NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BE A GOOD PERSON!

>Get over it lol
That's exactly what they did, and that's why these games are no longer canon.

>noooo you can't just not believe my magical book!

>the main antagonist literally wants to kill God
>atheist
R E T A R D
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>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE SEX WITH VISAS

>he worships a half-naked man nailed to a cross
lmao

>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST PERFORM ""INDIGNITIES"" TO A BLIND OLD WOMAN

I've never known an RPG companion who isn't a pain in the ass actually

Don’t worry. V is going to hold Woolies hand through every single dialogue so we never see such conflict or original thought

>be bad instead
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BE A BAD PERSON!

Funny how choosing to help the beggar makes him happy until he gets rekt and robbed, and not helping the beggar makes him go so fucking mad he straight up fucking wrecks a dude trying to help him

Test

>don't put effort into writing
>THIS IS TERRIBLE
>put effort into writing
>THIS IS PRETENTIOUS, BIG WORDS LMAO

the state of simps

All she wants you to do is think about what you're doing beyond "giving money to the homeless makes me feel good" and or "being mean to the homeless makes my peepee hard"

The list is definitely much shorter in that category. You're lucky to get one companion in an RPG who isn't going to bring a lot of bullshit with them first before the two of you are square.
Typically you'd at best get the childhood friend. Maybe they'll get kidnapped, but that's about it, they're otherwise supportive.
Or the seasoned warrior who has his shit settled so he's just focused on helping you and staying in the background without ever causing trouble. He probably dies.
Or it's a sequel and your pal from the first game comes back and he's your best bro now.

Meanwhile, yes, everyone else who comes in usually hates or mistrusts the MC, being a pain in the ass until you deal with THEIR personal issues and carry their baggage through half the game.

what's with this r/atheism rhetoric? you have to be literally 13 to talk like this

thats why a real master acts like it was the other person's own idea to use you to help them

KOTOR1 is a braindead boring mishmash of plot elements taken from the lucas movies. Every character is bad, especially the two love interest characters.

Yeah, this is my power fantasy. Why would I keep someone around who doesn't either want to fuck me or die for me? I'm the literal messiah, I solve the problems of every person I meet. I don't need some whiny cunt second guessing me.

NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO EITHER BUT STILL HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE!!

And that's a good thing

that's what happens when you help a nigger

>STOP HAVING SEXUAL THOUGHTS ABOUT ME!

>DUDE MY JEW IS LIKE, HE FUCKING LOVES ME MAN! PRAISE THE JEW. MY ANCESTORS? WHO CARES! THE JEW IS MY SALVATION. LET ME BETRAY MY WHOLE CULTURE HAHA
only the most s oy males worship kikes and kike religion

Yas Forums is too retarded to understand something so basic

>not plowing the everloving fuck out of Brianna with the force bond on full blast just so she can have a taste of something she'll never get

But the long term consequences don't matter, so long as I am acting what I perceive to be altruistic I am responding to the light side of the force and growing in power. Yes this is in a way the same as the dark side where the ultimate goal is just attaining more power, but by having such an intense connection to the light side I act as a positive aura to the crew and ultimately uplift them and myself, whereas if I sought power with the dark side I would corrupt. Now suck my blue saber old hag.

so whichever you choose you're still in the wrong because you didn't think far ahead? then what should I do? murder the homeless so he can't get into a fight and neither can't hurt other people?

Big words = Good Writing
Wrong.

Big words = anything.

You sound stupid when you cry over word length.

She doesn't say either way is wrong. She is literally, *literally* only telling you to think about the consequences of your actions. Way to completely miss the point you fucking idiot.

Kreia is. Isn't the point supposed to be to reinforce the value of the Force?

>INDIGNITIES

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So she's a centrist? That's even worse.

She's just anti-force you weird retard

She's a Grey Jedi.

The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition. One example was Jolee Bindo, a former Jedi Padawan and a Gray Jedi that served the Old Republic.

Kreia is the most inconsistently written character in all of star wars

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(You)

Kreia was sith and is literally just a salty sith reject. I don't know why people don't get that she was always the baddie and not morally grey at all

>>bitches at you even if you don't help the beggar
Because there is no right answer, and you can't always win. Everything has consequences, and with the force your meddlings in the lives of others have huge consequences. It's not "how to be a good hero" it's showing the flaw of being a force user altering the fates of others at all.

