Why is almost all western military tech outdated aside from the meme that is stealth America still uses conventional single rotor attack/support helicopters along with every other NATO member the f18 is outdated compared to russian and chinese aircraft the f22 is probably good but it doesnt have nearly enough units to be useful the A10 is only a viable weapon against nations that don't have an air force or AA weapons and tanks such as the challenger m1 abrams and Ariete are old and becoming obsolete
>pic related is probably the best multirole helicopter in the world
>outdated >single rotor design >requires tail for flight >gunner and pilot not next to eachover >no ejection system >can't carry 24 ATGM >lack of extensive boron composite armour plating
Ryan Reyes
I like Russian tech, rugged machines designed for real WW2 style all out wars.
Charles Moore
LoL still using helicopters. Google Tic tac ufo... It's okay you tried
Connor Jones
Modern russian designed vehicles are made for full firepower survivability and ease of repair unlike western vehicles which sadly over engineer and add useless features against what they are actually going to be fighting
Oliver Ramirez
Based schizo retard
Matthew Walker
Hello Chang, sweating bullets about the coming destruction of your country yet again?
>outdated It gets regular upgrades, the AH-64 today is not the one that was first released, why change an entire platform instead of individually upgrading components/segments, seeing what works/doesn't, and iterating? Lower costs and chance of failure. >single rotor design So what? Double rotor designs require more maintenance. >requires tail for flight Lower maintenance. >gunner and pilot not next to eachover So what, it's easier to shoot both of them at the same time in a side-by-side, also it increases the radar signature >no ejection system OK, taken I guess >can't carry 24 ATGM It can use 16x Hellfires >lack of extensive boron composite armour plating If you get hit by AA missiles you're usually fucked anyways
Austin Phillips
>Chang OK paki you can leave my country now
Ian Powell
The post-soviet planners fell for meme insurgency ideas while the ex-soviet ones kept building on solid mass scale war strategies.
Carter Ramirez
F-22 / B-2 / Naval Artillery /ICBMs Also the fuck knows what they have in space already. Game over, really.
Aiden Butler
It's about fielding enough modern hardware. Russians would have a few comparable pieces to USA but largely obsolete. USA would field older stuff that's been tried, tested and upgraded like the Abrams en masse.
We don't need to develop new platforms all the time, our infrastructure extends the life of platforms. Russia or China will just continually make new platforms to catch up with stuff USA just upgrades
Carson Morris
>regular upgrades Obviously it gets regular upgrades but you can only upgrade a vehicle so much before you can't anymore >double rotor The double rotor design is actually easier to repair and isn't as maintenance heavy it also simplifies the design allowing costs to be lower the design also increases power efficency >lower maintenance Requiring a tail increases the maintenance >increases radar sig and easier to shoot The pilots being next to eachover allows them to read instruments better and sight targets the increased radar sig doesn't matter for a helicopter >16x hellfires It isn't 24 VIKHR or ATAKA with 2x/4x AA missiles >AA missiles will fuck it No shit it's to keep the crew alive the heli can be replaced but trained crews can take years the armour plating on the ka52 can stop up to a 37mm making it immune to small arms and some AA guns
Hudson Moore
coaxial rotors are frail, expecially from all those long control rods. the italians small mangusta helicopter have the absolutely most protected rotor hub n shit of every attack helis. side by side arrangment don't work and it's gay, utility elicopters are native in side by side arrangment, but when a gunship it's derived from them the arrangment it's always stepped tandem, se ah-1 cobta devoleped from uh-1, or mangust from the a109, or the rooivalk derived by puma, or the mi-24 in which the rare A version it's aide by side but the iconic following version are of stepped tandem layout. ejectjon system it's a nice way to burn an additonal half million dollar for each pilot, ejection seat becsme avnecessity only in jet age for obvious reasons... kmov ka 50 missiles are kind of suckish because of the beam riding laser technology (has some pro) so you need more of them compred to chad suredeath hellfire. boron composite armor, means nothing, boron fiber was used in america for the f-14 vertical stabilizer, something like more than 50 years ago. Whatever tech russia/china have now, it's less of what the US had in early 80s. the abpuslte stage of technological gap.
Ryan Roberts
>F22 Yeah I did say it's good but it doesnt have the production numbers >B2 With better radar it's going to go the way of the F117 soon if it gets spotted in combat it's fucked since its a subsonic aircraft with low manouverability >Naval artillery This isn't ww2 port strikes by ship guns aren't effective anymore it's too risky to get a ship close enough for its guns to fire HE >ICBM Russia already has mach 5 missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads but not china >space shit Can't comment on that until war breaks out and we see fucking orbital lasers
Andrew Ortiz
Side by side arrangement for attack helicopters is fucking stupid The whole point of the front and back seat arrangement is to make the attack helicopter slimmer, and thus harder to hit.
Aaron Russell
Oh because you think that is all the vehicles the US army has? Its not like they keep secrets or anything unlike the CIA...
Sebastian Carter
> F-22 Currently, this is the most advanced production 5th Gen Aircraft, by a wide margin. The Russians are probably the closest, but are still behind and their 5th gen fighters are having problems and aren't as widely produced. Also, this was developed 20 years ago and the US is certainly working on secret 6th and 7th gen aircraft.
These are aircraft for very specific roles which they still perform extraordinarily well. They fill the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it niche."
> M-1 Abrambs This tank has been in service for almost 40 years and is now finally becoming long in the tooth. That said, it can still go toe-to-toe with any current main battle tank from any other country. 4th Gen tanks are being developed by other countries, but these are still in early development, are mostly being developed by allies, and they're undboutedly using technology that we'll be using in future tanks, or can use to retrofit onto Abrams (another advantage of the Abrams is that it was meant to be forward compatible to be retrofitted).
