So I have a theory and I would like all the oldfags and boomers still left here to reply with their opinions. I would prefer objective answers since I want to see if these things really apply. I was quite young and my theory might be total bullshit because of my age. Ok, let's go. Basically, I believe that there are sort of three periods regarding the 21 century (well at least the years since the 21 century started). The years are estimates. I can't pinpoint the exact years but here it is.
>2000-2007 People were really optimistic in spite of 9/11. Everyone seemed to get along some. Something felt different, it was more relaxed, it was calm and is some sort of way. I can't really describe it, but people were really different from now. They were content and hopeful somehow. The future still looked bright and maybe most importantly everything was slower, we weren't rushing like we are today. >2008-2012 Things start to go wrong. It's still manageable, but the decline is still there. The first period is done, people get more worried. Things get weirder and weirder. >2013-now Things get more fucked and fucked. Everything seems rushed, agitated, people are worried. The world becomes the clown world of today. A lot of things happen that make life worse and that are almost impossible to understand. We're here now.
So, can anyone confirm or deny this? The older you are the better, I want someone who can be a bit objective. I think my theory might be mostly due to nostalgia and whatnot.
!!!Also, I don't mean things were different politically or economically. I don't care about a historical event or the media. I mean THE PEOPLE were fundamentally different in some sort of way. They acted differently. They interacted differently. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Yes, old guy here. There has been a steady decline in the state of the people. They are more tense less open. Overall, society has become harsh and combative. Trust has broken down.
Yes, I feel the same way too. But I am also a bit of a nostalgic so I want to check it. Do you have any clear factors that are responsible for the current state? What exactly changed? And what can we do to bring back the things that made life better?
I am aware of that. That 2007 is the year when the iPhone was launched Facebook started to gain popularity and these might be some of the factors for why the things changed.
Jordan Anderson
Do you think during the late 00s and early 10s China was just as optimistic as the West was during the early 2000s?
Mind you it's not only optimism that it's missing but also what this fellow said . Everyone is more tense. We are always in a rush as individuals and as a society, like our future is doomed to go some place. And everyone is really nasty, really competitive and individualistic. At least that's how I see it.
Please post you experiences of these three periods. Tell me what you think fellow anons.
>I will really appreciate I would really appreciate it.*
Ian Reyes
2013 coincidentally, if I'm not mistaken, is when fourth wave feminism started to coalesce into a powerful force on the internet. Makes sense why everyone is agitated.
Luis Harris
Do you think it might have generated the things that came after? The worry, the anxiety? The people getting meaner to one another?
OP I think your timeline is approximately right, probably people will have individual differences of a few years depending on life events. If there were markers for this they would have to be: 9/11 / Iraq war Financial crash / transition from bush - obama Wokeness / Trump
I think there are a lot of reasons, tech/culture, jews, whatever. But one big thing I feel is that the hopefulness left over during the post 9/11 period was channelled into Obama, but his complete sell-out character black pilled things and led progressives away from more anti-wall street to anti-white people, pro tranny bullshit.
Anthony Powell
Normies started getting on the net when smart phones started to become a thing. It slowly happened at first, but now everyone including your grandma is online now. Smart phones were a mistake. We weren't meant to be this interconnected as a species, so now everyone is at constant conflict with each other. Ideas and trends rise and fall in months, weeks, and even days now. If we as a species manage to overcome this hurdle then perhaps historians will look at 2007 as the year where things started to kick off with the common folk. However, the future generations are probably going to just become nigger slave cattle to a Jewish AI nanobot powered super species. While the rest of the world gets more brown and more dumb the Jew will rise to the stars and beyond. Your descendants will be a totally different species. A slave species that will look upon you with disgust, but they will never look into themselves to see what they have become.
Before the internet was a thing, a lot of people were bluepilled, only listened to the TV etc. etc. I don't necessarily think the 10s are that bad Although I hope the 20s go back to the way the 0s used to be
Eli Stewart
Normies always existed, but my point is: weren't they different before this? Why getting them online would change them? Why wouldn't they stay like they were irl? I see your doomer post and I ask: how do we go back?
Luke Rogers
I'm pretty sure people simply get more aggresive because of "overpopulation" or high density demographics in cities.
I watched a video about Luxembourg that was 8 years old, it's like a complet different place much less people everywhere everything seemed cleaner.
Joshua Russell
>the 20s go back to the way the 0s used to be That would require a vanguard of people to drastically cut back on internet usage, give up the smartphones, go outside, and basically relearn how to socialize.
Josiah Walker
I agree. As I said, normies always existed. Everyone was bluepilled, but apart from politics and the media, weren't people different? I can't really describe it. They were bluepilled but they were more calm in some sort of way, more laid back. I can't quite find a word for it.
Oliver Allen
The internet was a mistake. Mobile devices with internet is a mistake.
If we remove these two items immediatley, some sanity will be restored. People will begin to interact with people in their community.
Parker Cox
The economic crisis, duh.
Ryan Perry
>They are more tense less open. it might be a stupid example but you can see this perfectly in wow. everyone talked about the good community in the original wow and how blizzard ruined it. but after the launch of wow classic im starting to believe its just people in general who have changed. nobody is talking to each other anymore for some reason.