>so whichever you choose you're still in the wrong
As opposed to always being able to be right and one-up your party members? Most of the options don't penalize you either. Only two of the five or so outcomes do. Three of them benefit your choice and one of those choices not only gains influence, but also gets your LS points. And if we're getting technical, negative influence is a good thing if you're going for that because influence goes both ways to unlock dialogue, so that can be a positive, too.

Kreia isn't a centrist, she's neutral-evil if you want to bring it to that axis. Part of the point of the game is that Jedi-Sith is too simple to characterize everything and other evils get lost in between and among them.

No she's not. She's anti Jedi and Sith, whatever the color. She's anti force. Her while schtick is that humanity cannot have true free will and potential if the force influences and meddles with every aspect of our lives.

Where is Padme

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Kreia is there to contradict the player at every turn.

She tells you to use your allies and other people for your own goals and to empower yourself. Then the moment you start doing exactly that she cries to you.

I don't get it. If you are SO tired of the force, why not just eat it?

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>Kreia is there to contradict the player at every turn.
No she isn't, you're just completely incapable of grasping simple context

>use your allies as tools
>okay I'll start by using you
>ah now you are learning
Sounds like you didn't play the game. There's dozens of flags where she commends you for using other people and saying you will use Visas and the Handmaiden to further your goals. You get a big hefty attribute bonus for breaking Hanharr's spirit from her, too. What she doesn't want you to do is be a murderhobo. Pull their strings, don't sever them forever.

What was his endgame?

youtube.com/watch?v=qAoQGn7fgp4

That's the thing, he didn't want an end whatsoever. He absorbed the life force of bazillions and created an empire to last an eternity because things that only wait to end are pointless in his eyes. And you had to go ahead and ruin it like a fucking fag.

>fails at being a jedi
>fails at being a sith
>well fuck the force anyway
le well-written face

>You get a big hefty attribute bonus for breaking Hanharr's spirit from her, too.

She's neutral about it, she flat out doesn't want you to do that if you actually chose not to take the bonus. So in that case she's quite literally wanting you to NOT take advantage of him

>save a guy
>NOOOOO HE HAS TO HELP HIMSELF
>kill a guy
>NOOOOO THINK OF THE ECHOES

Well yeah but in this case it's not because she wants you not to use him, it's because of the way this power might influence you.

Who do I pick?

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Read more philosophy

The point isn't the morality, the point is the Force.

I AM thinking about the consequences of my actions. I'm thinking "If I mash [do bad] enough times I can shoot lightning from my hands"

Literally cant go wrong here

Right, I think she makes Kreia madder.

just ignore the old hag i always did

And yet you dont even realize that this power controls you, since it forces you to keep mashing [do bad].

Visas probably gives godtier BJs
Handmaiden is for passionate missionary sex.

>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T INTERACT WITH THAT PERSON, LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO!!

Literally the most retarded post. Now find out why it is.

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That's the fault of the game with its visual novel dialogue selection. Instead of allowing me the freedom to do bad because I want to, instead of [do bad] because it's the one of two choices I'm limited to and is closest to what I want.

Kreia is against the force because it spells out people's fates for them and deprives them of choice and free will.

I solve other people's problems to grind exp, get awards and get whatever points I can get in the game I am playing to minmax something.
I don't give a fuck what happens to them after that.

>It is a more primal connection you feel. And the hunger you feel does not stem from Hanharr - it is something you may draw upon, his very life, if need be. He does not realize how deeply his life debt runs - but he will. When you suffer, call upon that hunger, and the beast shall be that upon which your will may draw strength. Reach out... feel his presence within the ship, clawing at you, pacing. Feel the rumbling of the hull, the metal around you like a cage... and the building anger, the blood that rises behind the eyes, a bloodlust that cannot be sated. If you accept it, you will find your strength increase, and your vitality return to you faster with every breath.
Granted, her dialogue if you reject it has you earning her respect (and influence) in spite of the lesson. But to say she doesn't want you to manipulate others is wrong. She respects both types of strengths. To manipulate others like her, and most importantly to the plot, having the strength to walk away from power. Much like a Jedi who lives on without the Force.

>No option to ever help people help themselves because the writers are hacks
>Every option is always "Solve every problem they have for free or murder their infant"
Shit game.

You can have pain in the ass companions that are also fine. DAO for example, most companions are a pain in the ass but they're all good characters that make sense.

>Solving people's problems not because you want to help, but to take their hardships for yourself and become stronger in their place
Congratulations you broke Kreia's philosophy

Which one is more fertile?

