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Learning math and physics can definitely lead to seeing God as Spinoza did: the workings and structure of the universe form a gigantic unified thing far beyond your control or comprehension.

At the same time, it's impossible to believe in a personal God who watches over you and cares about you. I was never a believer in that anyway, but I still remember the moment in physics 101 when I realized, "So it's confirmed: if I'm up on a roof, and I lean out too far, prayer really won't stop me from falling."

STEM has nothing to say about theological or philosophical questions, and the foremost delusions of modernity are due to the misapplication of science to disciplines unrelated to it. The scientific characteristics of Natural Philosophy were diverged into their own specialized fields for a reason, but power over small minds is easy to come by when it's all mixed up and cross-extrapolated. It doesn't help that the elite promote religious experts who tend to be fucking retards who favor literal interpretations of stories seen as metaphors or parables even in the immediate centuries of their creation. It's all a farce for power's sake, and none of it will matter in 500 years.

I've gone through a few stages.
> Raised conservative Lutheran
> K-12 schooling all Lutheran schooling
> High school ignored or discredited evolution
> Science is from God, math is for adding numbers

College starts
> Go to large liberal school for STEM degree
> Holy shit, look at all this forbidden knowledge
> Science is dope, math is still for adding numbers but proofs are hard
> Become disillusioned with Christianity
> Wow, math gets really cool once abstract concepts get introduced.

Start STEM MS degree
> Math can describe an incredible amount
> Start to see value in religion because it provides a sort of understanding of the world
> If we can model the world with math, do we need religion?

A few years later
> Freeman Dyson was right again; math IS the language that nature speaks
> Our models of the physical world are incomplete; why? What are we missing?
> If science seeks to answer questions about the world, why can't we use science to openly research the existence of God?
> Why do so many scientists vocally identify as atheistic, when atheism is a belief system itself?

Now
> God is causality
> Math models causality
> To understand math is to become closer to God

Physicsfag here.
To me its now very obvious that god is somewhat real, but it definitely isnt what most plebs think god is, but instead its just generally "the order of the universe" ie all the physical laws plus the laws of logic (including mathematics). We shouldnt worship that god, and we especially shouldnt think of him as an old dude or a sassy black lady or an inifinity of greek manchildren, but we should strive to figure out as much as we can to get closer to him in the time that we have.
The god defined as the sum of all natural laws perfectly qualifies as what a god should be, in that they are eternal, unprovable, way beyond the comprehension of any single human and all that jazz. You cant see it directly, you can only believe in them and work with them. Like you can chose not to believe that gravity is a thing, but good luck doing anything useful with that like calculating the statics for a house or a bridge let alone send stuff into space.
Thankfully this god is a very merciful god, in that even if you chose not to believe in things like gravity, it will still keep you bound to this planet and alive...

Another very serious epiphany is realizing that both free will and the soul are made up things, which is a tough pill for many to swallow. We are, as hard as it is to see for us, just more complex animals, which are in turn just more complex life forms, which are then only more complex processes than others that happen because god/ the natural laws allow it, but only in the exact way that they allow it. We cannot deviate in any way from the path set out by the universe, but of course thats no reason to not want to live and explore it, because even if everything is doomed to never be able to reach total understanding of god, we can at least make an effort to get further than other things in the universe like rabbits, trees or the saturn-moon titan can.
By that sadly I mean that we either will or wont. Not that we have a choice.

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Have this hanging on my wall, sort of as a cynical substitute for a cross...
I like the reasoning and if I remember correctly the existence of god definitely follows from the axioms. However "existence is good" is an axiom that I dont blame anyone for not accepting. You can believe that, and then the existence of good follows from that, but it does bring you back to the same position in that you have to believe...

Surprisingly, yes. Encountering the obscene arrogance prevalent in higher education, made me appreciate humble understatements, over self-aggrandizing showmanship. Inflated egos irk me way more than before, and I think people would be well served by being morally dissuaded from inflicting their imagined superiority onto others.

>physics 101
t. Doesn’t understand quantum mechanics

Hans is on the money. We model observations using a methodology known as the scientific method. As for religion, there is absolutely nothing another can say or do to tune your beliefs one way or another, it all comes from within. For me, as I've gotten older I have come back to my Catholic faith, and whether it is a consequence of advancing my scientific career and knowledge or just a consequence of living a life I cannot know certainly enough to comment on it.

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>believing that real numbers exist
user...

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scientists found out our dna has a message from god written in it but you won't ever see that information spreading.

First line of the message is "god eternal within the body" and they havn't figured out how to decode the rest yet.

Our bodies are gods temple.

Holy shit, it’s not everyday that you encounter a midwit of this stature!

chemistry —> medicine
It increased especially during medical school.

Science will not get you closer to god.

Science will, if you are not a complete retard, help you understand that the fact that humans have "magical thinking" namely "faith" is not a "bug" of the human species but a feature.

Wanting humans to stop having faith is like wanting for them to walk with their hands instead of their legs, or trying to make them live underwater, or wanting them to stop eating meat and start eating bugs or veggies.

I realised science is a sham full of mentally ill people with superiority complexes. It made me more religious.

Psychologist irl
Went to a Catholic kindergarten, primary school and highschool. I never really believed it but when I turned 15 I started to dislike the religion even more, I got builled for questioning the teacher in religious education and had no friends because of it. I became kinda atheist for a few years.
Three years ago I just decided not to care too much if there is a god and just focus on the beauty of nature. Since I've been studying psychology you encounter what's labelled the dark arts, the stuff you'd call psychic. I was always under the belief it was fake because I was trained as a scientist and instantly dismissing it was normal. I then looked into some psychic studies and realised their research is more rigorous than 99% of psychological studies. Now I believe some psychic stuff to be true although difficult to prove conventionally, yet backed up by mathematical principles.

Now I kinda believe there probably is a God or something that's higher than us and something higher than that for a few iterations. I got into Buddhism and daoism and found its a much better path and explainer than other beliefs, for me at least.

Whilst I'm alive, I'm not caring too much about the existence of a god/s or appeasing them. I'm just gonna live a happy care free life without corruption or evil and be certain about the things I'm doing. I'll just follow my path and be true to it.

Nothing Changed. Science isn't a religion for people that actually work in the field. It's a religion for people that are worthless and need an identity.

so your tapping into the same power faith healers use when your trying to solve differential eqs

to me science and math got nothing to do with religion

>i flunked all my courses and had to drop out 4 months into the first year

The best part of science is that implications and intentions don't matter. Consequences and results do.

M.S Chemistry, I love watching all of these consequences during our time.

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>the more obvious it is that god is real...
and the more physics you understand, the more obvious he isn't.

Whenever I do math, I tend to tap into a conspiratorial part of me, which treats everything as interconnected. By appealing to my innate sense of beauty, I can device elegant ways of capturing the problem, so that the solution emerges on its own. Ramanujan said an equation had no meaning to him unless it expresses a thought of god.

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