Heil-ho, Yas Forums, I want to effortpost on guns because I am special and good, and the reddigrants who’ve invaded Yas Forums are neither special nor good. The Second Amendment reads: > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed Libtards and neocons argue the 2A in terms of the words of this law, as in “ackshually, well-regulated means…” and “not so, libtard, because in Jackass vs State of Illinois…”. That way is retarded. I will argue using common sense.
> If people lose faith in the government, the only way they can replace it is by bearing arms against their own government Should be self-explanatory. You’re not voting your way out of Xi’s rule in China.
> Because of this, the people must protect their right to keep and bear arms, both as their backup plan in case of tyranny and as a powerful threat to potential tyrants from ever coming to power Just knowing there are a gorillion armed people in your country will put you off your satanic plans.
> Politicians know that, so they will always be motivated to restrict the people’s right to bear arms. Guns hold politicians accountable. Not just tyrants like knowing the people can’t do anything. Even Joe Asshat would feel great knowing he could raise taxes by 69% with no repercussions.
> Because of the politicians’ motive, you cannot have ANY, and I mean ANY, restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms. Politicians will abuse all of them. > They will make a ban on a certain type of gun apply to everything No super assaulty bad weapons? Everything but your granddaddy’s bolt action is a bad weapon. No high-capacity clip magazines? Two rounds is enough for you. Handguns? Those are just for criminals; you don’t need that.
> They will turn any “reasonable” list of people who are not allowed to own firearms apply to everybody Age restriction? Let’s make that 25, over fighting age. No possession by the mentally ill? Ooh, sorry, telling an n-word joke is a sign of toxic masculinity, a mental diagnosis. No possession by felons? If they had their way, Kavanaugh would be in for rape, a felony. Plus, you could just tell your cops to automatically add “felon” to any background check request.
> They will turn any identifying process into a registration, which facilitates a gun ban Obviously, gun registrations are the most direct way to collect a list of names, addresses, and firearms. Background checks, though, are just as good. “John Q. Public, at 1060 West Addison, just passed two background checks. Alrighty, then, two guns on the list, Johnny Boy.” That’s why it’s so clever when the feds made a list of no-no owners, because there is no way to find out for sure if a buyer is one of them without, you guessed it, a background check. This is why there is a requirement for background checks for private sales too, in some states, because otherwise there’d be gaps in the records.
Jaxson Green
> But in an environment where the right to bear arms is unrestricted, there is the possibility for a “bad guy” to legally get his hands on guns. Therefore, a full right to bear arms can only function in a civilized, well-educated society with hope for the future. Civilized: peaceful, not prone to violence at the first threat. Otherwise, people will buy guns just to shoot each other over crack deals and “whatchu say, wat boi”. Well-educated: knowledgeable about firearms. Self-explanatory. Everyone should go through firearms training in school, but also spend time with guns at home with the family. Hope for the future: a clear prospect of a job, a girl, and a place for your own people. Otherwise you get people (men) who stop caring, check out, and shoot themselves, or have a heated moment at a school.
Adam Sanchez
> But in an environment where the right to bear arms is unrestricted, there is the possibility for a “bad guy” to legally get his hands on guns. Therefore, a full right to bear arms can only function in a civilized, well-educated society with hope for the future. Civilized: peaceful, not prone to violence at the first threat. Otherwise, people will buy guns just to shoot each other over crack deals and “whatchu say, wat boi”. Well-educated: knowledgeable about firearms. Self-explanatory. Everyone should go through firearms training in school, but also spend time with guns at home with the family. Hope for the future: a clear prospect of a job, a girl, and a place for your own people. Otherwise you get people (men) who stop caring, check out, and shoot themselves, or have a heated moment at a school.
This is where Yas Forums comes in. American society is fucked, and we all know (((why))). In this garbage place, diversity is diversiting, and white boys are suffering from that. In this country, the American (white) man has no country (because it’s everybody’s), no history (it’s racist), no culture (that’s also racist), no girl (you rapist), no job (done by an immigrant or sent abroad), and no hope for the future (minority by 2040, folks). In this environment, the “American” people cannot sustain gun rights because they will make a massive and perpetual mess of things. Not only will politicians get cleared out every darn day, rendering governing of any kind impossible. They will also clear each other out over drugs, over dem grills, over mo welfayr, over >tfw no gf. Things only work when you recognize guns are the emergency plan, not a lifestyle.
Parker Murphy
Yes, the 2nd is both an individual and collective right. However, I want to push back against this "armed populace resists tyranny". This is extremely simplistic to the point of being wrong. Where are the 2A folks resisting the tyranny happening now? Where the fuck are they? They are either too lazy, or too scared. Meanwhile, countries that outlawed guns have rebelled. I think more than anything, the 2A is a false sense of security that has given people in this country leeway to just sit on their asses and do nothing.
Benjamin Sullivan
Here's a much shorter rebuttal to those who argue against the 2nd Amendment as a matter of law.
To summarize: > Guns good for remove gummit > Guns only good when people don’t shoot each other in the meantime
Jordan Baker
Ok, first off, I don't mind if you have a shotgun or even a bolt action. But what the hell do you need a fucking machinegun for? What do you want, a goddamn raygun too?
Shit, did I accidentally time travel back to 1985, or are you just retarded?
