Just finished Bloodborne, Can we talk about the game?
I think I may have fucked up - After killing Margos wet nurse I went back to the Hunters Dream where Gerhamn gave me the choice to either kill me or refuse his offer.
I didn't think it would actually fucking end the game, what the fuck
You fool
OP missed out on the real final boss. I hope you got through the DLC.
nope
I assumed it would be like DS3 were you'd just go back to Firelink Shrine post the final boss
I feel fucking dumb and it doesn't help I still have basically no clue what the fuck was even going on
Imagine, IMAGINE Gehrman telling you that he'll free you from the dream and that you'll wake up from the night, and thinking it's not the end of the game. What the fuck OP?
Unironically letting Gehrman kill you is the best ending.
It a the only way to wake up from the nightmare. Any other path takes you further in, and may even cost you your humanity.
>not the ending where you free Gehrman from his hell and ascend yourself and humanity into a higher plane of existence
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>Unironically letting Gehrman kill you is the best ending
Everything's subjective. You're free to remain in Yharnam like Eileen and Djura or to fuck off, even though it's never explained why you come to Yharnam in the first place or how you knew about Paleblood in the first place. But the cycle continues, and the Hunt will go on until Yharnam becomes Loran 2.0
>It a the only way to wake up from the nightmare.
Childhood's Beginning has you waking up too, in a different manner.
>Any other path takes you further in, and may even cost you your humanity
But in Bloodborne's universe becoming a Great One is great and the final step of our somewhat forced evolution. Sure you could leave Yharnam and try and live a normal life far away pretending nothing happened, but would you be able to live with all that insight into how things really work?
You got the best ending in the sense that the cutscene is the perfect way to end the game for the first time.
is there significant content with the other endings or do they all occur when you speak to Gerhamn?
You didn't understood how the ingame universe works, I can tell.
>is there significant content with the other endings
Yes
>do they all occur when you speak to Gerhamn?
That too
There's two endings, and a true ending that you only get after doing some very criptic stuff you problably wouldn't achieve withouth a guide or some friend going "Dude, just go this place and do this, trust me".
Also, quit worrying about the endings. If you don't explore the story/DLC, you won't even really get what they mean.
Why do you want me to spoil the game for you?
Play the game again, this time take your time and read item descriptions.
Unironically this imagine not understanding at that point that the game will end
>Unironically letting Gehrman kill you is the best ending.
Do I get to free Gehrman and kill the conciever of the Dream, then become a god? Thought not.
All endings have the same outcome. The only difference is where you sit for each outcome.
>All endings have the same outcome
Wrong.
>Can we talk about the game?
No
I bet you thought this was clever, but you're very wrong.
>a true ending that you only get after doing some very criptic stuff
But that's wrong, I got it on my first playthrough
>Ending 1
Dream/nightmare continue except you're awake
>Ending 2
Dream/nightmare continue except you're a puppet
>Ending 3
Dream/nightmare continue except you're the puppeteer
>gave the choice to kill you
>didn't think it end's the game
are you a literal retard?
Good for you. Nobody gives a shit about your gameplay.
Don't say retarded things and you won't get called out for it
>Dream/nightmare continue except you're the puppeteer
Here's where you got it wrong. Read more hats
Kek, I thought DS3 was like Bloodborne so I in DS3 I beat the boss to an inch of his health and let him kill me so I could do DLC if it ever came out (it did)
How is the true end cryptic? The requirement is that three umbilical cords be used, nothing more.
Not only did you miss out on the final boss, you missed out on the final final boss.
That being said its good you got the Awaken ending when you did, now you know. Devour the three umbilical cords before you talk to Gherman next time.
Do you have any particular questions or hangups on what's happening? What is throwing you for the biggest loop?
>ywn be reborn as an all-knowing, hyperinteligent slug
why live
>Dream/nightmare continue except you're the puppeteer
But that's fucking wrong you retard
Tbf you die all the time in those games. He probably thought it would unlock the super bonus Japan only level.
I looked it up while he awaited my answer back in 2014 because I was scared of fucking up the decision.
Blind dark souls runs with fucking up the NPC quests kind of traumatized me
You forgot the best part - your new mommy.
It's literally right here.
Prove me wrong. Protip: you can't.
You can pretty easily end up only getting 2 in a playthrough and losing the opportunity to acquire the others.
And you presumably grow into an unfathomable monstrosity over time
Isn't Ebrietas a great one? But she was literally a science experiment for the Choir.
This, fuck gehrman and and fuck Yharnam Im outtie
What implies you, a todler Great One, will take on the Moon Presence's role? For what purpose? Did Oedon orchestrate the dream? Did Kos? No, fuck off.
