Why was THIS scene considered as Arthas's step to the path of darkness? He really had no other choice...

He's a paladin, he lost his faith in the light because of the culling, it's really not that hard to understand if you played the game.

Pretty much. That was the scummy thing he did. Burned down the ships to prevent his army from escaping as well.

>You will be surprised, but killing people doesn't stop necromancers from raising them
This. Any other point is just moot

If it were Warhammer their actions would be misguided zealous superstition that would fail to stop it, they'd all get the plague too and it'd probably just be a distraction by skaven while they got up to something even worse.

Would Frostmourne be Chaos affliated or Vampire Counts?

Incel:If this were Warhammer

Because slaughtering innocent people you were sworn to protect, regardless of the shitty fate that likely awaits them, should be something that would tear any good leader apart rather than just jumping to "Whelp, gotta do what you gotta do." Also he saw a group of villagers eating the infected grain and immediately jumped to "kill everyone in the city." Even if it was likely true that most residents would have eaten the grain and been infected, making zero effort to try to save anyone who didn't eat it and get plagued is pretty shitty.

But yes, time was short, and it was a very rough position to be in. But the immediacy with which he jumps to purging the entire city ends up continuing him down his path.
>Look, those citizens ate the plagued grain.
>"This entire city must be purged."
>We're recalling all the troops from Northrend.
>"All the boats must be burned."
>Why are all the boats burned and why are you with a bunch of trolls?
>"These trolls did it. They must all be killed."
>Arthas this sword is cursed, let's not mess with it.
>"I need the sword to win."

Stratholme is easily the most debatable of those, where you can see where Arthas is coming from, but it's always an issue how quickly he jumps to the most violent and immediate solution to achieve his goals.

mabye if jaina wasn't such a fucking bitch he wouldn't have fallen.

not going to lie user that sounds like some heresy bullshit your saying

They weren't dead yet, if you actually played the mission you'd know he slaughtered innocent civilians as well before they can turn.
Even the ingame mechanics lets you kill innocent civilians before they turn and aggro on you.

It seems to me the plague can only turn those that are still alive. Corpses raised by necromances are considerably harder to maintain. Ghouls last forever until killed, summoned skeletal warriors are on a timer.

They're inevitably still going to turn anyway. In that sense, yes, they were already dead.

I guess Nagash is roughly similar to Ner'zhul right?

He could've asked Uther and Jaina for advice.
Maybe there was another solution after all.

Brah, they're Zombie infected. They're dead already and waiting to turn against their own. Killing them is the most humane option than watching them and then trying to kill them when they have the chance to harm others.

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>arthas: we gotta purge this place!
>uther: arthas you're nuts! im outta here!
>[malginis intensifies]
>malginis: mwahaha your fellow humans didn't see me plan this whole thing arthas! now let's duel for the "lives" of the citizens! i bet you i can turn them faster than you can kill them!
>arthas: damn you malginis fight me!
>malginis: its nothing personnel kid, come to northrend if you dare! *teleports away*
>arthas: damn you!
>[uther intensifies]
>uther: arthas you fuckhead! what the FUCK did you do!
i love this game

yeah keep blaming women for all your problems incel

>setting with a variety of healing and anti-magic abilities
>he himself is a powerful healer
>the only way to stop this plague is to hit them all with my big hammer >:)
Brain damage from exposure to undead plague clouds, never had a chance.

Maybe if his entire support structure didn't decide to turn their back on him over the completely justifiable stratholme incident, he never would have spiraled downward like he did. Is it any surprise he got worse and worse when he had demons actively manipulating him? Muradin was the only friend he had left, and Muradin was as dumb and hard headed as arthas

>beloved mentor rejects him
>trusted friend abandons him
>"durr why is this considered the moment arthas starts turning evil?"

Come on dude, use your big boy brain.

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In a way, Vampire Lord Arthas would work better if he were in Warhammer than a Chaos Champion.

>implying any game has ever bothered to follow through on the world consequences of easy healing magic
MAYBE Arcanum, but even that is stretching it.

Even if Uther couldn't stomach the purging, the fact he just abandoned Arthas and ended up doing fucking nothing is deplorable. He acts as if Arthas wants to do the purge and isn't just picking the least worst option.

If the WoW lore is to be taken seriously, the undead plague is nigh impossible to cure with their magics.

Sometimes you don't have a choice on which path you take.

killing his own people made him fall into madness.
but he had no choice, that's why the campaign story was nice.

This. Uther was a little bitch who got his feelings hurt and Jaina got pissy for no reason.
Uther is a paladin who's entire job and life revolves around protecting and saving people. He should of stuck around and tried to keep the innocent people safe, he might not of liked the purging but he could of still saved lives of non-infected.

I like how Arthastards always act like Uther up and abandoned him when in reality he left because Arthas revoked his command and suspended him and his paladins from service.

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If saving lives and doing what was right meant ANYTHING to Uther then he would of said fuck that command and stuck around to help. Arthas wouldn't of been able to enforce the supension when he put higher prioity on the purge.
Instead Uther runs away crying like a baby over it.

I mean the canon idea was to burn the houses/corpses, not just to stab people

>saving lives
That's LITERALLY the exact opposite of what Arthas was doing at Stratholme.
And you may have forgotten, or perhaps it went over your head considering you're dumb enough to support the guy who single-handedly handed Lordaeron to the Scourge on a silver platter, but Uther left to appeal to the king to get him to stop Arthas.

I'm guessing this was his first major step outside of an objective paladin morality and into his own personal morality.

>If this were Warhammer, they'd be going "whose house first?"

