Uncounted positives are likely 25 to 50 times higher. Each day, America could have 0.5% to 1.0% of the population develop antibodies. End of May, America would be close to herd immunity... and from tomorrow, all of America could be up and running again.
Only old and obese people die of corona anyway, where is America’s war spirit?!
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herd immunity is about as real as the holocaust
My my my. How ignorant you are. We need to keep America closed for at least 4 months so (((they))) can complete (((their))) plans.
>Uncounted positives are likely 25 to 50 times higher.
Or it could be only 2 or 3 times higher.
Nobody knows for sure.
You might be right.
But what if you're wrong and there are 2 million deaths in US?
It's a huge gamble.
>Or it could be only 2 or 3 times higher.
Well, the 5 or 6 antibody studies performed in the US in California, Oregon and NY suggest otherwise.
And no, the tests they used weren’t all made in China.
>And no, the tests they used weren’t all made in China.
Except that the ones on the westcoast were made in China, dipshit.
Secondly antibodies for coronaviruses only last for 8 months usually. Thirdly this particular coronavirus kills T-Cells; so even if you are "immune"... you're not.
More viral load, more dead T-Cells, nothing to kill the virus, "immunity" or not.
DIPSHIT FUCKING MORON.
Recite the specificity of the non-west coast tests (the west-coast ones _were_ made in china). Prove these tests don't trip on other coronaviruses. Prove it dipshit fuck.
> Except that the ones on the westcoast were made in China, dipshit.
I believe only the LA county ones were imported from China. the other 5 studies used FDA approved US made 100% accurate tests.
NY used an FDA approved test developed by Mount Sinai.
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Dr. Krammer reports that the test could be more responsive than others noting, “Our test can pick up from the body’s response to infection, in some cases as early as three days post-symptom onset, and is highly specific and sensitive.” He continued “We have shared the toolkit needed to set the test with more than 200 research laboratories worldwide to help mitigate this global crisis.
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Big if true, but even if the asymptomatic cases are higher, hospitals are still stacking bodies in closets. If we had widespread testing in the US we'd have a better idea, but no such luck yet.
Of course it is true. I have no doubt the 21% antibody positives in New York as of 2 weeks ago is true. It’s likely at 30% now if not going to 40%.
I said:
> Recite the specificity of the non-west coast tests (the west-coast ones _were_ made in china). Prove these tests don't trip on other coronaviruses. Prove it dipshit fuck.
You did not recite the specificity.
Give me the numbers you fucking piece of shit moron.
Ever become immune to the common cold, fucking moron? 2/3rds of colds are from coronaviruses.
You think your antibodies will help?
When your TCells are allready dead?
Wrong, stupid FUCK, the 2 most cited studies used chinese tests.
herd immunity at 330M pop * 60% infected * 0.5% dead = 1 million dead, that is 0.3% of the population, mostly old people
US population in 1945 was 140 million, and WW2 killed 418,500 Americans, or 0.2975% of the population, mostly young men
getting to herd immunity is literally a WW2-tier disaster, except it kills off the useless instead of the useful
They can go for herd immunity any day just by stopping social isolation and getting out there and letting life return to normal.
Most Americans think it’s nothing anyway which is why it’s so perplexing that they are socially isolating at all
Just get out and disrupt their plans bro by stopping isolation
>herd immunity
Unproven with SARS-CoV-2.
So it could make everything SO MUCH WORSE.
is herd immunity even possible with something that is mutagenic like this?
Shhh let the Americans go for herd immunity mate..
>the 2 most cited studies used chinese tests.
By far the New York state study is the one most cited. It’s the largest made today in the US, and the one that really is hard to criticize based on how they did it. It was a state sponsored, large (3000 tests) study using an FDA approved high accuracy, high specifity test that isn’t a 10min one but lab evaluated.
In other words, we really should think this one is kind of correct (it aligns with the German and Dutch results, both also used European made tests, not Chinese ones)
200k positive tested in NY state officially
4 million probably had the virus (20 times more)
20k deaths, 0.5% death rate... likely going to 0.2% with better treatment options
50%+ of people testing positive for antibodies never had any symptoms.
