Metroidvania

There is no such thing as "metroidvania".
Personally I call it a backtracking 2d sidescroller.

Search castlevania in that website, they are all the same length or shorter.

>doesn't pad the gameplay with recycled environments
I'm thinking that's BASED

okay fanboy retard
What is it with people on /veddit/ trying to pit consolewars faggotry on the Metroidvania scene?

If a Metroidvania isn't short then that means its poorly designed.

Hollow knight split the metroidvania fanbase, half think it’s pure shit and half think it’s the best game in the genre yet.

what's fanboy of what I said?
Those are facts. Ori is an extremely polished game with heavy platforming focus and beautiful OST and visuals.
Hollow knight -
>only 1 attack button and only few worthless skills, so combat basically boils down to attack button-dodge-attack button sequence for the whole game
>pandering to DS niggers so story is non-existent and lore is extremely obscure, so you basically have no goal or motivation the whole game
>what makes it even worse is boring as fuck world
>this all adds up to unnecessary backtracking, making exploring world dull as piss in metroidvania game
>platforming is non-existant especially considering it's a 2D game
>you encounter a lot of bosses, again like in DS, but they are incredibly easy
>ugly uninspired flash-like artstyle and level design which basically consists of color-swapped skulls and bugs

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>metroidvania
>doesn't have the loot and rpg mechanics that seperates Castlevania from Metroid
>is just a lame metroid game with zero vania in it
Yeah, its trash. Same with Hollow Knight. Only good indie Metroidvania is Valdis Story.

>>only 1 attack button and only few worthless skills, so combat basically boils down to attack button-dodge-attack button sequence for the whole game
This somehow got Sekiro GOTY

are you seriously comparing combat of fucking Sekiro to hollow knight?

Utterly based.

No? It was an observation. Both have shit combat but both are praised.

It was just a dumb fucking observation you doublenigger, shut up

And thank god for that!

You're really hostile for no reason. You need some prozac or something?

kill yourself you dumb underage faggot

He probably likes Sekiro.

Dim the lights a little, user. I can't quite make out the projection.

Gee its almost as if combat isn't everything in a game
Fucking retard

>comparing a 3D action souls like to a 2D Metroidvania
How hard have soulsfags been seething over Sekino?

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kys

You can beat most Metroidvania games in under 3 hours.

>Say bad thing about one button action games
>Tard rage begins
Why are you mad? I thought they were difficult and required skill.
I accept your admission defeat.

Dandara is a metroidvania and you can beat it in like 3 hours going slowly

Valdis Story is janky but it's really fun and I have no idea why people don't talk about it more. Even the extremely shit and edgy main character and story starts to grow on you after a while.

Timespinner was fun to 100% as well, though I am very good at ignoring plot and characters so I can’t exactly recommend it.

kys

I think it's a good addition. It's not the best. It's certainly not garbage. There is just no reason it's only got the two extremes.

Souls games are just 3d Metroidvania's, brah

Ori is a platformer. HK can be finished under 5 hours very easily and is a good metroidvania. You have no argument. Fuck off.

the absolute state of so BTFO'd that he's still posting in rage
everyone point at and laugh

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>>metroidvania
>>doesn't have the loot and rpg mechanics that seperates Castlevania from Metroid
>>is just a lame metroid game with zero vania in it
Fuck off Liam, everyone knows what people mean by Metroidvania except you, what both games have in common instead of every feature of both games combined.

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Good. I need time to work out at the gym

You realize that Ori's combat is dogshit right? It's the biggest flaw of the game that the sequel is promising to fix.
"Only one attack button" ignores the fact that in HK you can attack in four directions, which matters a ton. Pogoing is important in a ton of fights. And a game can have simple attacks but still have good combat, just look at how much Furi does with such a limited moveset. The actual content is what matters at the end of the day.

That is a retarded made-up definition, fucking nobody argues that a Metroidvania has to have "loot" or RPG mechanics.

And if anything HK is better for not having RPG grind bullshit, it's the biggest flaw of Igavanias.

Metroidvania is just a game where you have a sprawling map full of secrets and abilities and items to gain to back track and take new routes until you reach the end of the game.
Which makes Souls games Metroidvania's because you do just that. Walkaround in a huge map, find items and gain new things to backtrack and open new areas until you reach the end of the game.

Stop making DMC fans look bad.

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>That is a retarded made-up definition
Yes, the term "Metroidvania" is retarded.

I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. You moved the goalposts so far they felt off the cliff.

I like Ori more, but HK is definetely longer than 20 hours. And even though I despise most of the bossfight, it has consistently good content al throughout. it's an insane feat.

>dumb retard makes a dumb retarded remark
>can't let it go because he's a dumb retard embarassing himself further and further
kill yourself you dumb retarded nigger

>That is a retarded made-up definition, fucking nobody argues that a Metroidvania has to have "loot" or RPG mechanics.
And that's a bad thing. The vania part of the name is completely superfluous and the RPG mechanics are what make Castlevania more interesting than Metroid. It's a shit term. Why add -vania to something if there is no Castlevania influence whatsoever? Just call it a metroid game.

Zero mission was made for the GBA

I like both :)

It's really just a platformer. It's also one of my favorite games I've ever played.
Longer doesn't mean better.

I started the hollow knight 2 times over the years and two times I dropped it around 3 hours in.
Not because it was hard, but because it was mind-bogglingly boring to play

>veddit hates it because it's anime

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I don't see the issue, a good game is a good game. If it was made for the snes and just as long it'd be just as good.

What a bunch of fucking retards

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OP only said "metroidvania" not "metroidvania except for ones I claim don't count."

>htlb
>reliable

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Hltb is reliable for me to within 10-20% pretty much every time.

Ori
>floaty as fuck
>combat is just one button
>easy
>death has no penalty
>secrets consist of a walk though wall and a power up
>style over substance
>cringe story
>6 hours long
>made by a big team of sjw trannies

Hollow Knight
>versatile combat
>exploration
>deep lore
>can control you character pixel perfect
>awesome boss fights that pose a challenge
>secrets are awesome, one secret is a whole fucking level
>can spend over 30 hours for one of the wrong endings
>made by two cunts and a music faggot

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Both
>garbage

Wrong, souls games don't have abilities that allow you to access areas and also change up the gameplay. All it has are weapons with different abilities that don't do anything to let you access different areas.
Meanwhile Ori and Hollow Knight follow the exact definition of Metroidvania by having you collect various abilities such as double jumping, dashing, etc to access areas you couldn't have access before.
Soulsfags prove once again they are as delusional as ever even after Sekiro won its GOTY award.

Not even making them look bad dude, I just like their reaction images

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Hollow Knight
>only one type of attack
>endless backtracking
>absolutely no lore
>inertia prevent precise control
>easy bosses that are fought similarly
>secrets are literally caterpillars in a jar
>can spend over 30 hours on backtracking
>only made possible thanks to kickstarter

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I'm not even him but you're seething so hard it doesn't even matter.
Keep being assblasted brainlet

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bug game for bugmen

>Hollow Knight
>>versatile combat
Are you sure we played the same game?

ori is a platformer with backtracking, not a metroidvania