Thomas Robinson
Woah this brings back memories.
I lived the first 12 years of my life without internet or smartphones. Society was overall better back then, I think.
Evan Ramirez
old boomers tell me how you could stop your car right in front of the arc de triomphe to take a picture in the 70s. there wasnt nearly as much traffic and people walking around back then.
Evan Rodriguez
>it's like a complet different place much less people everywhere everything seemed cleaner. i didnt even see that part. this is absolutely true. the whole area around the train station in the capital degraded so much in the last 10 years
Daniel Martin
The leap in social connectivity from Razor V3’s and Blackberries to smartphone applications definitely accelerated the social breakdown into warpspeed.
Elijah Brown
I think we will see the next time after Trump's second term 2024 or economic recovery. People will have had enough fun for a generation like the 1970s and need a break. Traditionalism will reign in the extremes for a time for the sake of stability.
Josiah Long
>I'm pretty sure people simply get more aggresive because of "overpopulation" or high density demographics in cities.
Well, the world population HAS grown by almost 2 billion. >2000: 6,143,493,805 >2020: 7,794,798,729
Then of course there’s the whole ”migrant crisis”-crap of 2015...
Christopher Cruz
bump
Mason Butler
>I lived the first 12 years of my life without internet or smartphones. Society was overall better back then, I think. I think the same, but it's hard to be objective when you are young. I was also young during the 2000s and the internet wasn't a big part of people's life and I feel that people were better, but I am waiting for some boomers to tell me how they perceived these periods.
They cities are horrible places. Everywhere you go there is traffic and where there is no traffic there are cars parked everywhere. I remember growing up noticing how the space for people to walk got smaller and smaller while the road grew bigger and the cars stole more and more space from people. What do the these old boomers think about the early 2000s?
Ian White
It was the internet's fault! Well to be more specific, social media... Ok, to be even more specific, it was the smartphone's fault!
Back then, if you wanted to go online, you needed to use a PC (I mean there were some expensive phones that gave you internet access, but it wasn't quite the same). I know I'm going to sound like an ultra-boomer, but we've created a society of social media addicts, where social media acts more like the real world than the real world. Everything posed in social media is 100% the truth and everything your favorite multi-billion dollar celebrities say is also the truth. The mob mentality that social media has created has left people extremely bitter and politically paranoid about everything.
But let me say this! In terms of conflict, the 2000s was FAR worse than the 2010s! In the 2000s we had 9/11, followed by all the controversies surrounding the middle east. If any one of these events happened during the social media addicted society of the 2010s, you would probably think the world is ending.
Jaxson Ward
Pretty much true. I was born in 1990 and since the late 2000s everything went downhill. I mostly blame smartphones, social media and mobile internet for that.
Smart phones and the internet just give people more information. A society that would get ruined by that would have to be relying on the people being ignorant. I think the real problem is that people are more and more aware that the west in general doesn't have a bright future. Real estate is increasingly unaffordable. Decent jobs got offshored to developing countries and they're never coming back. Stuff like the fake refugee invasion of 2015 happened and the whole ruling ruling class was totally in favor of it. More and more normies can see that our best days are behind us. That has a big effect on social behaviour in general.
Agree definitely. 2007 was the happiest year of my life. At the last day of that year, I woke up very early, and wanted to immortalize that last sunrise, but had no camera back then. I just stood there and tried to memorize the sky, the sun, the clouds and immortalize that last sunrise of 2007 in my mind. I still remember it, the sun shone with a very intense yellow light, the sky as very very blue.
Then came 2008, and life hit hard, and I hated it, and so hated 2012. Nowadays, I think things are slight better, but not because they're improving, but because they're going into a cyberpunkish direction I really enjoy, we're going to be living in a world like those gritty and grim 90s cop movies, except with neon lights and cybernetics, gonna feel comfy.
Thomas Stewart
Thank you for making a good thread, user. These don't happen or don't create as much discussion that often nowadays
Christopher Flores
Confirm. Honestly I am certain the problem is the internet.
Past generations had to conform to mainstream society. There was little to no way to create bizarre extremist communities. The internet has made it very easy for people to go down dark rabbit holes and experience social validation in pursuing things far outside the norm.
Now we have furry subcultures renting convention centers, conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones attracting millions of normies, permanently triggered SJWs engaging in 24/7 online warfare.
The internet is tearing us apart.
Justin Edwards
>Back then, if you wanted to go online, you needed to use a PC (I mean there were some expensive phones that gave you internet access, but it wasn't quite the same). I know I'm going to sound like an ultra-boomer, but we've created a society of social media addicts, where social media acts more like the real world than the real world. Everything posed in social media is 100% the truth and everything your favorite multi-billion dollar celebrities say is also the truth. The mob mentality that social media has created has left people extremely bitter and politically paranoid about everything.
People have also forgotten the unwritten golden rules of the Net: >don’t give out your personal information online >don’t believe everything you see/read online >what you put on the net, stays on the net
Chase King
Sorry but everything has been fucked and steadily and rapidly getting worse since 9/11.
