Just got into a debate with a liberal roastie. Socialism vs capitalism. She said capitalism here is slavery. I told her, tell that to the Cubans in socialism. Then she moves the goalposts and says ' Cuba is fucked. Go look at Sweden and their democratic socialism and compare them to the USA. '
Anyways, she left the chat soon after I told her black guys commit most gun crime in our city and sent her a link to polices most wanted.
But she will be back. And I wanna be ready with good arguments that I will now prepare for her, and any other degenerate liberal. Other anons here will learn from this post and internalize these viewpoints.
So anons, how can we utterly destroy the ' Sweden's democratic socialism is better than North America's capitalism ' argument?
Does fucking Sweden have a dictatorship of the proletariat that has seized the means of production from the capitalist class? If no then they aren't fucking socialist.
Adam Nelson
I know what I believe you fucking retard, I'm just not perfectly familiar with the swedecucks situations to speak with full confidence about them yet..... Most I've really heard here is they were getting overrun by muslims or Jews or both
Julian King
I just came here to say, "Hang all the kikes dead". Carry on.
Ryan Rivera
That makes sense. But, surely her argument will be something like ' aahhhh but they have DEMOCRATIC socialism there, it's different '
Sweden is actually really dysfunctional. They had a safety net that worked when they were majority swedish because nobody wanted to take benefits because it was shameful. NOw they are importing people that are happy to be a part of the underclass so it creates a huge burden.
Lincoln Barnes
buy a copy of pic related. It has lots of good information about the horror show in Sweden.
Democratic socialism is literally centre-leaning capitalism.
Justin Gomez
There are lots of really dysfunctional socialist countries like America, Canada, England, France, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.
I like the more sensible strategy of countries like singapore that bring skilled workers in, give subsidized apartments to the majority of the population, and don't realyl give other handouts so there is no way for a welfare dependent underclass to develop.
Julian Smith
Why the fuck are you arguing with a woman? Your wasting your breath. Bitches communicate with feels, you should be showing her pictures of ebba cut in half and the bataclan massacre and asking why she hates little white swedish kids.
Brody Sanders
Just tell them Sweden doesn't believe Corona lockdown is necessary.
It's a disingenuous way to argue, but it's a sure win against liberals.
Aaron Brooks
Go to Malmo and see what multiculturalism and easy welfare handouts looks like. Then go to Shanghai and see what it's like where everyone has to work for a living and you'll see how much more successful capitalist societies are.
Ayden Gray
As a swede, this is more or less it. We had a super homogenous society with a strong culture of selfless work and dicipline. That, not socialist ideals, is what layed the groundwork for our big welfare state.
Xavier Taylor
I like the Swedish culture of not being a braggart, not being show-offy, being very law abiding. They created a society where everyone was safe to focus on their area of interest and become a world expert without being bothered. Now swedes are surrounded by hostile drug gangs, muslims, welfare bums, and all sorts of other people that have no reason to be there.
I wish the Euro diaspora could have been brought back to europe instead of weirdos from all around the world. I'm a brit by ancestry but would be happy to live almost anywhere in Europe and I don't think the average swede could tell me apart from themselves.
Ebba Eklund, fuck I've heard the name here but damn, if some user swede patriot could compile some collages of these atrocities and the downfalls of this system, it would help alot of anons here including me
John Gonzalez
Can you please give some more context bro, help the board out, what's a QRD of the Malmo situation, in pol words not MSM words. Everyone who posts with interest in this thread will be arming many anons to redpill many liberals that use this argument
James Brown
Just keep repeating the ethnic homogeneity and lack of welfare class. If she refuses to acknowledge both, call her a retard and tell her to come back only after she has studied the effects of differing cultural values.
Gavin Walker
Read Pelle Neroth Taylor's books about Sweden. I uploaded them to library genesis a while ago. He gives a very good analysis of the current situation in Sweden.
When did the influx of immigrants really start and who were the players involved in starting it all... And is the Sweden government all women or something like that
Dominic Bailey
I appreciate the kind words and I'm sure we would get along pretty well. You are more or less correct, however I think to understand our situation you should know there is mostly pretty huge separation between areas where regular swedes live and the ghettos where drug gangs etc are really starting to build up.
I belive it the situation in both sweden and the rest of europe is going to change sooner or later tho, and we are going to see violent and none violent attempts at "cleansing" of these groups, as well as a pretty big shift in politics in general. The situation cannot keep developing as it is right now, there will be blowback sooner or later
Adrian Campbell
sweden felt really oppressive though when i was there. like everyone is putting up a facade to hide their cognitive dissonance
Sweden is a social democracy, not socialism. It's a capitalist country with a welfare state. Granted, the government has been getting more economically right because leftism only works in high trust society where people will not exploit the safety net.
