Why did the game go downhill so fast after he was dealt with?

Why did the game go downhill so fast after he was dealt with?

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because it didn't have rise

Haru and the gardening should have been introduced earlier so you could add what she grew to curry to boost the curry

Because they went all out on the first two hours so people wouldn't refund it on Steam.

im 70 hours in

who the fuck is haru?

Man persona 5 was so good for like five hours and then its just misery for 95 hours

Forehead girl and worst waifu of the series. You could land a helicopter on that thing.

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Because all other villians were weaker. School rape is really serious issue and in the beginning you have an impression Ann is also fucking\sucking him.
All other stories are nothing as serious or personal. Lol the artist using his pupil's work, so evil.

i wouldn't say it's misery but it certainly has gotten noticably worse, there have been some nice spikes in quality like futaba's palace or any scene involving yusuke but then there's also stuff like mementos where it feels like a different took over and had a weeks deadline to work with.

I had fun with the museum and some other palaces, but it felt like a little let down after the first one. I really kept playing cause the game has a lot of style, I enjoyed the sim as a nip high schooler, and loved to see my smt in 3d. Stoped after fighting Takeshi or whatever cause I spent 80 hours playing already and was already getting tired of the game, since the dialogue dragged a lot when they over explained things. After that fight I had a power black out before saving, so never saw the ending

The game peaks with the new arc

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Because you have bad taste, Kamoshida was too simple

>Uses a theme that could make a whole game in one new arc
What did Atlus mean by this

Don't know, but the writting in this game is a calamity. I'm glad that it still was a huge success among the casuals/people with no taste, but I hope that ATLUS will seriously step up its game in a future persona 6. "kids mind rape bad people but its okay" is stupid as fuck, and none of the characters manage to be as interesting as P3/P4 casts

>worst waifu of the series
Makoto's in this game, dude.

>kids mind rape bad people but its okay"
t. retard that forgot half of the game

This arc made Joker extra retarded for some reason.
>That’s Mr. Kamoshida.
>”Who?”
>Huh? It was that guy you just saw.
>(two minutes later)
>Hey! Is that Kamoshida?!
>”Kamoshida?”
>flashbacks to the time you saw kamoshida in the car 5 minutes ago
>joker says he’s in a castle like three fucking times
There’s no arc in the game that’s this hamfisted.

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>but its okay
The own PT admits that it's not okay and that's why they stop when the whole deal with Yaldy is dealt with

are ya coding son?

>and none of the characters manage to be as interesting as P3/P4 casts
You're fucking retarded. Please tell me what’s interesting about Fuuka, Koromaru, Ken, Yukiko, Chie, Teddie, Rise, Nanako, etc. They’re literally nothing characters. I’m not saying P5 is any better but you’re delusional for thinking the other games are any better.

>P4 cast
>interesting
lmao

Because he was the only villain who interacted with the cast in any meaningful way throughout the game and his palace had like 3 district areas with setpieces placed periodically throughout.

Every other villain barely knew the cast and palaces were one note slogs.

Takuto more like Takino

That’s why Takuto is fucking based. He talks to every single one of the PTs and counsels them.

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Joker does come off as extremely retarded or autistic in the game. He just parrots back what they say.

>game gives you 3 options
>1 is "i agree with makoto"
>2 is "i'm not sure but i guess we have no other choice..."
>3 is "i disagree with makoto"
>picking 3 gets you scolded then the game moves on to do what would have happened if you picked 1 or 2

what is the point of this?

You should have agreed with makoto.

Different dialogue ya faggot
Just like in Dragon Quest 11 when you marry the whores and you say no to them, they'll just say something else but the cutscenes still play out the same.

Morgana

> kids mindrape people with such a warped internal perception of the world that the manifestation of their mind is a dystopian nightmare catered to their whims
> BUT WHY IS MINDRAPING PEOPLE OKAY?
Because if they're normal fucking human beings without some kind of complex, they don't have a shadow for the phantom theives to affect.
Have you played the fucking game?

>Forehead girl
You say that like it's a bad thing. Foreheads are one of the cutest places to kiss on a girl.

Four people involved in one douche.
Madarame was a slowly unveiled gigantic scumbag but he was never personally involved in stalking your school life.
And after Madarame, the ‘delusion warping’ near the treasure core was lost. Kaneshiro had the potential to affect our school but it’s too subtle.
Futaba was good as an explanation of a puzzle not directly tied to the creeping threat.
Okumura’s just goes on too goddamn long.
Nijima’s cool and flashy, but too late in the game.
And Shido’s so bland, the twist of the fourth guy is remembering you have acrobatics to use.
The Holy Grail’s at least thematically relevant.