Is that... the same building as the hunters dream but irl?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM GAINING INSIGHT HELP ME LEVELING-UP SEX DOLL
>Ending 1
You didn't save Gehrman, you didn't kill the MP, you do not ensure the Red Moon won't descend again for some reason and wreck havoc again. You save Yharnam, for now.
>Ending 2
You save Gehrman, but you basically take his spot. Red Moon can always descend again in the future, Yharnam's future is uncertain.
>Ending 3
You save Gehrman, you save Yharnam indefinitely from the Red Moon (the catalyst of the scourge) because you killed the MP, and you become a god where others before you failed.
But when you wake up you forget everything. Remember the host of the nightmare of Mensis? That fuckwad says it and so does Gherman.
They give you an extra one. There's actually FOUR umbilical cord thirds in the game.
Ebby is indeed a great one. An "Abandoned" Great One the church found.
But the Celestial Emmisary and Rom are also viewed as Great Ones and those were originally humans. Great One is a very broad term.
>not becoming a great one
No you wanted to be a squid guy all along, wake up ending is you pussying out.
Don't call people retards when you didn't even play the game and have no understanding of what happened.
No biggie. Just start another run.
I thought she was moreso summoned by the choir, not like they have any control over her
>Celetial Emissary unironically easiest boss in the game
>Rom the VACUOUS spider, it literally says in its name that Rom is a retard
why are human great ones so cringe and bluepilled
That's how I understood it anyways.
>They give you an extra one. There's actually FOUR umbilical cord thirds in the game.
That's why I said the others, plural. The ones in Mergo's dream and the old workshop aren't missable, Arianna and Iosefka's ones are.
>Isn't Ebrietas a great one?
I don't think she is. afaik she's only ever referenced as a Great One in the trophy listing, which we don't really know who wrote them. Those same trophies refer to the Celestial Emissaries as Great Ones ffs. She's what would be called a "Kin of the Cosmos"., that's why she was abandoned in the Chalice Dungeons until the Healing Church found her. She's a bottom bitch.
So you have no argument, okay. Fuck off.
It seems like a combination of blood and insight is the true path towards strength.
>fuck off
Don't try and argue with me if you can't prove me wrong.
Yeah but you have to actively try to fuck those up. As long as you dont kill Iosefka before killing Rom you're golden.
She is definitely a Great One. Choir garb backs this up.
But Eileen remembers the Doll, so we know you *might* remember some things here and there.
Wasn't the field of flowers a clue that Gerhman was the final boss?
For how overthought this is, it seems simplistic and dismissive
The Hunter's Nightmare isn't connected to the Moon Presence. It was created by Kos or her child after the hunters discovered the fishing hamlet.
You fucking idiot, play through the game again
So you have no argument, okay. Fuck off.
Do we know what the Choir description is in Japanese?
>Yeah but you have to actively try to fuck those up. As long as you dont kill Iosefka before killing Rom you're golden.
Or there's the church bitch who'll kill Arianna if you don't do anything about it. There's very little to warn you of these things so I didn't get either of those in my first playthrough.
I also completely missed the upper cathedral ward since I never noticed the door having opened after killing BSB since there's no indication of that either.
Eileen and Djura both remember the Hunter's Dream though.
> It was created by Kos or her child after the hunters discovered the fishing hamlet.
I still think the "sin" that was performed upon Kos was cutting out the umbilical cord that connected her and her child, and using that to beckon the Moon Presence. Otherwise where the fuck did that cord in the Hunter's Workshop come from, and where is the umbilical cord from beating Orphan?
Ebrietas is a Great One that was left behind by her kin because she failed to ascend for some reason, hence why she is referred to as a "left behind Great One". As for the Celestial Emissaries, they're basically antennas that allowed the Choir to commune with the Great Ones (hence their name).
Oh shit, repetition is a sign of retardation. I'll just leave you be.
Yeah but even if Arianna dies (and you have to ACTIVELY be fucking around to get church girl to kill her) you have the Iosefka cord. It sounds like you really missed some stuff but thats part of the fun and danger of playing blind.
>the church bitch who'll kill Arianna if you don't do anything about it
Only if you accept Arianna's blood more than 3 times
>the spoiler
There actually is, sort of. A message will appear in the Hunter's Dream saying "Ascend to Oedon Chapel". In Japanese it simply says "Ascend Oedon Chapel", without the "the", because it's telling you to go up the elevator. They kinda fucked that one up.
Still no argument then. Thanks for fucking off.
>The Hunter's Nightmare isn't connected to the Moon Presence
True, that was conceived by Kos, as a purgatory for the original sinners of the Hamlet massacre (Maria and Laurence) and the descendants of the first hunters (Ludwig and the old hunters we see in the beginning of the DLC).