>Just try to keep this thing in mind that you have no way of knowing before it happens
It's just shit writing to make her seem wise.

She's literally a sith. The black dude in KOTOR 1 was a Grey Jedi, she's 100% evil but just hides it to manipulate you.

Except in that instance it has nothing to do with being a force user. Giving a penny to a homeless dude is a completely harmless act and she's just edgy for the sake of being edgy.

>philosophy

>You should think whatever some faggot who died centuries ago said you should think instead of thinking for yourself
No thanks

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why do bioware games have such shit companions?

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>Just try to keep this thing in mind that you have no way of knowing before it happens
Yeah, never mind the stuff she says on Telos before you can even get to Nar Shaddaa.

The lesson is to take a moment to consider the consequences of what you're about to do and make every choice your own.

[Something is bothering user]

Morrigan was a good character tho. In fact pretty much every DAO character was a good character.

Utterly wrong.
Her goal is ultimately selfless.

>Query: Is there someone you need killed, Master?

i see you are a gentleman and a scholar in the force!

also, brianna is best girl.

I wonder when fans of shit wars will realise the mediocre setting is the problem.

Visas is broken and only through the power of cock can she be saved

too bad she is not canon. waste of great writing.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Heavenly Host, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the money lenders, and I have over 300 confirmed conversions. I am trained in the good book and I'm the top son in the entire Kingdom of God. You are nothing to me but just another sinner. I will absolve you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of priests across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your disbelief. You're fucking raptured, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can convert you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed preaching, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Roman Catholic Church and I will use it to its full extent to bless your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will baptise holy water all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking saved, kiddo.

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the answer is why not both.

personally, i say brianna. visas's insane loyalty creeps me out a bit.

both are hot.

Briana first, then Visas. Then you get to charge up both their boarding ramps.

So you chose Darth Nihilus path.
Sucking everything you see in your way.

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Eat shit Kreia, I'm nice to people because of purely egoist reasons

>old bag starts boomering about everything
>tell her to shut up
>leaves and comes back as some Sith Lord
>kill her while she acts like she did me a service

Odd old lady.

>force choke becomes an option in any conversation

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Imagine being such a smoothbrain that Kreia's pseudointellectual ramblings seem 'deep' to you.

i see what you did here.

For me, it's the blind DSLs
youtube.com/watch?v=uZf61QyKjpk

Even Dog?

Force user sex is weird

Imagine being a forcecuck lol

>you stunted their growth
prove it retard

How can you call other people retards when you can't even reply to the right person

based

>when you can't even reply to the right person
prove it retard

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Just take a dark side hit every now and then to tell her, "Yeah whatever I'll think about it," and keep doing whatever you want.
All she wants is for you not to be thoughtless.

>the virgin grey jedi
>the CHAD Sith Warrior

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I always thought she was just anti-Force. The conversation always seemed like an existential one, the Force as everyone else views it means you have to set out on one path and blindly follow it through.

Don't be light side, there are too many rules.
Don't be dark side, there are too many rules.
Think for yourself, and let things happen.

I was under the impression that she was interested in the Exile simply because he/she had proven you can be separated from the Force and live, something appealing to someone who seems to dislike the Force.

>LOOK THIS EDIT I MADE IN PAINT
The state of retards with no argument

Can't you be more productive than this?

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She's anti-force, but that is largely a consequence of being pro-individualist
She's all about self-improvement, determination, and free will, and the force shits all over that
And though making the universe a better place is also only a consequence of chasing those ideals and is not something she actually cares about, the force even stands in the way of that, it's the ultimate fuck you to every person and action in the galaxy

The problem some have with that, is that the game doesn't offer many actual third options to resolve conflicts, you literally can't do what she says
It can't because it's still a star wars game based on a binary morality system, and that's the entire point of the story, but it still pisses some people off

nice

>Obsidian does a sequel to a Bioware game
>makes Bioware's protag into the baddest motherfucker in the galaxy
>Bioware continues Obsidian's work in TOR
>makes the Exile into a total fuck-up who died a nobody
It's just one of those things.

They also completely ruined what made Revan cool by trying to fit it into their own shitty interpretation
They tried so hard, too, they made him fucking Keanu Reeves and tried to make him seem like a big deal, but it just falls so flat

Based christchad who can take some banter
Cringe christfag who actually got upset

Project faglord, project

Especially dog. Dog killed Flemeth for me while the rest of my party was dead.

