Is the political system intrinsically corrupt so that any decent person taking a political carreer will end up...

He probably mean direct taxes.

so if i fly from kekestan to the USA and work a day in a Dinner, i pay my taxes for it.
Now i can vote in the usa?

If you want shit done you will need allies, and they WANT a piece of that cake too.

I imagine there are some who go in with good intentions but all fall to the corruption and power. It's just to seductive for them.

>Is the political system intrinsically corrupt
no, it's just adults are happy to sacrifice integrity and principles for the right price

Yes it’s so bad that any act to overthrow the current systems are valid

The problem is that you assume that good people won't get groomed by the corruptable ones into corruption. After their motivation to follow a political carrer is forgotten, how likely are they to get complacent with corruption? Can someone really have values so strong they can endure with all the corruption happening without going insane? Like you say, if the good ones revolt, they will simply get kicked by the (perceived) majority of corruptables. But how long can anyone endure that and not get complacent with the status quo?

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So not the system exactly, but also something that's implied in it and that everyone knows that happens. It's part of the meta-system, but as far as I see it, if the political system can protect those acts in some way, couldn't we say that's part of the system itself? Lobbying is a thing, and part of the political landscape.

A US senator has to garner $10k in campaign donations per day to ensure re-election. Six year term, 365 days per year, ~20M on average to win a senate race.

There is no option other than graft. You cannot win or advance by being noble or 'good'.

I think you will fail or play the game at a low level, i think the good ones play the game and do some littel shit like building a highway 2 km more east so that a rich guy dont need to drive that long or you build your social housing in a other part of the city so the houses of a rich guy dont loose that much worth.
You play along, look away at the right times and you and the bad guys have a chance against the "really bad guys"

This thread is the fact that all of this board is filled with uneducated and delusional faggots. Have you ever read The Prince? Do you know who Weber is? Two basic things even a decent man should know. Politics is inevitably corrupt. Noone plays clearly. If you don't, you'll lose, that's is. You have to be corrupt, even if you have good intentions, you have to dirty your hands. Politics is about achieving and keeping power, and to do so everyone's ready to do anything.

>Politics is about achieving and keeping power, and to do so everyone's ready to do anything.
Did you read the Prince? i personaly find Machiavelli writes clear that you can do it the good way, its just much harder

you're a little retarded,right?
Look at the XIX century, for example and see all the things you had to do just to vote.
When we say you need to pay taxes to vote, its a simplification. You have to do lots of other things.

Literally fire any politician that doesnt sign a contract kowtowing to Israel in the US.

It was back in the day possible, because the opposition was inevitably weaker than the would-be rular's power, so he had the chance to do so, but in the current political battlefield, where everyone uses bribing and blackmailing, it's just impossible to be a good man and be a politican at the same time

Both.
Psychopaths and sociopaths love it, the blackmail, threats and impunity will push anybody to become a retard too.

LOL
Are you trolling or just retarded? Psychopaths could do anything they want, but it was almost always stupidity.

kek, then he should say it.

Definitely could operate without corruption. It’s the lobbyists that corrupt politicians. Get rid of lobbyists and the corruption would disappear. Sure so dirty politicians would float to the top like a fatty turd in the bowl... but the turd would be visible

(((Machiavel))), Shlomos? HUEHUE

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there is a difference between bad and devil.
You could take black money from some offshore companys and still want to stop clinton and pizzagate.
The world is not only black and white.

The amount of gibs, attention and power attracts mentally ill imbeciles naturally. And yes, it's a real disease that can be easily diagNOSED.

o que Machiavelli tem a ver con judeus?

The problem is normies are too dumb to not get scammed by high IQ politicians. The average voter is ~102 IQ, and the average President is ~3 standard deviations above that. Thus, the average President knows the average voter better than they know themselves.

Imagine, if you will, an invisible tiger whose bite is painless. That's what it's like to be an average voter: to know the world is full of invisible tigers and to wake up every day with new pieces missing and bite marks and paw prints everywhere but have no idea what went wrong. The only people who can see the invisible tigers are other invisible tigers.

There are plenty of decent people in politics, but the nature of the beast is that nobody has all of the power so the decent people still have to deal with the corrupt ones to get anything done.

Corruption CAN be fought and beaten, but the amount of will required to do so is massive. Ultimately, people receive exactly the government that they deserve.

Yes

The only way out of this fucking mess is a dictator.

Try reading books that aren't 500 years old.

You guys sling that iq thing around like it’s a straight line of truth. I worked in commercial development for years, some contractors specialized in ripping off smart rich professionals. Even though they had high iqs, they were gullible tards

>Is the political system intrinsically corrupt
In the state it currently exists, yes
> any decent person taking a political carreer will end up corrupted by it, or are corruptable people the ones following political carreers, making the system look corrupt?
The personal qualities of the politicians do not matter. The system is corrupt, people being/becoming corrupt in that system is only a consequence.

The only way to make the system uncorruptable is to rip the politicians/clerks/government workers of their civil rights, ban them from leaving the country, limit their and their families wealth to the average persons wealth, get rid of their privacy, and with the use of modern technology constantly monitor their work and their life. Do that or they will do the same, but to you.

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