I still see a lot of shilling for Capitalism as well as autistic screeching about free markets are one of the key pillars of the globohomo problem.
So this thread is intended for discussion on where Paleo-Cons, Third Positionists and Social Conservatives should focus their efforts.
Do they start allying with Social Nationalists & NazBols?
Or do they ally and recruit nationalists among the Capitalist & Anti-Socialist community?
Anyone genuine conservative should support anti-statist ideology and support eliminating the welfare state, thus having matters of school, health, etc taken care of by communities and families instead of the state. People just don't seem to realize that statism is what leads to moral degeneracy and civilizational decline.
The difference between "National Bolsheviks" and "National Capitalists" or Anarcho-Capitalists is that we do not worship capitalism in and of itself, our values are based upon a 100% or as close to 100% as possible VOLUNTARY society, this can mean many things, some of which being a strong community, strong borders, free markets, a voluntary social safety net, strong voluntary defence agreements, traditionalism and many things which national socialists or bolsheviks ignorantly claim we hate.
capitalists and lolbergs are consumerist corporate bootlickers
they'll sell their race out for cheap chinese crap and spics working for lower wages
>2 ancaps
>both well thought out reasonable arguments
>1 stormfag
>bullshit accusations and retard tier rhetoric.
Our people need to rise up against globalhomo degeneracy. We need to affirm NatSoc as the dominant ideology of the future. We must spread NatSoc doctrine far and wide. We are in Weimar right now. The economy is in great depression hyperinflation conditions combined with peak degeneracy. The people need a solution and have been desperate for a long time.
Here on Yas Forums we need to counter the Jewish banker and international corporation apologia from the capitalist right (lolbergs, ancaps, neocons, Randfags, etc.). NatSoc is the Truth and the only way we can address the problem afflicting our nation. We must increase our efforts to promote National Socialist ideals and debunk misconceptions for the newfags like we did in the past. We are slacking compared to our efforts around 2016, when nationalism, anti immigration, and right wing populism were gaining popularity in the mainstream right and immigration was dominating the conversation.
Samefag quit jerking yourself off. Your system will allow for exploitation by Jewish bankers who have an agenda against Europeans.
>samefagging
>durrr u samefag
nazis really are stupid newfags
>AnCap
>anti-statist ideology
>Reeeeeee Gobbernment touching my stuff. Taxation is theft.
Why?
>Cause that's my stuff I didn't consent.
Well clearly its not theft because its the governments stuff.
>What! How is my property not my property your retarded.
Well by the logic of your ideology the state should be done away with. I QUOTE
>People just don't seem to realize that statism is what leads to moral degeneracy and civilizational decline.
Without the state "However has the power to take, to defend, the thing, to him belongs property".
"Property is not a fact but a legal fiction, it exists by the grace of the states law" t. Max Stirner
>People just don't seem to realize that statism is what leads to moral degeneracy and civilizational decline.
You are statist, your entire ideology requires a state to create and manage, laws, regulations, standards etc. You will cry out against government until someone touches your shit or you need to the restaurant down the Privately Owned Road™ to been assessed by a health inspector.
You are statist is the same was as an AnCom just LARPing as anarchist.
Capital has no nationality. All this natcap LARPing is pathetic. If anything capitalism destroyed nationalities and tradition. You people are worthless LARPers. Your ideology is good at furthering the liberal agenda because it supports the MUH FREE VOLUNTARY ACTION
I'm a Conservative and support a big state to prevent degeneracy.
We should work together... stop fretting over economic ideologies that work guys.
The free market works when it’s whites only. In fact, everything works when it’s whites only.
Communism does not work. Periot.
>Anyone genuine conservative should support anti-statist ideology and support eliminating the welfare state, thus having matters of school, health, etc taken care of by communities and families instead of the state. People just don't seem to realize that statism is what leads to moral degeneracy and civilizational decline.
Most of the stormtards on here are just Democrats who realized they don't like black people or gays. They have about as intellectual curiosity or honesty as your average Democrat too.
This is totally lost on them, and they don't really care either way.
>our values are based upon a 100% or as close to 100% as possible VOLUNTARY society
>Nationalist
>But I also think that treating my countrymen well should be completely VOLUNTARY & there definitely should be any punishment when I treat my countrymen like shit (laughts in Rothschilds).
>Oh but I'm also really into strong community and traditionalism
>No government
>Absolutely free international markets
>Strong borders
Something about those 3 seems off.
Why to AnCaps need to come into a nationalist discussion thread and shit over everything with their autistic beliefs.
This is a place for
>Social Nationalists
>NazBols
>Paleo-Cons
>Third Positionists
>Social Conservatives
>PROTECTIONIST Capitalists!!!
Anarcho-Anything can fuck off.
>where Paleo-Cons, Third Positionists and Social Conservatives should focus their efforts
>Third Positionists
wtf are you bubbling about, these are the most fucking mainstream ideologies of the 20 century.