Project what? Are you saying sitting on Yas Forums saying "muh argument" is producting?

>no argument
>projecting
>can't even prove something
The absolute state of Anonymous in 2020

I always thought it was stupid how a guy punches the other to death because you refuse to give him 5 cents

>tries to drag me into his internet argument
>when i'm not even the same dude

See, you're not very productive. It wasn't a projection after all.

>I'm not the same guy, I swear
>no argument
>projecting
>can't even prove something
Want to add anything else?

Here's your DLC, bro

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It's because you threaten to kill him
He gets angry, and eventually takes out that anger on another

Sure the game COULD give you the option to just tell the guy "sorry but no" instead of threatening him, but then Kreia would say nothing and you would miss out on a character defining moment.

I'm not him either, I just want to jump in the argument and call you a faggot. faggot.

Damn i'm cool.

Wouldn't the correct term be "Adynamist fag shit"?

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Nothing, you won buddy.

I was the same guy all along, and instead of forming an argument I just did this weird thing where I pretend to be someone else.

You caught me. Sorry.

It does feel the game really pushes you into a corner at times with choices, but I guess that's just natural for any game with a black and white moral system

>I'm not the same guy, I swear
>samefagging
>no argument
>projecting
>can't even prove something
Want to add more?

No, it was me all along. All the posts belong to me.

I'm the guy. I was really just projecting all along, please excuse me, user.

Fagot nigger soitranny

No argument retards LOL

Grey jedi are objectively right, they just vibe with the force in all its forms.
Jedi are autists, and Sith are retarded autists.

I liked the dwarf in NWN2 that wanted to be a monk.

Not sure if I have ever heard Woolie utter any original thought.

If there's negative consequences no matter what I do, realistically the lesson I'm going to learn is to stop caring.

I think that was the bounty girl's path

Uh, based department...?

>I'm not the same guy, I swear
>samefagging
>no argument
>being BUTTMAD
>projecting
>can't even prove something
Just keep piling it on.

>She's a Grey Jedi.
She's not. Everything she guides you towards is to become a Sith, just not a retard Sith like 99% of them.

I wouldn't mind Visas putting her juicy lips on my dick

>Darth Nihilus
You mean Bitch Verison Valkorion?

>religion
>natural

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People would have less issues with this if you were just given the choice to do NOTHING. But the scenario forces you into a binary choice
>there's not always the choice to do nothing in life
The fuck there isn't

Why do people fellate this self-insert character so much?

Can't you make your character a lightside sith in the old republic?

I didn't know Avellone was into getting tortured and gangbanged.

Yes. In fact light side sith warrior is a better story than BABY EATER HITLER MAN.

The game portrays it as you being a man/woman of principle and honor who wishes to remake the sith empire.

Briana. Visas is a wierdo

>They're all these things, and yet they are nothing

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Because many people hate SW but feel they must like it because it is a cultural phenomenon. Kreia is basically full on "STAR WARS IS DUMB! I HATE IT! REEEEE!"

Then maybe a videogame shouldn't specifically reward you for taking binary options.

>wtf there is someone who isn't a yes man on my squad?!
>KREIA... KRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIAAA!!!

>virgin valkorion
>has to switch bodies over the years like the wimpy faggot he is. hides in unknown parts of the galaxies for hundreds of years
>chad nihilus
>doesn't even have a body and still wrecks shit. never hides his presence and attacks every planet that he senses some bit of force on.

There is literally no argument against Dog other than "he's just a dog"

She is a No Man instead
Or a nagging bitch, as they are commonly called

>Kreia considered one of the best written characters in old expanded Star Wars universe.
>Lone angry contrarian faggot says otherwise.
lmao

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>Christfags actually trying to seriously defend themselves on Yas Forums of all places
2016 was a mistake.

Retard Sith is the only Sith setting
You're essentially saying that everything that doesn't align with Jedi teachings is evilpoopbad, and that's retarded

Star Wars is great, Jedi morality is just stupid
Which, incidentally, was a plot point taken directly from the prequels

>the lesson I'm going to learn is to stop caring.
NOOOO YOUR INACTION CAUSED HIM; TO DIE OF HUNGEEEER!

>Doesn't know the difference between an anti-theist and an atheist.
Stupid dumb christcuck scum.