Ah yes, the setting where there are no good guys, only assholes.

>Muh king, pls stop bad boi Arthas from killing civilians
>meanwhile: Arthas killing all the civilians
Hehheheheh

Arthas did everything wrong and no amount of memes will ever change that.

>That's LITERALLY the exact opposite of what Arthas was doing at Stratholme.
Are you dumb? He's saving his entire Kingdom by doing that.

Except for the part where he did exactly as the Necromancers wanted and he ultimately turned the whole kingdom into an undead hellscape.

He should have stuck to his paladin code instead of falling for the utilitarianism meme.

The Undead would have won if he hadn't purged.

This. Lordaeron falling was pretty much inevitable.

>it's too late, everyone's got the plague, we gotta kill them
>that's dumb we're not doing that
>okay well before we all make up our minds let's go inside the city limits and see the undead for ourselves
>gosh arthas you were right these people are fucked lets kill them

Canonically how many times did Arthas piss on his father's ashes exactly?

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Not like his father did anything of value beside sitting on a throne.

no, it's the part where everyone drop him too fast
the point of no return is when he tricks his own mercenaries to burn his boats

Because he bitched out of his paladin duties by killing innocents before they turned into zombies instead of waiting for them to turn and disposing of the monsters like a real god damn paladin.
>Warhammer
Warhammer is a goddamned hellhole where even THINKING about a big-tittied dick-girl will summon a portal to spiky dick fuck land.

Yes, wc3 has really dumb moments. But it was a "faith vs pragmatism" moment.
Even if Uther saw that the city was infected and people turning into zombies, he would choose to stay faithful to the light and its prinicples, believing that ultimately, the light would won or help them with a deus ex moment maybe.

>grrr why wont my friends help me do something irredeemable they're not my real friends this ghost of a bad guy i killed is my dad now

Arthas was right about Stratholme though. Everyone was literally infected and the city would've turned sooner or later into an undead stronghold. No, that was not his actual 1st step into becoming the bad guy. His actual 1st was betraying the mercs he hired, the 2nd was picking Frostmourne and the 3rd one was him, finally becoming the undead douche and killing his father, which quickly resulted in causing utter chaos in Lordaeron and making the kingdom easy prey for the Undead Scourge.

>big-tittied dick-girl will summon a portal to spiky dick fuck land.
Slaneesh or what was it called?

Bullshit, they won because it was.

You didn't even play the mission : if he doesn't purge it leads to a complete undead victory.

Uther: Glad I could make it, Arthas.

Arthas: I watch my tone with you, old man. I may be the prince, but you're still my superior as a paladin.

Uther: As if you could forget. Yes Arthas, there's something about the plague I should know. ...Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they turn into the Undead!

Arthas: What?!

Uther: This entire city must be purged.

Arthas: How can I even consider that? There's got to be some other way.

Uther: Damn it, Arthas! As my future king, order me to purge this city!

Arthas: I am not your king yet, old man. Nor should you obey that command even if I were.

Uther: Then you must consider this an act of treason.

Arthas: Treason?! Have I lost my mind, Uther?

Uther: Have you? Prince Arthas, by right of succession and the sovereignty of your crown, you must hereby relieve me of my command, and suspend my paladins from service.

Jaina: Uther! He can't just--

Uther: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this land, follow him. The rest of you... get out of his sight.

Arthas: I've just crossed a terrible threshold, Uther.

Jaina: ...Arthas?

Arthas: I'm sorry, Jaina. You can't watch me do this.

It's not that arthas is wrong that the people had to be purged, it's that he acted like a huge prick about it. Going by the campaign itself it's not even clear if arthas ever explained to uther what the plague even is, as he's not there during the missions where him and jaina figure it out and this mission is "shortly after" uther saves the day.

When he received any kind of pushback against his desires instead of just explaining things he went full retard and told everyone to fuck off. In that moment arthas reveals his character as someone who cares more about getting his way than doing the right thing, that's why kel thuzad says with certainty that they would meet again, because he and/or the lich king had an understanding of arthas's true nature. That's why it's the start to his path of darkness.

Now thats not to be said that uther and jaina aren't in the wrong in that scene as well, that's why it's such a meme. It's a very nuanced scene in an otherwise very straight forward "fight the bad demons" story

Because usually speaking, a normal person doesn't jump in to murder innocent people straight ahead. Even if you know they're gonna turn into zombies, that shouldn't make it easier.

A real paladin would've tried to save them for as long as he could and killed them only when they died.

>if you don't do the mission objectives you lose
no shit

No. I mean the game literally mentions the consequences of not purging the city. I'm not talking about a "game over" screen.

>b-but it was game over if you didn't win

Because Arthas and the kingdom didn't fall and there was no story, faggot. Don't pull this "but in the game!" bullshit unless you concede that Strat only consisted of 12 houses and the number of mobs couldn't possibilty have threatened a kingdom.

Not really true, bloodletters don't burst out the ground in every war zone nor do you grow blue feathers every time you bluff at cards. It's more like the pedophile elites on little saint james are putting on such a show because wish they could be degenerate enough to earn slaanesh's attention.

>if you lose it's game over

gee really faggot

It could according to the game. Strat is the second biggest city and the kingdom was already weak. It's not hard to conceptualize that.

Even if Lordaeron falls, if Arthas doesn't become retarded Ner'zhul doesn't ever get free from his prison, the Legion doesn't get summoned, etc etc...

It's too bad WC3R reneged on its promise to update itself based on WoW because I really wanted to see the part where Arthas gets attacked by anti-time dragons

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