Even hypothetically speaking, say they are accurate. That's still a shitload of people going to die if we just open up
>* 0.5% dead
It’s not 0.5%. We have thr ability with meds, plasma injections etc. to way better treat serious cases now. See Germany. It’s around 0.1% to 0.2% now.
>330million pop
Due to herd immunity, you never get over 250million infected. If you safeguard old and sick people, most people infected are young and healthy, further reducing the death rate.
So we are talking 250k deaths in the US. Sounds bad? Well, they had 80k deaths in a bad flu season (although estimates are 150k actually died of the flu, but never got tested for the flu).
Corona isn’t “just the flu”, but it isn’t Ebola tier either.
>is herd immunity even possible with something that is mutagenic like this?
There are two types of mutations. Very small ones and true mutations that shave off key protein characteristics of the virus. The key surface features of all SARS-2 strains are the same.
b/c we all dont want death by genetic ravage
>If you safeguard old and sick people
that is physically impossible with the herd immunity approach, simply utterly impossible
so is "better treatment", there are no resources to treat so many people
Even a tiny statistical error can completely fuck this. If it's true, sure. But... in America each .1% mortality rate is 200,000 deaths, so... make fucking sure it is what they think it is first
>By far the New York state study is the one most cited. It’s the largest made today in the US, and the one that really is hard to criticize based on how they did it. It was a state sponsored, large (3000 tests) study using an FDA approved high accuracy, high specifity test that isn’t a 10min one but lab evaluated.
Wrong, dipshit, the LA study and the wisconson study are the most cited, and the ones using chinese tests.
Secondly I asked you to recite the specificity of the test: the numbers. Which you didn't, you fucking dipshit.
>50%+ of people testing positive for antibodies never had any symptoms.
And if they get re-exposed to a high viral load the new infection will kill off responding t-cells and it won't matter how many anti-bodies their B-cells make. DO you understand, fucking RETARD?
What do you think the HIV-style spike protein is for, fucking moron? It's so the virus can infect and kill T-Cells too.
Prove the specicifity of these antibody tests to _THIS_ coronavirus, you fuck. Give the numbers, not "it's good, trust me". You don't know the numbers? Get the FUCK OUT you fucking retard. Most antibody tests will trip for any coronavirus antibodyies.
>That's still a shitload of people going to die if we just open up
Yeah, people die all the time. 3 million people die in America each year. Most corona deaths are due to other illnesses, not really corona.
We are talking 3.2 million deaths this year vs 3 million deaths last year. You say “noooo, that’s a disaster”. I say, dude, we all going to die. Some of diabetes and obesity, some of old age, some of suicide, some of car accidents... and yes, a shitload because of viral or bacterial infections. Shutting down a country because of one of these problems is idiotic.
I’d say if there was a chance that 5 million died in America including healthy people, by all means, shut it down. But America is at 50k deaths and likely at 10%+ nationwide people with antibodies. And we now have drugs and plasma treatments etc. to increase chances of recovery. So even if 50%-70% of America gets it, it is likely not going beyond 200k deaths.
They estimate 100k deaths already now AT LEAST
FDA badically approves every single antibody test right now due to emergency. The specificity is unknown. I would wait for legit test from Abbott or Roche rather than some academic lab or small irreputable company.
Don't try to argue with him, it's a white-man american with a proxy: they are retards who exist only to "werk" for "MUUHHHHHH WHOITE WUUUUHHHHMAN".
Once they "open up" and "get back to werk" They will be tortured by the virus for weeks, suffering, and then some of them will die.
Which is a good thing, befitting of anti-child bride "day of the rope, kill pedos" heretics: which all white men nearly are.
>>>>>The Torah explicitly allows men to marry female children, including in cases of the rape (tahphas) of the girl child: Devarim chapter 22, verse 28. Key words: Na'ar (child (hebrew masoretic text)), Padia (child: padia+philos = paedophillia (greek septuagint)) Puella (young girl (latin vulgate))
>>>>>Nachmanides points out that a child may be called na'ar from the moment he is born.
White men deserve death and torture by coronavirus: it is good when they recieve this because they are anti-child bride and ban YHWH's law. Denial of marraige is a doctrine of demons: which white men are.
The white men were told everything there is to know about the virus. They reject the information. There is nothing more to be done. They DO deserve to die, for their arrogance, and their war against all men on earth.
