Remdesevir FLOPS

Yep. I believe no vaccination would be possible, specifically because of all the insertions put into that viral monstrosity.
I'm wondering if, somewhere down the road, it will be reclassified as an auto-immune disease, a disorder that flares-up when your system is run down.

I wish idiots would stop assuming that there will be a vaccine in 2021.

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There are hundreds of different strains of flu, which is why making a universal vaccine is close to impossible.

In many countries you can get a flu shot which is adjusted to the current yearly strain, as WHO and other medical organisations monitor the migration of the viruses (e.g. they look into the southern hemisphere common strain and ship the appropriate vaccine to countries in the northern hemisphere and vice versa, as flu seasons are polar opposite in those regions).

>no evidence
every virus played out exactly that way, what makes you think that this one will be different?

hydroxychloroquine has 70 years of use to back up the fact that it is not a dangerous drug. very interesting coincidences with the news surrounding this drug. almost like they have a vested interest in seeing it not work......

>vaccine won’t work
We currently have 60-100 realistic vaccine projects and 300 half serious ones. Surely some will work, but it could be 2 years until mass availability. Which means it will be mostly over until than anyway. It just shows how much money we put into helping Africa, spend on economic migrants, waste for incompetent politicians/teachers, spend on securing Israel and giving aid to Israel, diversity in general, invest in surveillance of the new citizens and bail out banks and huge international cooperations with. Truth is it’s not easy to have anti virals, especially not broad spectrum once. Drop credentialism and affirmative action and spend a significant amount of the money on developing them. It’s easy, but truth is our politicians don’t care and there are enough dumb people to still elect them, because they want signal or think everything should stay like it is, which isn’t working anyway.

Tinfoil hat: engaged
Suppose that governments have already done private studies (they do this) and already came to conclusions and just want to see how honest the public sector is?

>Hydroxychloroquine has been proven to be useless
It hasn't. The studies that it's failing in don't give zinc with it. It only works with zinc. One study that was recently spammed all over the news was literally written by a doctor with a patent on a competing COVID-19 treatment and done by researchers funded by Gilead.
Researchers are intentionally doing bogus hydroxychloroquine studies with pre-determined outcomes for political and financial reasons.
>and harmful to many people
We've known for like 50 years it can cause heart problems in some people. This is not new news. It is up to doctors to determine if the well-understood, 50 year old risk/benefit profile of this medication in individual cases is worth giving the medicine.

So what? Just because it is prescribed to people it means that the efficacy has been proven? Find me a single peer-reviewed double blind empirical study that shows that HCQ is really working. Otherwise you are talking out of your ass.

April 23 (Reuters) - Gilead Sciences Inc's experimental coronavirus drug failed its first randomised clinical trial, the Financial Times reported on Thursday, citing draft documents published accidentally by the World Health Organization.

Okay, provide me a single peer-reviewed study that shows the efficacy of HCQ with ZINC. Until you do, it’s a sugar-pill

>very interesting coincidences with the news surrounding this drug
Yeah, like this. Note the Gilead part in this image, too.
The powers that be are in full damage control mode regarding hydroxychloroquine, trying to shut it down, because:
- Orange man said it's good, orange man bad, so it must be bad;
- The pandemic ending is good for orange man's reelection chances;
- The pandemic NOT ending could cause societal collapse enabling communism to take over;
- Big Pharma can't get rich off COVID-19 if its primary treatment ends up being a cheap, out of patent drug like hydroxychloroquine

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I have personally prescribed hydroxychloroquine to a load of people and haven't seen any harmful effects. Not clear it does much good either though.
>caused by many different viruses
Including SARS-CoV2, which is a completely insignificant illness for nearly everyone. In common usage, what we call "the flu" and what we call "a cold" ends up depending mainly on the severity rather than the particular virus involved

I don't believe there has been one yet. I believe this is likely intentional.
abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/
This is a doctor actually treating people on the front lines with it.
>"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
>He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
It only works with zinc because it is a zinc ionophore. It works by opening a pathway into cells for the virus to get into cells and interfere with the virus's ability to replicate:
youtu.be/AToF8O5T86s?t=301
Also, it is most useful early on in the disease progression. The studies I'm seeing saying it doesn't work or has mixed results are mostly dealing with severely ill patients. I believe this is also likely intentional.

There will not be a vaccine or cure for it. Mark my words.

Only way to win the chinese virus is not to be a nigger and get one in the first place.

I guess some Trump voters truly are fucking stupid. Yeah, great idea, let’s purposefully prolong the devastating effects of the coronavirus while also rolling out a new drug that fails in the first round of trials. That shit also tanked Gilead’s share price by 7% in a single day. Nice conspiracy there, friend.

>until we all get vaccinated
nice presupposition, faggot

>I believe this is also likely intentional.
I'm with you on that. It's been obvious from the start

>Big Pharma can't get rich off COVID-19 if its primary treatment ends up being a cheap, out of patent drug like hydroxychloroquine

This is the main point to be taken into consideration. If I get sick I'm asking for a HCQ treatment, 15 euros for 100 tabs 200mg.

>Cardillo told Eyewitness News
Nice source there, friend. Look, I want the drug to work, but we cannot say that until we get a peer-reviewed empirical study. Accept it and move on.

There is no grand conspiracy, in the 80s they assumed that HCQ could be used to get rid of the flu, but it backfired just like it is doing now.