Jose Walker
I don't care how shit this thing may be it still looks nice as far as helicopters go
>The pilots being next to eachover allows them to read instruments better and sight targets Apache having tandem gunner gives better field of view and the gunner targets with helmet mounted targeting system. He can't do that if the pilot is blocking one of his sides. And while the Apache can't carry as much ATGM it has a much better turret mounted cannon so it can aim and shoot while moving and not be a sitting duck or have to charge head on into enemy fire.
Hunter Perry
There's tons of research going into the Aerospace field currently, especially with Shape Memory Alloys. The issue is that research takes time, but time costs money. Thus, short bursts of research are done to marginally improve current systems until the next generation.
Joshua Sanchez
Coaxial rotors being frail is a valid point but from the range it would be fighting it's not as big of an issue the side by side arrangement was what was chosen as the kamov was designed as a recon and attack heli The ka52 also utilises more advanced missiles than the ka50 although they are classified and hellfires aren't sure death against anything new such as the new t90 models or Amarta the ejection system used in the ka52 doesn't cost that much as not as much force is required to push the pilots out safely unlike jets travelling at 900-1400kph The boron carbide composite used in the ka52 is different to the American boron composite used as some parts of it are classified there isn't much info on the armour protection but the ka52 at least has 50mm protecting the cabin
Owen Roberts
I suspect the Pentagon has some tricks up their sleeve. They seem so belligerent with Russia; even more belligerent than during the Cold War, I suspect they actually want a conflict and expect to come out on top.
They don't have any tricks up their sleeve, no more than Nigeria or Mexico do.
Adrian Stewart
The apache was built for vietnam style combat not the current combat it will face in the future The 30mm gun used on the apache is useless for any high intesity combat you won't get close enough to make use of the gun unlike the ka52 semi fixed HV 30mm cannon The the tandem gunner design will not he useful in any conflicts against other nations as the apache requires another aircraft to lase targets for it oitisde its intended range unlike the ka52
Jeremiah Turner
because it turned into a glorified money laundering scam
Jacob Taylor
The things you know about are outdated The things they're really using are so effed up they would cause your reality box to implode / cause psychosis among people
Jason Gonzalez
Nobody ever carried the full missile load out anyway, the extra weight fucks the fuel endurance.
Nathaniel Sanders
>Project Thor is an idea for a weapons system that launches telephone pole-sized kinetic projectiles made from tungsten from Earth's orbit to damage targets on the ground > system described in the 2003 United States Air Force report[7] was that of 20-foot-long (6.1 m), 1-foot-diameter (0.30 m) tungsten rods that are satellite-controlled and have global strike capability, with impact speeds of Mach 10 >In the case of the system mentioned in the 2003 Air Force report above, a 6.1 m × 0.3 m tungsten cylinder impacting at Mach 10 has a kinetic energy equivalent to approximately 11.5 tons of TNT (or 7.2 tons of dynamite) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
Landon Campbell
The problem with tank warfare is the role of the main battle tank is becoming obsolete. These new generation of tanks are so expensive the countries building them can barely build any and they still can get fucked by aircraft. They will always have a use, usually in tandem with troops but honestly a cheaper but robust tank is needed. It won't be the hammer or tip of the spear like a main battle tank but would you rather have 100 M-1s or 1000 cheaper tanks? The Abram costs around 7-8 million a piece. Why not build a tank for 1 million?
Aaron Thomas
Manned aircraft was so 20th century. No wonder Britain needs to be an island to survive.
Jaxson Walker
Nigga we got tic tacs
Henry Johnson
This is mil-shill cope posting. The US is a dumb nigger country. There is no space force. There is no super secret tech. What you see is what you get. They're resorting to doubling down on overpressure magnum rounds with tungsten penetrators [when they don't have sufficient tungsten reserves] because they're expecting to be overrun and have to fight domestic insurgents with civilian plates.
Levi Fisher
Is this the helicopter on which you can accidentally poke your gun barrel through the bottom?
Carson Rivera
>F22 I'll give you that >A10 B52 The a10 is not useful for anything high intensity against nations with good AA systems it's too slow and sluggish if they made a version capable of at least reaching 1200kph that could solve quite a few issues the B52 is another weapon like the TU95 bear that's more or less flying prog and a pieces it's too vulnerable to be in combat or do bombing missions the apache I've already node but I'm not well versed in the MD 500 so I can't comment >M1 abrams The abrams can stand with newer vehicles like the amara in some regard but it's becoming very obselote in some areas most importantly the gun it still uses the L/44 a gun from the 70s and maximum length for the sabot rounds used has been reached so it's gonna need to be upgraded to at least the l/55 if not the 140mm prototype should revived as the gun far exceeded the 120mm another major issue is the weight it's close to 80 tons now and becoming heavier with every upgrade and as such requires more preparation when crossing some areas such as bridges as it's too heavy along with transporting the tanks gonna get harder
Juan Sullivan
Even if China and Russia have some aircraft, which may be able to outperform ours, what they lack is TTPs and training. Heavy reliance on GCI/ACI, Chang cannot operate his aircraft without it, and would be fucked in a situation in which he needs to operate autonomously. Our intel collecting assets are also way better than theirs which are shitty and even more outdated.
Asher Wright
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Jacob Bennett
B52 and Tu95 are flying propaganda pieces
Luis Nelson
are mexico and nigeria run by warlock masons? satanism is their wildcard.
Eli Davis
lol is their job to start threads from UK ip addresses about defense contractor shit? why not just literally BAE or other corps doing it? lockheed might as well post on here too to shill for shit. why not?
Lincoln Myers
Convincing people they have secret technology is a tactic. They don't.
David Price
I'm totally 100% a defence contractor shill also fuck these captchas I just did 5 to post this