Hudson Harris
The thing is that we have already seen the entire process play out in North America in Baltimore and Detroit. They will drive locals out with crime, then one will inevitably get killed by police, then the minorities riot and burn out even more locals. Then after the riot the entire area is lost.
To be able to regain territory you have to somehow figure out how to overthrow your government, get a new regime in, and then expel all of the hostiles, lock up or execute the criminals, and start trying to get the country functioning again.
Tyler Carter
So you're saying, tell her it's pure white people and there's no welfare leeches. And when she says that 'yes, there are immigrants' does that mean they mostly take welfare? And how does that relate to capitalism being better than their system
Easton Morales
These are all nonsense terms. Sweden has a welfare state and is becoming less productive by the year because Swedes had to be VERY educated to be able to make Sweden into a prosperous country by making sophisticated technology. Do you think Somalis are going to be designing medical equipment in Sweden?
What's going to happen is that larger and larger parts of Sweden will be lost to swedes and the now impoverished immigrant descended people wil wonder why they're poor and then the oligarchs will use that as a pre-text to push more hand outs, more government dependence, and in the process create an even more enfeebled population.
Tyler Martin
>Sweden's democratic socialism is better than North America's capitalism Sweden (all scandis) is a capitalist country with many government social programs, same thing as Canada for the most part.
Kevin Howard
Basicly, in sweden we are sorted in local municipalities (or whatever an appropriate word is). To adjust for differences in population age, productivity etc some of the taxes you pay is sent around so "better" ones pay for "worse" ones. However, this is exploited by cities like Malmö who spends its money but doesnt try to increase productivity etc with its inhabitants, which is a big problem there. Malmö is swedens third biggest city but gets 25% of its total budget money from other cities because it cant keep its shit together. Along with that its one of the most violent cities in sweden (perhaps europe seen by capita). I guess thats the short version. Feel free to ask more, however i might fall asleep, its 6 in the morning here im getting tired lol
Kevin Johnson
But how can an user irrefutably prove this in an argument
Isaiah Myers
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Jace Wilson
>Cuba is fucked. she's an idiot and so are you
Christian Wood
Jewish oligarchs want a cuba situation with a low IQ mulatto population that is dependent on the government and a totalitarian government that has zero accountability. That's why they love blacks. They can use them to mongrelize the natives, down breed them, and their laziness and unproductivity can be used as a pretext to sell them on more government handouts, and since they are low IQ they can't understand when they are losing rights and they have no ability to resist a totalitarian government.
I feel like America is getting VERY close to the final stage and i will be happy when the niggers finally realize that they aren't going to be in charge after whitey's gone.
Dylan Davis
Show them a dictionary definition of what socialism stands for:
Jaxson Myers
How much do people make on average? How many hours per work week? How comfortable do most people eat and live? Surely you have great cars and don't bike or walk everywhere like socialists? What is the voting process like? How would you say you are similar to Cuba in any way?
Jacob Jones
Sweden is Socialism for whites. Socialism existed for thousands of years before Marx ever coined. We can't implement the same policies because most nonwhites are unproductive and make life a living hell.
James Davis
She's a roastie so she'll weasel you on the definition of "socialism" and claim victory probably.
Sweden fits almost none of the criteria for socialism. Maybe they call their system "socialist" I don't really know, but it's your typical capitalist economy with high taxes to pay for government safety net programs.
Capitalism is retarded and "defending" it dogmatically is even more retarded
Colton Campbell
It's been more or less steadily increasing since the 90:s, dotted line in image is total immigrants per year, full line is men, half line is women. The driving groups have been politicians, journos and NGO:s, who have all pushed super hard for this. My personal thought is that its part idealistic utopism, but mostly a way for them to follow trendy progressive policies because pretending to be "good" gives social status which really helps getting ahead in those fields.
Sweden has had lots of big companies historically that were very productive but he's right that places like Malmo are becoming economic dead-zones that are dependent on federal dollars to keep functioning. The same is true in many blacked cities in America.
Asher Taylor
What kind of social programs? Which are the most common or most leeched off of?
Robert Nelson
yeah, our cultures really wierd like that. We are "friendly, open, generous" etc in some ways but in some ways we are super oppressive. I imagine sweden could be super terrifying in a total war, because if our cultural concience decides something, everyone more or less follows without questioning or allowing differing opinions, which i think could allow for some really nasty warcrimes, kinda like how japan did. I dunno, our culture is very hard to pin down, but im sure it can be pretty difficult to navigate in. we are able to cope with loads of cognative dissonance. that kinda is what enables us to not react to all the shit thats happening in sweden right now.
