Former ussr and communist countries were really too bad?

It went to total shit after Stalin died. Started slowly transforming into capitalism, but that is how Communism always works, it is just that during Stalin there was no Communism, but a dictatorship. They started building hideous commie blocks and abandoned more aesthetic city planning after Stalin.

Read The Gulag Archipelago

Liar.
It was shit.

Without corruption, you think the soviet system could work?

>It makes me think what could It be without sanctions and without the cold war
Europe being a white ethnostate.
You fucking race traitor.

Lies.

>their only exports were weapons and natural recourses
This, Ukrainian people tell me all the time Russia has textile.

I do not like Stalin's methods, but I must admit that he is incredible in what transformed the Soviet Union during his mandate.

>Stalin was a great futurist
No, he killed fucking anyone who didn't agree with him.

Yea, he was quite a ruthless guy and nobody you would ever want to be ruling over you.

It was shit.
Complete shit.
Take agricultural, the reforms were just plagiarism after the Soviet system caused widespread famines.
So they copied Stolypin.

They also wiped out a ton of intelligentsia, including those of ethnic minorities such as the komi.
Then they pull the whole, oh we love the komi shit later.
No one believed that shit.

How much of it was jews oppressing ethnic slavs etc.? All of it.

It sucked to grow up under desu. And it was really bad for earlier generations. My family had a ton of political repression so of course I am biased but it doesn't change that the average person had a shit time.

Think of it like being in China right now. It's good if you're a card carrying party member. Not so much if you aren't.

>If we input the same numbers do you think we'd get a different result?
no, corruption didn't destroy communism, communism resulted in corruption.
what happens when you have peasants demanding gibs and put them into positions of power? they start giving themselves the gibs.

That is a good answer, but I'm curious for the people who miss the soviet union (former soviet citizens, and I'm not just talking of really old fellas), maybe is just to remember when they were teens

As opposed to Nazi Germany?
Russia went from a land of starving peasants to the second most powerful country in the world under him.

That's a good point of view, Ussr was so powerful, now Russia it is only a country pretending to be strong but nothing compared to what the ussr was

I remember being a 3 year old being passed around a gaggle of 6abuskas in Gorki Park in 1983. They were broad and had teeth full of gold and silver. I remember how strong these ladies were. I also remember the Red Army soldiers marching with pride and immaculate perfection. I returned 10 years later and remember that everyone looked badly hungover , with missing teeth and it stunk of piss and grime evrywhere public. It was sad. The soldiers were selling caviar and medals to anyone with dollars.

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>Russia went from a land of starving peasants to the second most powerful country in the world under him.
You are agreeing with me. The fact remains, the cost was very high on the russian people.

>Glorious Worker's Paradise! Model for all!
>Population: 0

You had free education of any kind, free houses, free cars, big industry and lots of jobs . Crime wasn't really common, absolutely no niggers or shitskins and Russian shitskins stayed in their homelands. My grandma used to say you were grateful to meet another person during the night since it felt much safer while waking from your factory job back to your village. It was okay but you didn't had any freedom of speech. If you went against the soviet union you were a target for government agents to van and send you to re-education. Food was a problem you had to wait in bread-lines. Absolutely no other merchandise other than soviet-made which, excluding the metal tools, was absolute crap. But there was unity.

>Russia went from a land of starving peasants to the second most powerful country in the world under him.
industrialization under capitalism would've accomplished that but without the whole gulags and starving of tens of millions you brainwashed moron. Russia had all the prerequisites to become a world power in its vast lands and resources just waiting to be utilized. today russia needs foreign help to do what they should be able to do by themselves but big daddy stalin killed so many they can't manage it on their lonesome

It's not entirely clear to me that had it remained on a "normal" capitalist development path, the Russian Empire would have been better for it's people. At it's peak, average living standards were comparable to some of the better off developing countries.

My question is: what if the USSR hadn't invested that whole third (or more) of GDP to the military? Like, just develop a credible nuclear deterrence and adequate conventional defensive posture. Instead of building 60,000000 tanks and jets, build refrigerators and cars or something.

I suppose you could argue an offensive posture was necessary to maintain a global presence and support allies: they would have been sanctioned to death by the West.

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Yes, industrialization is a thing, user

I've heard the same argument about Hoxha, muh 300% increase in doctors or whatever the fuck
India and China's economies are growing faster than the US' - but that will fade over time, and the US is still stronger.
Albania is still the shittiest country in Europe.

They had homogeneous cultures, repressed gypsies in Czechoslovakia and turks in Bulgaria, higher fertility rates, etc. and it is a shame that it happened but socialism is decadence had a distinctly jewish character in the early revolution (6 million jews were in Russia at the time) which annihilated european intelligensia. Read the Culture of Critique

Stalin slowly purged the Jews but not before he started WW2.
The Soviet Union and Cuba are responsible for South Africa and Rhodesia falling
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/30/africa-fidel-castro-nelson-mandela-cuba

The eastern bloc was strong because of nationalism and patriotism was infused, with no ethnic threats and an admonition of pride, unlike modern socialists which are just proxies for brown people - maduro offered assistance to mexico should they go to war with the US over Trump's election in 2016. They hate us and National Bolshevism is a meme.

Once we defeat our enemies and take charge, our powerful, authoritarian nations will be great again

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>he killed fucking anyone
bullshit
stop reading memoires of Jooooos

Nope
Ebic level evil in the beginning
Meh at the end
Hardly ever good
Ok in the 70s at most

Think of the industrialization and agricultural commercialization that happened under communism.

Now imagine that starting in 1905 and finishing in the 1920s. Instead of waiting till after the 1930s to really get going.

That would have been what happened.

This is not true, Russia has comparable or possibly more powerful fighter jets, superior anti-aircraft capabilities (s-400, s-500), and is the first nation to field hypersonic missile capabilities.

They have no gaps in their indigenous national defense industry, just less manpower and vassals.

Doesn't matter though, their strength is enough to deter any war - 3:1 defender advantage, nukes, etc.
The soft-power games will continue even with Russia in this state.

Their biggest drawback is their massive land border - during Soviet times Poland to the mediterranean was a much shorter, more defensible border

>Gorbachev
It was the IMF and Asian banks which bankrolled the whole shit since 1982. You can't speak about communism when you need imperial-capitalist nazi-fascist clerical-reactionary anti-revolution enemy-of-the-people pig-dog dollars to run it.

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jta.org/1953/02/09/archive/stalin-reminded-he-once-denounced-anti-semitism-as-cannibalism

“Anti-Semitism, being an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous remnant of cannibalism. Anti-Semitism is useful to the exploiters as a lightning conductor to protect capitalism from being struck down by the working people. Anti-Semitism is a danger to the working people; it is a wrong path which diverts them from the right road and leads them into the jungle. Therefore, as logical internationalists, Communists cannot fail to be irreconciliable and sworn enemies of anti-Semitism.”

In the early years, Stalin criminalized Anti-semitism, punishable by death.

He probably didn't kill 20 million, but probably at the lowest a few hundred thousand political dissidents, with many more exiled.