Despite what some may claim, America First and ethnonationalism are not the same movements...

I support both

Not an ethnonationalist but..
because of the destruction of discourse by the left the only viable option, which immigrants and foreigners already align with is ethnic group identity.
Without nationalist there can only be group identities like that.
Not that it is good because of how America was created but that is what it will come down to.

The culture war is irrelevant. These people are looting privileges for themselves based on race not culture.

The culture war is perfectly relevant. In order to achieve your goals you must either convince the population to abide by them or remove them from the equation, and a race war in modern America is not something any side is going to meaningfully win.

America First

I’d rather compromise with something bearable than lose myself in fantasy.

That's just basic civnat shit. The mainstream GOP has been taking that approach for decades. Has it worked?

How different would things be today if Pat won in 1992?

You've effectively lost the plot if you believe it's a matter of conversion. People will believe what is most prudent not what is moral or true. You can't convince a Black collectivist that in your society he benefits more than in his own community. It's a complete waste of time and energy you could be spending coming to terms with the racial reality of the situation instead. I doubt you will take this to heart though - this is a learned position not one that is taught. Might take you a few more years of slamming your head against a brick wall but you will all come around when it becomes obvious no one is playing by your so called rules anymore.

So spot on, user.

They can, but those that are are of the extreme minority and not really relevant. If they were to become more numerous I could theoretically be open to alliances but in the end they are for their community like I am for mine. That's not to mean antagonism but we can never live together, we are too alien for each other.

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Well said!

Different, my friend.

>The culture war is irrelevant.
culture is all you have, without culture you're nothing.

Culture is the way people identify anyone. Culture is implied when people talk about nationalities, even religious identities like Muslim implies Islam has absorbed the function of culture. The way of life is reinforced through religious rites and doctrine.
>These people are looting privileges for themselves based on race not culture.
It usually takes a generation or two for people to integrate correctly into another culture.
You can be a loyalist which is great but massive immigration is a bad idea and the people who advocate for massive immigration are always treasonous.

>There are many people of non-European descent who support America First.
Yes, this is the problem when the MSM and the left Openly rejects civic nationalism and the relevance of culture. The next step is something like ethnic group identity and it is endemic to all societies because it humans identify by group identity.

Ideological group identities are the weakest
regional group identitets with a common culture like American has become is one of the strongest.

I support both. America First is pragmatic, and with it in power whites will be better off. I also support an ethnostate because America will be dead in 100 years.

Did I say that they must adopt your goals? No, I didn’t. I said they must be convinced to abide by them. You do not have to convince anyone to agree with you, only that disagreement is fruitless. This too is a possible outcome of the culture war, and one you cannot ignore. You can’t simply expect to establish an ethnostate without accounting for resistance.

>Can an American of black, Latino, etc. background not be for reducing immigration, defending borders, economic nationalism, America First foreign policy, anti-political correctness?
They should be, the alternative is being destructive and treasonous.

I've studied a lot of places around the world, if i moved to Asia i wouldn't identify as an Asian because i am a Norwegian.
I wouldn't want to change it either, just to accommodate for me, that would be selfish and dumb.
If i permanently moved i would swear allegiance to that country tho, and i would become culturally invested and entangled in the country. I think there is value in that.

The left rejects history, culture and tradition. They despise any form of group identity that doesn't conform to their ideological standards. I believe they do that because they want globalization of politics and trade.
There is no reason to play their game.

You highly overestimate the value of culture in a multiracial society. I would argue that most non-whites take part in a paralel culture - one that's values are antithetical to your civic nationalism and it promises non-whites more goodies. You aren't going to affect any meaningful change if you believe this is a crisis of culture we find ourselves in. People vote along racial lines and often for racial reasons. Culture will always and has always taken second fiddle to race.

Civic nationalism of whites working with non-whites is doomed to fail because non-whites have effectively created their own big tent civic nationalism with the explicit goal being the destruction of whites.

The issue with this is that America is not, and has never been, Norway. She has always imported genetic stock from other parts of the globe. The only unifying traits among Americans have been philosophical ones- cultural ones. America is too large and too populous for any other solution to be practical. We killed the people who were born here and built a superpower from their bones; the only unifying factor between the waves of people who did so was only ever a desire to do so.

>Civic nationalism of whites working with non-whites is doomed to fail because non-whites have effectively created their own big tent civic nationalism with the explicit goal being the destruction of whites.
Correct. There's even been an entire race invented to accomplish what leftists blame whites of doing - specifically the "people of color" construct which is a specific creation of a power seeking people.

>I'm America First because ethnonationalism is bad optics. If you're white and wish to be politically active you have to present in a way that's accepted by polite society. If you're not white this rule doesn't apply.
If you want to be accepted by the Republican party, yes.

>To preserve culture, not race. There are many people of non-European descent who support America First. We will not win the culture war if we fight for whites only; it is simply inconceivable.
The 'culture' AF promotes is cringey. Racist jokes, bar humor and civic patriotardism aren't the foundation of a healthy worldview. A healthy worldview is one which promotes a coherent and cohesive ethnic group.

I don't know if Buchanan would have changed much if he managed to win in 1992. He didn't have an infrastructure of support capable of challenging the dominant soft powers. You need not only the government but the academic institutions, legal and professional organizations, education system, labor, and capital all on your side.

"a house divided cannot stand."

I support revolution / civil war

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>You highly overestimate the value of culture in a multiracial society.
No. This is my field.
I think people misinterpret culture for something else. Culture is too big for most people to take in. That's why cultural integration is extremely difficult to achieve and why multiculturalism will always fail. (note. multiculturalism is not the same as co-existence)

>Culture will always and has always taken second fiddle to race.
Without cultural identity we wouldn't even understand concepts such as race because we would still be pondering how to smash rocks together.
Maybe it's different in Canada and America but i'm willing to bet that a Canadian has more in common with someone from Canada than someone from France or Germany or Poland, in terms of points of reference.
>I would argue that most non-whites take part in a paralel culture
There is a lot of pseudo research about migration out of African into Europe but everything points to a very limited cultural exchange if anything at all.
Sub Sharan African cultures has very little in common with European and Asian cultures. This is correlated in genetics.
As much as i love racial differences, it is the cultural differences that is most interesting because it shows us how we developed.

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