>Polysyllables make me insecure.
lol

>Be Kreia
>be shitty Jedi master
>have a bunch of students
>teach them a bunch of morally grey pseudo intellectual bullshit
>this leads to them betraying the jedi order and tracking down a literal sith emperor
>they go on a genocidal killing spree because you didnt prepare them at all and your teachings directly made it super easy for the emporer to corrupt them
>get kicked out of the jedi for being such a shitty teacher
>decide you want revenge on the jedi because you're a petty cunt
>decide to go full edge and be a sith now
>go out of your way to find 2 of the most fucked up people you can find to be your apprentices
>they're literal wounds in the force that shouldnt even exist
>teach them to be super strong
>they see through your hypocritical morally grey pretentious nonsense and betray you for being so fucking shitty of a character
>drain most of your powers and taunt you for your incompetance
>dont even bother killing you because you're so pathetic
>get so fucking butthurt about this that you decide if you cant have the force, no one can
>THE FORCE HAS TO DIE /slits wrists
>find another wound in the force to try and get revenge on your students, because thats not gonna backfire or anything
>teach her some more of your morally grey pretentious nonsense
>she eventually also sees through your bullshit
>she kills you
>you die a failure
>everything you tried to do ended in failure
>you died a bitter, miserable and jaded old woman with nothing to show

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At the end of the day I'm responsible for my own actions and no one else's. Even if someone like the beggar in Nar Shadaa is pushed in a certain direction, it's still his decision to take actions afterwards. Because if you don't accept there, where does the chain of responsibility end? Theoretically it doesn't and the person at the start of a chain of events is resposible for what every single person does afterwards. And I don't think Kreia who is pro-individuality believes that because to believe such a thing means that not only are you a collectivist, but it means people don't have any agency.

No I'm saying be a Darth Reasonable.

Jedi morality makes far more sense than Sith morality. Both are retarded.

>Has Jesus as a skin
>atheist
Lol

>Everything she guides you towards is to become a Sith
No. Darkside maybe, but definitely not sith.

>FORCE BAD
why?
>THE FORCE IS BLINDING YOU!

I mean, you have to kill her in the end, so really it means she was wrong.

The problem with Jedi doctrine is the stupid "hur dur hold your emotions" which is basically creating timesithbombs that could exploded at any traumatic event.

In the context of grey morality, a 'reasonable' sith is exactly the same as being a 'reasonable' jedi
It doesn't matter which group you tack on to the "Grey" label, because simplistic black and white morality is what drives the rest of the universe
It's only called a grey jedi to begin with because that's what most of them start out as, and the people who push it in the real world want it to be seen as a good thing

>In the context of grey morality, a 'reasonable' sith is exactly the same as being a 'reasonable' jedi
Not true because a reasonable sith still wants to rule the galaxy. They just want to do it for what they see as everyone else's good and not for the sake of the power.

>brainlet thinks that 'best written character in star wars' is a good thing

And also controlling your actions, and dominating your skillset, and making you a worse individual

But the anime porn site is the perfect place to argue about jews and gays!

never play the game but i always seen this bytch posted, does she have a romance option? i mean just fck that milf in the azz maybe thats what she needs and will shut her mouth after that

Hey Kreia, if the force is controlling our actions, doesn't that mean the Force wants you to destroy the Force?

Kreia never wanted to rule the galaxy
Hell, that's not even really what Revan wanted, being the bad guy would work fine as long as it strengthened the galaxy, same as G0-T0

>The problem with Jedi doctrine is the stupid "hur dur hold your emotions
I will never not be made that lucas came up with this stupid shit.

has anyone made a JUSTED kreia yet?

Or you know, Darth Vader. Palpatine may have been full of shit but Vader genuinely believed the Empire was making the galaxy a better place.

She was cut off from the force.

>owns multiple empires
>more deadly than the Vong
>Tortured Revan for shits and giggles for 300 years
>let a Jedi knight kill his physical form because he was bored and can wait millenia anyway.

Valkorion is the true chad

Kreia died on a rock in the middle of nowhere and had no legacy
Working as intended

You considering Kreia well written does not mean anyone else does, NPC.