Just vote for either of the two biggest parties
>conservative
>anti-statist
So supporting abortion is "conservative" because it's "anti-statist".
I'll leave you to think about that.
You seem to have the same intellectual curiosity or honesty as the stormtards you were bitching about.
Now it all makes sense.
I think most reasonable people will admit that market mechanisms are the most efficient way to produce widgets and that a Soviet-style command economy causes more problems than it solves. However, I think most reasonable people would also admit that the market is NOTHING MORE THAN an optimization machine for efficiently producing widgets, and that there are situations where other needs should take priority and following market logic wherever it may lead is foolish (as much as it may benefit capitalists.) Pandering to ancaps or communists is foolish because their logic is deficient. Until they pick up whichever one of those things they're missing there's not much point in arguing with them except to drive that singular point home.
From anywhere else Third Position economics are actually an extremely easy sell. Most of us are probably tripartists and see the proper role of the state in the economic sphere as being to oversee but not micromanage the economy and balance the interests of capital and labor. The former generally needing to be reined in and kept loyal to the nation as a whole, and the latter generally needing to be organized both to overcome the disadvantage inherent in relationships between individual workers and their employers and to keep up participation in the economy. That's not a radical proposition. It's basically how all this was shaping up to work before we started listening to Jews and killed the unions, opened the borders, and dropped all the tariffs so the state and the biggest capitalists could jerk each other off for the rest of eternity.
The problem is that Capital has clearly lost the plot and gone rogue, and that needs to be dealt with somehow even if we still support capitalism generally. Something will have to change or it's just going to happen all over again. I think that something is structural and fundamental, others may see the same problem but disagree on the solution, and that's what I read OP as wanting to make a thread about.
THIS!!!
Thank you!
Someone finally gets it.
>Capital has clearly lost the plot and gone rogue
It did because of regulatory capture, and it always will if you insist on government controlling it.
These fucking AnCaps being unrealistic thinking
>ohhhhhh lets just get rid of the state that will solve the problem.
As if 1) you can get rid of the state.
& 2) Capital hasn't, to at least a marginal degree, gone rogue and it now adversely affecting the volk of many western nations.
The Question is, do we just continue to seek allies among capitalists and risk attracting the attention of AnCap spergs who will do nothing to develop a solution?
Or do we try an make allies among the more nationalist segments of the left, e.g. NazBols Strasserists etc? Which will risk us following the time tests failure of FULL COMMUNISM but at least might move us towards solving problems that have arisen from the current free-market to one degree or another.
>It did because of regulatory capture
That's true but it's only part of the picture. As I see it pretty much all history past the enlightenment has proven that the bourgeoisie want in their heart of hearts to be rootless cosmopolitans, and if they're allowed to they'll do it and bring everyone else along on the ride. Sure they've subverted the mechanisms set in place to control them, but you'll have to do a lot more to talk me into believing you when you say that just letting Capital basically do whatever it wants and regulate itself directly will LESSEN this problem.
>It did because of regulatory capture, and it always will if you insist on government controlling it.
Cause free-markets uncontrolled have never caused any problems.
Other than the great depression.
Oh and the whole South-Sea Company thing
Oh and manipulation by private interests
*laughts in Rothschild*
You don't need more allies, since you already have THE POWER since many decades.
This power has become corrupted, duh
core natsoc heartland
pure natcap colonialism
simple as
>natcap
impossible. If you restrict capitalism to a nation that is a form of socialism.
>The Question is, do we just continue to seek allies among capitalists and risk attracting the attention of AnCap spergs who will do nothing to develop a solution?
>Or do we try an make allies among the more nationalist segments of the left, e.g. NazBols Strasserists etc? Which will risk us following the time tests failure of FULL COMMUNISM but at least might move us towards solving problems that have arisen from the current free-market to one degree or another.
I hate saying it but I think the left are the better choice. They only really need to be convinced that market economics are useful and (for some of them) that race is real. Plus our terminology meshes a lot better with theirs, we have much more similar goals, and they've already managed to break at least some of the globohomo conditioning. Ancaps and other groups like them usually need to be convinced of transcendental things like the importance of the nation on top of just being persuaded that a different set of policies will work better.
I could accept this.
That was a right pretty speech sir,
but it still doesn't make your autistic dichotomy
>if you aren't fully free-market than you must be socialist
any less retarded
It's moot, neither hard left nor hard right wants anything to do with middle of the road swamp.
You can bribe some of them with your cushy, parasitic gov jobs though as you always do though.
Just have a broad alliance, no need to create division on the right. This is exactly what (((they))) want. Bigger issues to worry about than capitalism v socialism.
your either a capitalist or not you fucking retard.
The problem is many people think we live under complete free market capitalism
This is completely retarded
The modern neoliberal/neocon system is 'socialism' for the rich and 'capitalism' for the poor