Jose Young
>Guns hold politicians accountable. This is the interesting thing, and the paradox of America. Irish, Slavs, Hungarians, Italians, Iberians, Basques, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, and arguably Balts & Finns have less access to the means of Resistance than Americans do. Yet they possess something that Americans lack. And this is best described as the 'Social Infrastructure of Revolution' What is this in general? It is the mental and social networks and feelings of rootedness that allow for effective insurgency and revolt. We witness this in the Irish insurgency against British occupation, the Hungarian revolt against the USSR, and the Basque insurgency against Madrid. Americans, sadly, lack the rootedness bourn out of centuries of habitation in a region to do this. Likewise, we lack the spirit of Revolt that is bourn out of iron fisted repression.
The next time Americans do rise up against tyranny, it will be a slow process. But once the enemy begins striking down in anger against civilians, then America will develop a true national spirit of Revolution and God protect the inhuman monsters who are doing this crime to Americans.
Colton Reyes
It's bait, leafboy. Bait's supposed to be your lifeblood.
Because there are a lot of you assholes that want to take guns so I might need a rapid-fire solution soon. >AND FUCK YEA RAYGUN
Nolan Barnes
>This is extremely simplistic to the point of being wrong. Where are the 2A folks resisting the tyranny happening now? Where the fuck are they? They are either too lazy, or too scared. i would argue that they are scared because they are outgunned. i wouldn't be scared of big daddy government if i had some grenade launchers and an tank. we need all of the rights, guaranteed in the constitution, to be recognized by the government.
Cameron Russell
>People in a different country are fat too >This somehow has something to do with politics in America Okay, retard.
Brody Watson
You say that as if this particular subject of debate isn't filled with crazy/stupid bullshit on a daily basis.
> But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Key phrase is > long train of abuses We've gone soft, I'll tell you that. Things seem okay to most people. The (((interests))) make sure it seems okay on television, and in the movies, and in the media. I have to say, I'm not sure whether people will ever stop putting up with the abuses. Then again, historically only 3% of any people needs to be actively dedicated to La Revolucion to make it happen.
Eli Hernandez
Banning machine guns was as illegal in '85 as banning shit is now, though. That 'ban' should have been grounds to replace the then-current gov with a functioning one.
Aaron Torres
nice post user
Austin Hughes
>what the hell do you need a fucking machinegun for? supressing fire. modern gun fighting tactics rely on having full auto. it's bullshit that civilians can't purchase modern full auto rifles and pistols.
Lincoln Green
The Hughes amendment didn't even pass vote, but was included in the final bill anyway.
Jonathan Thomas
point is, a population with fed bellies are never going to go against the current world order.
Oh, I know. I don't argue with those people. If you look at it in terms of morons not knowing their own Constitution and History, you'll lose your mind. If you look at it in terms of cucks being cucks, it makes sense. What do you think a weak, anti-American, soiwashed "boy" will think in terms of his own freedom and defense?
William Kelly
I got so angry at that "vote". The fat jew that passed it called a voice vote, heard a clear "no", wrote "yes", got forced to call a digital vote, saw a unanimous "no" from Republicans and an over-half "no" from Democrats (!), and wrote "yes" anyway. Talk about a wall-punching moment.
>Where are the 2A folks resisting the tyranny happening now? There is no tyranny happening now, and never was. States are beginning to re-open.
>Meanwhile, countries that outlawed guns have rebelled. What?? Who? Why?
Jason Russell
I never implied they would.
Hard times make even soft men strong. The interesting thing about technology is that it favors the insurgent. 3% would be lovely. But interestingly enough, it is not necessary to destroy an economically centralized regime.
Sebastian Cook
>Ok, first off, I don't mind if you have a shotgun or even a bolt action. But what the hell do you need a fucking machinegun for? What do you want, a goddamn raygun too? I'll bite. Yes, as well as grenades, C4, Claymore mines, literal fucking bombs, tanks, weaponized drones etc. I'll consider drawing the line at nuclear warheads.
Robert Wright
>I'll consider drawing the line at nuclear warheads. don't give them an inch.
David Wilson
>>Meanwhile, countries that outlawed guns have rebelled. >What?? Who? Why?
One I can think of is the Ukraine, during the 2014 Clankening. Having no guns just allows the state to corner you faster, which is basically a forced acceleration. Still, though, that doesn't disprove the need for gun rights. The Ukies would be doing a lot better if they were armed, and maybe they wouldn't even be in this situation if they were armed before.
Joshua Reyes
> tfw you will never hear the NRA actually defend your rights for once > tfw you will beyond never hear the NRA say that a nuclear warhead is a militia weapon
Aiden Hill
A good comparison to make, here, is Finland.
Parker Price
Even the most reckless militia is more responsible than the US government. If anyone DOESN'T deserve nukes, it's Washington DC.
Logan Carter
>They will turn any “reasonable” list of people who are not allowed to own firearms apply to everybody At the moment there are too many legitimate uses for this. Get rid of nogs and this is doable.
Camden Williams
No mass shooter has ever been a member of the NRA. Coincidence?
Cameron Sanchez
>One I can think of is the Ukraine, during the 2014 Clankening. Having no guns just allows the state to corner you faster, which is basically a forced acceleration. Still, though, that doesn't disprove the need for gun rights. The Ukies would be doing a lot better if they were armed, and maybe they wouldn't even be in this situation if they were armed before.
If the Ukrainians were armed, they would have defended their government and the Israeli-funded Obama opposition would have been crushed. It was ridiculous that Ukraine was fielding cops with sticks and shields and the coup forces had rifles supplied by Israel and the United States.