The only problem with it is that Disney retroactively ruined the OT by making it a story about Luke bringing back those old ways, instead of forging a better path

The sense I got from it was that he only stayed with Palpy because he thought it was too late for him to turn back, and that made him too scared to even stand up to him unless there without a guaranteed chance

>no one in the universe other than like 10 people remembers who she is after she died
>her teachings never passed on
>in the grand scheme of things she didn't matter

It's just pseudo-buddhism.

good

You being retarded and just wanting your dick sucked like a lowest common denominator normalfag doesn't make you seem like an amazing judge of what constitutes good writing

No that's after RotJ practically retconned his characterization from the first 2 films and turned him into a pussy. It never made sense how he went from "join me or I will destroy you son" from the end of the last film to "come on Luke, if you come with me it'll all make sense. Don't do this to your old man" in the next.

Your entire shit was already disproven because I'm not whoever the fuck you think, faggot.

>unless there without
I need to go to sleep

Followed by thousands and thousands of years of a cycle of endless turmoil caused by the force, thus proving her right

Was Valkorian the most successful Sith Emperor?

Then how did she use the fucking force?

You're the person arguing with this, so yes you are

Jedi are not supposed to hold and repress their emotions, rather they should learn to control them. Things like compassion are essential for being a jedi. Mace Windu is extremely strong by almost tapping into the darkside and being able to mostly control his feelings, but he was still a bit too prideful. Anakin was a retard who supressed his emotions, which is not the jedi way.

Both.

Well yeah because pure light side is the canon ending.
You let the jedi council be reformed with those three hypocritical bullshit masters, and go off to fight the emperor with Revan (and die).

The grey ending where your character sort of agrees with Kreia, you stay on Malachor 5 preaching your gray shit and i think you kill the council.

No Palpatine was. He achieved more in a much shorter period of time.

I forgot.

If you say so. Seems to me you're just being willfully ignorant.

She bypassed the skill requirements

The entire driving force behind Anakin's story is that Jedi are literally not supposed to have any attachments because love and care and shit leads to the dark side

Valkorion had an entire backup empire and was THE Sith Lord for 1500+ years.

teach a man to fish bro

Do i keep Vette or romance Lana?

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>was THE Sith Lord for 1500+ years
Not hard if you hide like a coward. Sidious had much less sith knowledge to work with and still managed to control more of the galaxy then Valkorion ever did.

>le grey jedi
>Jolee "screw you guys, i'm going to Kashyyyk" Bindu
>Kreia "fuck the force"
Go Back.

>Jolee Bindu
>Mace Windu
bravo lucas

your ancestors were pretty shit desu, jew worship is what really moved the needle

Lana

>Mace Windu flies off the window
BRAVO LUCAS

Well yeah you're supposed to have compassion, equal compassion for EVERYONE.
You're not supposed to love someone more than everyone else, which is ultimately the same thing as saying you're not supposed to love.

lmao forcecuck

You don't get a third choice because there is no third choice in the star wars universe. You're either a paragon of virtue or a selfish murderous prick. Anyone in between that isn't anakin or luke is considered misguided or basically just a sith anyway.

Why does every single kotor2 thread have tons of people who need the obvious explained to them over and over? This RPG element of the game seems to have confused the fuck out of multiple generations of people and I'll never understand why. Your role isn't to make choices that suit you as the player while you save the galaxy from a generic AI threat and fuck weird aliens. You're specifically playing the role of a person who was exiled from a society that's stuck in an obtuse never ending pattern of binary morality. Your role in that story isn't to self insert, it's to play that role in the context of that universe.

>travel the universe treating symptoms instead of their root causes
>use special force powers to do so
>think Kreia is wrong for reprimanding you
Imagine being this smol brained and brainwashed.

That's the whole star wars universe, though, no one seems to be able to realize that the conflict between dark and light has been ruining the galaxy for literally thousands of years.

>Open door for person
>WHAT THE FUCK WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT HOW DARE YOU ROB THAT ACHIEVEMENT FROM THEM

user, the Jedi are literally "NO LOVE ALLOWED", which is at least one of the reasons they only recruit babies, because they didn't get "attached" to their families yet.

Anakin isn't a retard, he is an actual normal person in a club of sociopaths

this

>the conflict between dark and light has been ruining the galaxy for literally thousands of years
Probably because in an objective, metaphysical sense, it doesn't fucking exist you brainlet cunt

Why are KOTOR 2 threads always fucking garbage and full of fucking retards like this
Kill yourself you stupid double digit IQ mongoloid

Why not both?

Well he does turn into a retard later cause his fall was poorly handled.

Cause the game won't let me

Are you on cocaine?

yeah all due to the jedi
>hey this kid seems kinda angry and distant, like he has issues that need to be resolved, lest he turn to the dark side, also he spends a lot of time around that senator.
>eh it's fine.

