I have been following /cvg/ since the beginning when most fags were still nothing burger. China today admitted deaths were %15 higher than reported, and that is only the start.
We are not at a critical moment, false actors are aggressively trying to shift the narrative I have come to set you back on course.
1. The source of the virus was not determined. This is very strange considering it's now a global pandemic. If the virus started in humans, perhaps the first patient wasn't identified- but this clearly originated genetically from an animal like SARS. If corrona19 came from an animal- why after months has it not been found in animal populations? Anyone could catch a bat and test it. SARS in comparison was isolated very quickly in bat populations.
2. The outbreak started in Wuhan, a major transit hub, right before perhaps the second largest human transit in the world- and caused more than 100 million Chinese nationals into lockdown. Nobody could have kept this "in the box" least of all China.
3. A huge amount of anti-china media has been artificially generated in response to this "muh bat soup", "muh stealing masks", "muh pedo undergroud lair", "my exchange students", "muh CCP conspiracy". Hating China is normal, but this artificial narrative is indicative of a rehearsed attack. The most recent one was China taking over the WHO- there will be dozens more like when the US took a tilt at Iran. And unbeknown to english only fags, this same narrative appeared across a range of platforms in multiple languages.
We all knew this, but it's easy to forget because these facts are now rarely mentioned Here's where it gets interesting.
4. pro-western areas around china seem to somehow have almost totally dodged this. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Myanmar, Laos, Russia. What do they all have in common? We would assume the virus would have immediately have moved there over land instead of Italy, the UK and the US Some are developed. some are undeveloped. In fact the only things we can say is that countries bordering China seem to have been largely spared. Hong Kong was pushed much closer to independence by this, under the premise of quarantine doctors closed the road to the mainland and that could be a tipping point.
5. Wuhan has china's only publicly known level 4 bio facility. A lot has been made of this and rightly so. Let me forward a speculation. This is the only KNOWN facility in China, if they were making a bioweapon you would think they would do it somewhere more discreet and less uh...close to a major city. To say the virus "escaped" from here is hard to fathom, it's not like someone can break a beaker on the floor or a bat fly out a window. My point however, is why this well known facility would even be dealing with anything potentially pandemic causing?
6. There are known links between the Wuhn facility and Chinese spies in Canada and the US They are not Chinese spies. Don't ask me, just google it. There were a number of scientists in the US and Canada "caught" sneaking biological material out of guarded facilities in the US and trying to take them by plane to China. This is not where the virus came from. I know it looks like a smoking gun when spies are stealing vials of human tissue and carrying it hidden in their socks to China- it's related but not where the virus came from
Samuel Green
>WAIT FOR TWO MORE WEEKS YOU GUIZE AND SEE
Hudson Myers
7. a few things stand out in the response that are very strange. Why was no aid from the WHO released to China? You can check- despite being the epicenter and being one of the WHO funding states China got nothing. Why did western countries have no influenza plan? You think after Ebola, SARS, African wine flu, Spanisy flu etc there would have been a coherant plan. Yas Forums knew three days in what was going to happen- and if we knew international scientists knew
8. Around this time an Australian scientist in Switzerland had a heart attack and died. Previously he was on the WHO Ebola team but quit.
9. The chinese reaction was incredibly strong, you don't casually put 100 million people under quarantine and bring your country to a standstill over a potencial nothing burger and build hospitals overnight.| China knew this was coming and planned very well for it indeed. I doubt there will be many secondary outbreaks. The reason China was so well prepared was because they knew sooner or later with the largest population on earth someone would use biological weapons against them.
I don't care how many people believe me- as long as the people who matter get the world out.
Something happened before corona19, relating to several cells of foreign spies in the US at medical and military facilities. Something also happened in Iran, and in west Russia.
A second actor recovered evidence of this, and the decision was made to attack wuhan. The Chinese know it wasn't the Americans, the Americans know it wasn't the Chinese. But now that this has happened, both sides are pushed to war.
I don't know who the third actor was, it could have been anyone. But be aware that the US and China are being set up to start ww3, the power imbalance has been long brewing. I don't want to see more countries sucked into this
Christopher Davis
The relationship is complicated, but this is not the point. How did countries with no warning sharing high traffic land borders escape?
you fool. If China and the US go to war- Russia will attack europe. Nato have got alarmingly weak as Europe relies too heavily on US support. Russia has more than S-400s up their sleeve
Asher King
>I don't know who the third actor was, it could have been anyone. I have a guess.
