You have exactly 5 minutes to form an argument against INGSOC being the most ideal form of government

You have exactly 5 minutes to form an argument against INGSOC being the most ideal form of government.

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i don't want to be governed

It's not

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Because a leaf is saying it’s a good idea.

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You don't apply.

Humans are unique as a species. We carry independence, but are built like a hive.

To attempt your sole independence requires you to forgo your social instincts, which in essence, require re-education.

New Zealanders and Kiwis are not a real stature of government. You don't understand the complexities of a vast land and sea empire. You deserve to be conquered so you can integrate with such ideals.

Canada is the ideal Western Nation, but not even close to the utopia that Oceania would be.

>"ideal" is not an argument, when absent of context.

Inner Party can tongue my butthole starting with O'Cuckien

If you haven't read 1984 by George Orwell, you shouldn't be on this board.

There is always a hierarchy at the process of any government.
Those who work hard and strive to the top deserve such positions, not out of inequality but out of merit.
But not even they are immune to the auto-policing of the State which is the greatest boon to such a government.

>Canada is the ideal western nation
>has this retard as their leader
Neck yourself leaf

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I don't owe you anything. Shut the fuck up and kill yourself.

If you've read 1984 by George Orwell and you support Trump then you are a moron

They literally lie about everything
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Why does this even need to be debated
>The English are cucked
>Socialism is cucked
>INGSOC is the ultimate form of cuckerment

Seething, lacks an argument.

Angry and beligerent. Shouldn't engage in politics. Maybe Yas Forums or Yas Forums are more of your taste.

I don't support an anti-nationalist guising as a nationalist to profit off of the whims of stupid Americans.

I support a Global Nation of one culture, and one law, based around high militarization and efficient production with a chemically suplemented population that can complete their tasks effectively.

Name one government that hasn't lied.
Oceania became the most powerful nation in the world, and the USSR was pretty close under Stalin's lead.

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>If you haven't read 1984 by George Orwell
I have, but "ideal" needs still a context, as opposed to what? What is the problem "the ideal" would fix?
Basic argumentation.
Insoc would "ideal" only to the high party members, but to everyone else, not so.
So, in the context that everyone has read 1984 here, you should have stated:
>insoc is ideal for of government to the party elite
Then you would've had a solid premise / argument.

It literally immiserates its core supporters more than its proles.

you have exactly five minutes to dilate your front hole and get fucked by your dog

They can police my rancid anus any day of the week

>Angry and beligerent. Shouldn't engage in politics.
Do you think you're George Washington or something? Go back to fucking reddit..

Not true. A chemically supplemented populace with controlled emotions and unified goal is ideal. Reduces inner conflict created by democracies and the inequalities and prejudices against certain peoples.

A necessity to the operating State.

Irrational fear and seething.

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Internationalism is jewry. jewry based on greed.
greed promotes illoyalty, illoyalty inspires hatred, hatred inspires murder.

Fuck Oceania.

The fact is - the INGSOC is a supremely humanistic idea.
Let's establish a well-known fact: happiness and bliss doesn't come from the environment. It is primarily a state of mind. Therefore, in order to bestow the citizens with happiness, the government must control their mind: and instill a collective ideology that entails that we the people are righteous and virtuous, and that our lives are a part of the greater whole (thus, our wills transcend death itself)

Unfortunately when someone doubts, or, worse, rejects the ideology, he breaks the safety net not only for himself but also for the others. It is supreme benevolence to not just execute such people, but to cure them from thought-crime.

Did Winston Smith not die a happy man? Was there a greater love and belonging possible for him than the love for Big Brother?

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MFW no dirty toothless whore sex that was really doubleplusgood but politically untenable.

kill yourself tranny

Jewry is jewry.
Erase the identities of people and banish religion and idealism wherever it might strike.

A Global Nation ruled by a strong and firm hand collectivised by the working of billions.

Happiness is an illusion. Contentment is the aim. You deprive the population of it, but keep it in arms length - tell them that you're suffering together.
That's how unite peoples.

ING SOC abolishes abstract thought. It freezes progress at a point in history where we are on borrowed borrowed time with regard to calories in, calories out. Though ING SOC would allow for the unpersoning of 7 billion people, the process by which that happens would incite the lower and middle castes and lead to instability. ING SOC is perfect for Winston's world. Not ours.

Literally retarded

Progress for what? The USSR made massive leaps in Space exploration.

Once INGSOC is established globally, Science will follow.

V is a symbol of satan.

I'll start work on the 12th Edition of the NewSpeak Dictionary, Comrade.

USSR wasn't INGSOC. You need to be in perpetual war to destroy labour outputs if you are practicing INGSOC. They also allow you to think about iterating things other than weapons and thoughtcrime in the USSR.

There is no science in INGSOC. Read the 3 chapters.