And the boss fights aren’t compelling like Kamoshida, with phases, different goals to peel off to make him simpler. Every other boss is a dps check. Most people don’t even know Madarame has a phase where you can send someone to use black paint on him, he’s too fucking simple.

Basically, the worlds aren’t using the warped palaces idea as properly, and we have little reason to care about Kaneshiro or Okumura like the others.

formerly chucks

despite only going after total assholes with warped minds, the phantom thieves still struggle with the morality of going into heads and fucking around with them.

how can you pretend like a major plot beat is just glossed over?

Because you're a retard who thinks every problem needs to have personal stakes even though the message of the game is explicitly about helping others even when you have little personal involvement because it's the right thing to do.

They wanted a villain of the week format

>it sucks but I'm glad it was a success
based retard, they're going to keep making then the same quality because they think that's what people want

She appears in the 80 hours mark.

Because it lessens focus on sub-arcs about the new party member and abuser more and more with each arc and starts emphasizing the overarching Conspiracy shit more and more.
Kamoshida
>tons of exploration on both how he hurts the students around him but also how those same students and the school actively ignore his abuse.
>Ann and Ryuji both represent two groups that he abuses and embody the psychological impact of his actions, as well as how people in those types of positions can overcome their trauma
>Arc resolves with Kamoshida being forced to confront the gravity of his actions and character by the abused, leading logically into his rehabilitation where he voluntarily gives up his Treasure
Great arc, complete character development for two party members and the villain with a satisfying and thematically logical ending.
Now let's take a look at Madarame
>A fair bit of exploration into how his stealing of other artists' works enables him to discredit the accusations of theft by said artists
>Also a fair bit of observation into how he keeps the abused compliant while they're his students, primarily in Yusuke
>Exploration into how Yusuke's actually affected psychologically by Madarame's abuse and gaslighting (museum scenes with Ann and Yusuke plus when the collection of paintings is found).
>Yusuke overcomes his stockholm syndrome and resolves to beat Madarame
>Madarame's arc does not finish with Madarame being forced to realize the impact and trauma he's done to others; just sort of ends with him getting beaten up
So it's good but doesn't quite stick the landing as well as Kamoshida's arc does
And shit just gets worse from there on out

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>Two weeks from release
>Already drowned out by AC and FFVIIRE
>the only coverage it's gotten has been from "muh outrage/cancel/sjw/incel/censorship culture" tards
Does SEGA really think this was going to end well for them>

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>P4
HAHAHAHAHA

That game is complete trash in every level of design.

Because he was the best character of the whole game. And now he is gone.

It WILL sell well. Because it’s the first Persona game to be in Spanish, French, German, and Italian.

>Most people don’t even know Madarame has a phase where you can send someone to use black paint on him, he’s too fucking simple.
The fuck?

Madarame is literally the hardest boss in the game. I was stuck for hours against him, I couldn't even live long enough to get to the black paint option. Once I got it, I [barely] won.

I just ""killed"" him, all this time I was forcing myself to play it.
So you say that it will be only worse onwards?

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Did you pick those countries on purpose?

How can you be this fucking retarded?

The conflict wasn't personal until the end. Seriously. Kamoshida directly effected three of the four characters you had with the illusion of effecting Morgana (finding him there and all). After that it was helping out others for the good of the people.

He was literally one of the only two bosses that gave me trouble.

The other one was hamburguer guy.

I played on hard, was Mercyless difficulty meant to be played on New Game + or not? I felt like the game could and should have been harder but I was too scared of the Mercyless title to try it out.

it's not a generalisable question of "is brainwashing good/bad" because the phantom theives chose specific targets who were explicitly doing bad things like child rape

when you say that the pt brainwashing kamoshida can't be justified (or needs to be justified prior to doing so) you're implicitly justifying a perspective that would allow kamoshida to continue to rape school girls with virtually no chance of anything ever being done to stop him.

>they don't know
Enjoy shitting out blood

And yet, the story is still weaker for it. It's almost as though the execution is more important than the message.

What are you fucking retarded?

>Sure they're evil and have warped perceptions but does that justify brainwashing?
Yes.

teenagers are children

are not*
fuck me