>1. The source of the virus was not determined. >This is very strange considering it's now a global pandemic. If the virus started in humans, perhaps the first patient wasn't identified- but this clearly originated genetically from an animal like SARS. If corrona19 came from an animal- why after months has it not been found in animal populations? >Anyone could catch a bat and test it. SARS in comparison was isolated very quickly in bat populations. Because it was collected by the researchers in the Wuhan labs from bats many months or years ago. The virus wasn't engineered, but it was found in the field by doctors researching bats and coronaviruses, and was leaked by the lab with shitty safety and containment practices. >Two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S. Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats. > In November 2017, just before the U.S. officials’ visit, Shi’s team had published research showing that horseshoe bats they had collected from a cave in Yunnan province were very likely from the same bat population that spawned the SARS coronavirus in 2003. washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/ forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/04/14/the-washington-post-goes-rogue-china-lab-in-focus-of-coronavirus-outbreak/#5e7f4e301ee1
Can anyone explain why in Wuhan they had almost entirely Strain B cases, which originates from Strain A?
USA has mostly Strain A - doesn't make sense
Caleb Ross
Back to my previous point about how bordering cointries fared so well. From Taiwan's response (Wikipedia) >On 31 December 2019, Taiwan Centers for Disease Control (CDC) implemented inspection measures for inbound flights from Wuhan, China in response to reports of an unidentified outbreak.[38] The passengers of all such flights were inspected by health officials before disembarking.[38] you read right, somehow the Taiwanese knew about it happening before it was happening. Somehow they responded even before mainland Chinese officials
Nicholas Turner
Russia can be BTFO'D by Polish army alone, so let them.
Bentley Myers
>if they were making a bioweapon you would think they would do it somewhere more discreet and less uh...close to a major city. The CDC is located in Atlanta, Ga and they have samples of the worst diseases known to man in their labs. >To say the virus "escaped" from here is hard to fathom, it's not like someone can break a beaker on the floor or a bat fly out a window. My point however, is why this well known facility would even be dealing with anything potentially pandemic causing? What a bullshit line. Show your flag Chinaman. Related: >The first cable, which I obtained, also warns that the lab’s work on bat coronaviruses and their potential human transmission represented a risk of a new SARS-like pandemic. >“During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory,” states the Jan. 19, 2018, cable, which was drafted by two officials from the embassy’s environment, science and health sections who met with the WIV scientists. washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/
>Somehow they responded even before mainland Chinese officials That's a cultural thing. The Chinese would hide a problem and since Taiwanese people aren't Chinese they act instead of giving a shit about "saving face".
The fucking propaganda. You have your lies while I have facts. In the case of China, where there is fire there is also smoke. The Wuhan lab fucked up and leaked the virus. Some worker or researcher got sick and took it outside of the lab. All the data and facts back this up. It's no conspiracy, it's just incompetence.
Connor Harris
It does though. Strain A, or strain S as I think you mean, was circulating longer having slipped under the radar. It's thought to have been in the US as early as november and brought over from china before they realized what had happened and put restrictions in place.
So now that everyone is actually testing in the US they're finding S strain had already spread to every state, while grappling with L freshly proliferating in the hotspots.
Christian Roberts
I am aware of the piece. Awfully convenint that the US agency would have warned about this exact thing don't you think? Isn't it oddly specific? And the idea that these scientists are just bad at tehir jobs is foolish, read the profiles on the spies china is recruiting from overseas- many are leaders in their fields
There is far worse than bubonic plague user, I survived a mutated strain with just regular antibiotics taken preventatively.
There is also far worse than Corronavirus. This is just the most believable virus following SARS
David Rivera
You do know that the Ukrainian army is considered to be better equipped than the Polish one, and it isn't exactly the best one out there?
Brody Parker
I can write a book on how potentially wrong you are since there are so many talking points. So I'm going going to omit them.
Not convincing. You need to ask yourself who has the most to gain?
It is the point because it's not compelling. You're basing your argument off a hypothetical, in which case others stand more to gain for different reasons.
How did countries with no warning sharing high traffic land borders escape At the very start of coronavirus they determined that asians in that region specifically had a higher susceptibility to the virus, those with ACE2 receptors