>that is physically impossible with the herd immunity approach,
It’s not. Actually, the herd immunity approach protects old and sick people the most. Without it, these peoplr have the chance to contract SARS-2 for years.
If herd immunity is reached, the virus spread dies within weeks and goes to 0 because R0 can’t get above 1 no matter what.
All you need to do is protect elderly and sick until the summer.
What about after it mutates like the flu? How well do you think your lungs are going to handle the second go around? The third or fourth?
CFR in Germany is 5%.
World wide it is 20%.
>Yeah, people die all the time. 3 million people die in America each year. Most corona deaths are due to other illnesses, not really corona.
I hope you are one of the ones who die, (ID: szLmrNgB). I hope you go about your "buisness", happy with "your society", hating on "the jews and the pedos", and then you, by your own stupid arrogant white-fucking-retard-idiot-man hubris, catch coronachan, are tortured by the virus, and die.
I hope we know about you dying, and are able to communicate a mocking message to you while you die. HAHAHHAHA WE TOLD YOU SO YOU STUIPD FUCKING WHITE IDIOT.
"OH WHEN IS YOUR DAY OF THE ROPE, WHITE RETARD"
"GOT YOUR MILLSTONE READY?"
>>>>>The Torah explicitly allows men to marry female children, including in cases of the rape (tahphas) of the girl child: Devarim chapter 22, verse 28. Key words: Na'ar (child (hebrew masoretic text)), Padia (child: padia+philos = paedophillia (greek septuagint)) Puella (young girl (latin vulgate))
>>>>>Nachmanides points out that a child may be called na'ar from the moment he is born.
White men deserve death and torture by coronavirus: it is good when they recieve this because they are anti-child bride and ban YHWH's law. Denial of marraige is a doctrine of demons: which white men are.
it literally is impossible
too many caretakers of will get sick and old people will die in masses
you're a delusional genocidal maniac, Adolf
Again, 3 million die in America each year. You are telling me you want to devastate the country and 100 million families... because you care about this number to go to 3.1 million?
Most people counted as corona deaths would have died anyway this year or next year. So over 2 years, there are likely very few excess deaths from corona. The harm suffered from depression, joblessness, bad eating habits, etc. will likely be much worse.
>What about after it mutates like the flu? How well do you think your lungs are going to handle the second go around? The third or fourth?
Didn't you hear the white-man-retard?
People die all the time.
>Yeah, people die all the time. 3 million people die in America each year. Most corona deaths are due to other illnesses, not really corona.
Coronachan is a or even the but-for cause. But-for coronachan, that person wouldn't have died from X alone.
Don't understand white-retard? Didn't get skooling?
>It’s not. Actually, the herd immunity approach protects old and sick people the most. Without it, these peoplr have the chance to contract SARS-2 for years.
Ever get herd immunity for the cold? No? Why not? Maybe you stupid fucking white man don't know what you don't know.
>Wrong, dipshit, the LA study and the wisconson study are the most cited
Google “antibody study”... NY comes up first.
> Secondly I asked you to recite the specificity of the test: the numbers.
They didn’t publish those - or I couldn’t access it. I cited the guy who helped work on the study who said it has “superior accuracy and specifity” and can detect cases within 3 days from the onset of symptoms.
Enough for me.
> And if they get re-exposed to a high viral load the new infection will kill off responding t-cells and it won't matter how many anti-bodies their B-cells make.
105k recovered confirmed patients in Germany. We had 0 reinfected reported in the media. And trust me, if a single person had been reinfected, our boulevard media would be all over the case.
>Again, 3 million die in America each year. You are telling me you want to devastate the country and 100 million families... because you care about this number to go to 3.1 million?
Yes, I am telling you that: because you white morons are all heretics that worship "MUH WHOUTE WHUUHMAN" and ban child brides.
Uh, if it mutates like flu then it's unstoppable. We'll continue to see strains of it emerging at whatever interval for decades to come.
>CFR in Germany is 5%.
No, it really isn’t.
Based on small antibody studies, we have likely 5-10% of people with antibodies at this point, likely more. That’s 5-10million.
We have 5k dead, so it is 0.1% to 0.05%.