>master yoda im scared of losing the people i care about
>just let it go lol nothing matters anyway
yoda was fucking stupid

The best part of that is the canon explanation for it
>they were all being retards because Palpatine was using the darth side to influence and make them act like retards.

There is a third choice, though unless you become a hermit and cut yourself off from human interaction, you tend to get pushed towards the extremes.

Then don't give me choice if I can't choose what I would actually do. Being able to choose what YOU as the player would do is supposed to be what separates these games from the hyper-railroaded, "you're just here to be told a story" JRPGs. Which is fine if the latter is what the game wants to do but it's not.

>unless you become a hermit and cut yourself off from human interaction
So a jedi?

In an objective, metaphysical sense, it is a thing both in-universe and in real life
That's what Star Wars is about

You're either totally irrelevant as a grey or basically on one side or the other anyway. Lucas did that intentionally.

Bullshit, don't tell me there isn't such a thing as a grey morality as a choice in the same movies that gave us Obi-Wan "from a certain point of view" Kenobi and Yoda's "finish your training and let your friends die for the good of people you don't know and care about"

You can do what you would do, as long as it's within the bounds of the star wars universe, which has a very clear binary morality

He wasn't making them act like retards

The thing is that the force is like a sixth sense.
Fuck, Miraluka don't even need eyes, all they need to "see" is the force.

Sheev used the dark side to "blind" them in the force sense, and since powerful jedi are utterly reliant on the force, they just acted like bumbling retards.

Someone force-blind in the first place might have been quicker to doubt his intentions, while a jedi wouldn't because he didn't "sense" anything wrong from him.

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>Sheev used the dark side to "blind" them in the force sense, and since powerful jedi are utterly reliant on the force, they just acted like bumbling retards.
That;s effectivelt the same thing

redpilled.

>Then don't give me choice if I can't choose what I would actually do.
This game isn't for you, power fantasy-kun. You've been brainwashed by bioware games that all suck your dick just for choosing to play them.
>Being able to choose what YOU as the player would do is supposed to be what separates these games from the hyper-railroaded, "you're just here to be told a story" JRPGs.
You do get to choose what YOU as the player would do, you simply aren't free to make any decision you please. This argument has always been amusing to me because if they did do that, let you do anything regardless of the appropriate context in this universe, then that's what you people would be complaining about instead.

Yoda was saying the same shit he was saying in the prequels, fuck your personal attachments, you need to be a good Jedi and follow the rules because that's what being good is

No user I just want actual freedom like in a tabletop game.

Handmaiden, she probably cums the minute you stick it up her ass.

>anal
It's incredibly overrated

That's not the explanation for all their decisions and traditions and teachings, just why they couldn't see a sith lord hiding right in front of them

>n-no! obi-wan was actually a grey jedi!
Just stop. You're insulting your own intelligence more than mine with that kind of statement. Yoda believes it's fine for people to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Self sacrifice is a jedi tenant and always has been.

>it is a thing both in-universe
Nope. There is no magical universal force god that decides to make sure nothing ever happens.

There is also no auto-team balance metaphysical law that keeps the two 'sides' propped up and realistically the sides don't exist.

Everyone's a fucking hack, that's why the same shit gets retrod all the time, then fucking Avellone decided he'd pitch the dumb cunt idea that everything staying the same forever is somehow an in-universe law and all the jenkem huffing consoomers decided he was onto something and now they act like it's actually a fucking thing when it isn't and has never been.

Then the vast majority of roleplaying vidya isn't for you in the first place

>"finish your training and let your friends die for the good of people you don't know and care about"
That's exactly what being a jedi is all about.

That's not a paragon of virtue though. Nothing in that mindset is virtuous.

>lying to and manipulating people is fine and in fact a good thing to do
That isn't even bringing up the retardation of "only a sith deals in absolutes"

>Strongest jedis in the fucking galaxy don't notice the Sith next door because he put some force-curtains

Yes because they're objectively shit by comparison. Nothing in a videogame can replicate a good campaign you play.

Perhaps the same could be said of all sex.

That's literally all of Star Wars, and it directly comes up all the time
It's okay to not like Avellone or Lucas or anyone else's writing, but I have no idea what imaginary standard you're even trying to uphold here

I once gave someone some money so they could get something at burger King, and then after they got it, they complained to the staff that it was messed up and demanded more free shit. Never helped anyone again after that.