>Do we know what the Choir description is in Japanese?
No, but does that matter for this? Ebby is a Great One. This is confirmed by the game itself. If she isn't, you need to prove it.
>Yeah but even if Arianna dies (and you have to ACTIVELY be fucking around to get church girl to kill her) you have the Iosefka cord.
Unless you killed Iosefka before killing Rom, yes. Which you don't have any reason not to do on a first playthrough because you have no reason to think she'll become elder-pregnant and give you a key item for an ending if you come back later.
>As for the Celestial Emissaries, they're basically antennas that allowed the Choir to commune with the Great Ones
Yet they're referred to as Great Ones in the Trophy List.
>No, but does that matter for this?
Bloodborne has a lot of weirdly translated things that either lose meaning or are interpreted completely different from what the Japanese meant
>Ebby is a Great One. This is confirmed by the game itself.
Where?
That makes sense. Orphan's prayer to its mother prompted Kos to create the nightmare, unless I am misremembering things, that is.
She warns you to fuck off if you enter her room
Not him but isn't that message just left there after Gerhman first tells you to go up there to the Healing Church Workshop and find the radiant badge?
Yea I was always under the assumption the only true Great Ones we see in the game are Ebrietas, the Moon Pressence, and of course the slug ending infant Great One. However I cant remember if Mergo was one or not.
But, the Hunter's Dream was conceived by the Moon Presence.
>The Third Umbilical Cord precipitated the encounter with the pale moon, which beckoned the hunters and conceived the Hunter's Dream
The Hunter's Dream and The Hunter's Nightmare are two different places.
Ebrietas is not a true Great One, she was ascended to becoming Kin just as Willem did.
>still no ps4 pro patch for 60 fps
Why does Sony hate free money?
Hunter's Dream ≠ Hunter's Nightmare
She's a Great One. By that logic, at the end of the game you are also not a Great One.
>a true Great One
Pretty sure there isn't anything differentiating "true" or "untrue" Great Ones in the text. Kin seems like more of a sub-classification, but they're all broadly referred to as Great Ones.
Mergo is a Great One, but not the Wet Nurse that guards him. That thing is probably just some sort of guardian apparition conjured up by the Nightmare. The nature of "Nightmares" and "Dreams" in Bloodborne is that they are parallel, distorted realities of the Waking World, where humanity resides.
Yeah, that's what I was conveying.
Except the Hunter's dream is a nightmare.
You're a fucking retard
>Mergo is a Great One, but not the Wet Nurse that guards him.
Incorrect. The trophy list calls her a Great One. And while you could say "that doesn't count", I would need to see evidence in the game pointing out that she ISNT a Great One to agree with you.
It is a nightmare but it is not the Hunter's Nightmare. Please learn English before posting.
>Not becoming one of the only remaining Great Ones and tentacle fucking people
dumbass
Would you consider Rom a Great One?
Again, the fucking trophies point to the Celestial Emissaries being Great Ones, and every single From game has the english translation taking liberties.
When you kill the apparition, there's a long interval before the "NIGHTMARE SLAIN" text appears. During this interval, Mergo is heard crying and wailing. The moment he goes quiet, then the "NIGHTMARE SLAIN" text appears.
>Again, the fucking trophies point to the Celestial Emissaries being Great Ones, and every single From game has the english translation taking liberties.
Okay, just saying that I trust what the game is telling me more than what some random dipshit on Yas Forums says.
If she isn't a Great One, prove it. By the way, Rom is a Great One too.
Yes, and? The same thing happens with Orphan of Kos. When you kill him, you get Prey Slaughtered. Nightmare Slain comes from destroying that black remnant.
Orphan of Kos is still obviously a Great One.
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>I trust what the game is telling me
But you're not, because you're trusting an english translation not made by Miyazaki with definitons changed
>By the way, Rom is a Great One too.
Oh, so you ARE mentally challenged. Enjoy this last (You), replay the game one of these days.
You are fucking retarded dude, Rom is absolutely a Great One.
Mergo is the invisible crying baby, most probably Queen Yarhnam's child who was fathered by Oedeon "The Formless" Great One. Once you kill Mergo's wet nurse, the child dies.
The trophies read the same in the japanese script and nothing in any part of the script provides any reason to believe that Rom and the other kin-type bosses should not be considered Great Ones.
>Orphan of Kos
"Orphan of Kos" is nothing, the real Orphan died long ago
Are you the same guy who said that Rom wasn't a Great One? Are you just going full retard and having a spaz attack since people didn't buy your nonsense?
Rom isn't a great one. Rom is a Kin.