Is this the VA study?

hidroxicloroquine + azitromicine + zinc works.

Source : I am a medfag and treated over 20 patients with it, aging from 26-60 yo none needed to be hospitalized or ventilated. They are all fine now.

The trick is to treat early. Don't know about long term immunity though, that could still be a problem, but we don't know for now.

>Hydroxychloroquine has been proven to be useless and harmful to many people
Show your sources.

>let’s purposefully prolong the devastating effects of the coronavirus
Almost everything else the communist media and commiecrats do these days seems explicitly designed to destroy America, so why not this too? It's not far-fetched at all when you study recent media and democrat behavior.
>That shit also tanked Gilead’s share price by 7% in a single day.
Just because remdesivir failed in its first big trial doesn't mean they weren't hoping it wouldn't fail and trying to kill a competing medication while hoping that.
>hopefully worldwide forced vaccination will happen sooner than later
Oh you're just an NWO shill.

>hopefully worldwide forced vaccination will happen sooner than later
>hopefully worldwide forced vaccination will happen sooner than later
>hopefully worldwide forced vaccination will happen sooner than later
EVERYBODY NOTICE THIS. OP IS AN NWO SHILL.

>vaccinated
No one has ever made a successful vaccine for any other type of coronavirus (common cold, SARS, MERS)
There is no reason to think this one will be any different. "Wait for the vaccine" is a meme the (((experts))) are putting out to keep the ignorant public from panicking. There will be no vaccine, or at least not a safe and effective one. Covid-19 will be no different from any other coronavirus, it will be low mortality and seasonally recurring just like the cold and the flu.

The efficacy was proven 3 times a month ago through double blind studies

French millitary hoarded hydroxychloroquine and azithromycine "just in case" this week, but they never hoarded remdesevir "just in case" hahaha, they already know what works, they made tactical stockpile of the drug because, even the army doesn't trust Macron and his "scientific experts" from the who / gilead lobbyists.

Don't discount the anti-Trump bias as playing a huge role here as well. Pic related.
Youtube just took down a completely legitimate medical video about completely legitimate technology which didn't break any of Youtube's rules just because Trump said it might be a good idea.

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Posology please

But other business certainly want to do everything to return to normal, since they are loosing fantastical sums everyday. It’s just unlikely to think it would work, if already the in vitro experiments show there is a reason why it is a malaria treatment and not a anti viral agent. The levels were always to high to assume it would be a decent treatment and every good scientist knew it. It was just a very minimal hope it could have a very good bioavailability and boots the immune system too.

I guess you are one of those retarded anti-vaxxers who made measles come back after being pretty much eradicated in the developed world.

Cocaine, Hash oil and micro dosing Shrooms. Trust me I play a doctor on Twitter.

stop your lies

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It wasn’t produced for the viruses listed by you because they were not as contagious and deadly as COVID. Which is why it made no sense to waste billions of dollars on a vaccine that would not be needed in a matter of months.

>n=20
>youngest patient 26
>oldest patient 60
They likely won’t have had any serious issues anyway. Next to nobody below 65 dies, even if those hospitalized.

I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm against FORCING people to put something into their body which has zero long-term safety/efficacy data behind it.
Should we try to develop a vaccine for this? Absolutely. Should we make sure that there's enough of it available for everyone who wants it? Absolutely. And I'm totally hopeful that this happens and has a huge positive impact on pandemic progression.
Should we FORCE people to put something in their bodies with no long-term safety/efficacy data behind it? Fuck no.
Besides, the moment a vaccine becomes MANDATORY for the whole population is the moment that people capable of critical thinking become suspicious that something other than just a vaccine may be in those injections.

>harmful
No

Wrong. MERS had a much higher fatality rate than SARS-cov2. A vaccine just wasn't possible for it because coronaviruses mutate quickly. Same reason they don't bother with a common cold vaccine.
thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(09)70123-9/fulltext

Death.

medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v3
Heres the double blind

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32205204/
Heres another, try to find a flaw with your pea brain in either
>Inb4 no peer review
That takes an average of 2 years, and I gurantee your singular, retroactive count contradictory study isnt either.

It does actually not mutate quickly. The problem is to trigger a mucosal immune response. The new virus is btw primarily lethal to those with either a genetic or comorbidity-caused tendency for improper oxygen radical scavenging (and the resulting hemolysis and microembolism frying most major organs) ... G6PD-deficiency, diabetes, some other conditions.

Chloriquine has been widely used and available for more than 60 years. Any side effects are rare and usually only manifest after many months of use. It also has the benefit of being very inexpensive. The worst that can happen from people who are already sick with coronavirus being treated with HCQ and zinc is that it simply doesn't make their symptoms go away. Taking it won't hurt them. You're literally advocating a widely available, proven-safe prescription drug (that is currently being utilized to great effect and championed by actual medical doctors on the front line) withheld from sick people because >muh asinine regulatory process. That's completely moronic. Just give people the damn medicine.

Because it was so deadly people could not infect others in the same manner as people do with COVID. Same can be said about ebola, which did not spread that much as people died too quickly.

>just trust the government forcing you to get a vaccine, it's not like your government has ever lied to you before bro
lol
>just trust the scientists who tell you the forced vaccinations are safe, it's not like science is easily manipulated or ever dishonest bro

Actually, I believe the reason MERS wasn't widespread is that its primary transmission mode was camel => human. I believe it was mostly seen in people who spent a lot of time around camels.

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