Are Information Systems/ Network Admin. jobs a meme too?
Why aren't they hyped at the same rate and volume as code-monkeying gigs?
"Learn To Code" is a Confirmed Meme, But What About IT?
The industry is dying
Info systems is consistently listed among the top 10 'fastest growing' tech fields.
what industry is dying and why?
He means low skill on prem desktop support, that nobody wants to do.
The MSP and Cloud markets will be around until someone leaks the AWS data center goodies of a credit card or insurance company.
all of that can and will eventually be robots and software
Because it requires a brain unlike the "learn to code" jobs that one can get better experience taking a Pluralsight course in than racking up shit experience
All the service providers constantly try to glom up more "key strategic business areas" which means that they need 15 giblet heads to do support and setup by hand until engineering/devops automate them away.
Rinse, repeat.
The only thing going away is phone monkey tier I.
I have been out of work and in the tech industry. I manage to have skipped programming throughout my career. Now even sysadmins are being asked to code as well. Looks like python and Go are languages of choice these days. Now its biting me in the ass. Now I am learning to code lol.
You wanted to spend your entire career walking over to desks and restarting computers?
MSP's didn't just take over because they're cheaper than having onsite staff, they took over because they're a better environment for IT people.
> 2014
> HREY KID UR WASTIN UR TIME WITH THAT SCRIPT GET BACK 2 WERK
> 2020
> S-S-SIR WE NEED TO AUTOMATE THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY USERS OUR SUPPORT TEAM IS AN HEROING
kek.
Code monkey jobs are hyped because theres still a shortage of people capable of doing the work properly. The aim is to get a ton of people to learn these skills and then cream the good ones off the top for system design and use the rest to do generic shit. In doing so, they get to reduce pay for the average programmer whilst maintaining a decent level of brain power in the software design department.
IT/admin roles are different in this regard as throwing more people at the job doesn't get the correct results and will usually cost a company more money to fix than hiring that one guy who knows his shit. Whereas the programming side, you will likely end up with 'something' that works and can bugfix as and when its needed. If the network admin fucks it, he's fucked it for 10-1000 people.
It isn't too bad learning python. I don't see why a sysadmin would need to be able to code when they can get by using inbuilt CLI tools, github and stackoverflow/server fault. What I'd recommend doing to get yourself to a decent level quickly is to go and make something like a network packet filter or a proxy server. Decent amount of bit level manipulation, a lot of room to add features and you can go mental with the polymorphism
>pluralsight
I hate that site so much, the tutorials are wank. I've got about 2 weeks of project work left to go and then I think I'm getting dumped on there for the foreseeable future.
^This
Infosec Analyst at a Fortune 50 company here:
Coders get all the flashy press because they are seen as the "movers" to push a digital strategy from CIO and Executive Boards. What isn't seen is all the shitty insecure code, unpatched systems, insecure firewall connections, etc. all because of a large risk appetite, concern on quarterly profits and "muh diversity". Behind every line of code is in an Infosec professional shaking their head and having to explain why excessive local admin rights and unencrypted connections are a bad idea. Those coders who do actually practice secure code and have a mind to do security are a rare treat. Infsoec literally cannot find enough qualified people and orgs like ISC2 have mentioned that in their regular publications.
Automation, infrastructure as code, virtualization, etc. are all coming/here in some form but AI currently is just buzz words by start ups out in CA to sink some corporate dollars at the moment.That may not be the case a few years from now, but seeing AI based SIEM and threat analysis has left me underwhelmed.Even if you automate deployment and response, one has to understand principles behind good security and actually spell it out for coders. Cloud has a lot of benefit due to simple economies of scale, but The Capital One Breach essentially proved that insecure items in the cloud are like leaving illicit goods in your apartment for your landlord to see.
With things like CCPA, GDPR, etc. the government is going to want their greedy palms over businesses to shake them down for additional funds. Not against good data privacy practices, but I have an issue with a government that curses end to end encryption at every turn and then wanting "secure" customer information. The interesting and most scary part of IT Security are the desire to incorporate technical controls with bad psychological, ethical and legal premises. Literally saw a Federal Board Reserve Regulator advocate for psychometric monitoring and profiling as part of a UBA (User Behavioral Analysis) program for the purpose of Insider Threat Prevention. While insiders can cause the most damage, it can run into some serious employment law issues.
Dude, this shit is a must in anything finance related.
Vba is basic, but Phyton is also becoming a requirement.
I fix hospital/diagnostic lab equipment for a living and I ironically got laid off for good because of Coronachan. Is there a path for a 40-year-old biochemistry boomer to do anything in IT/infosec or would I just get degree gated or age gated away were I to pursue it?
Go ahead get a degree and then train a poo with a fake degree to do you job
Nope, I have a BA in History and work in Security Governance. May need to get some experience and certs depending on what you need to do but very seldom is it that someone is purely a comp sci person. If anything, 40 plus is sensitive due to age discrimination lawsuits.
Biochemistry background may be useful in IoT devices and coupling that with security knowledge can make a decent amount of $$$.
Hint: study something awesome, but make a usable set of career skills out of your electives. That way you might end up somewhere awesome, and your fallback is 100% middle class.
I studied English with a minor in Mathematics
spent the past 3 years teaching High School.
Thinking of making a career change .
If all else fails, I can cash-in on the US's burgeoning eLearning debacle
They already have to some extent, look up Capital One from a few months back. Cloud providers are usually crafting their licensing agreements very specifically to where they aren't liable for things.
Then a company that recently lost millions because of poo recruitment will hire you as a consultant for $500/hr to bring them back to Jesus.
It's cyclical. One industry gets Poo'd as another struggles to unpoo itself.
If you like techshit, computers are in literally fucking everything nowadays. I left a career in 'tech' to go work on cars. Get to play with exactly the same shit same as my old job, have never seen a chink, poo, tranny, or wahmen in my field.
Bullshit, you just touch a different kind of tranny nowdays :)
whats a good area of specialization for computer science thats gonna pay big bucks in the next 10 years? pls no machine learning / ai meme. Cryptography ?
support is for literal retards, no one will miss them
"IT" these days is hit or miss. There are some good small shops to work for but you're not going to find a big corporate gig that doesn't involve mostly paajeet wrangling.
lol how is ai/ml a meme? they've been working on that shit for the past 40 years and it's just now turning into something that can be used by the masses. we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg right now.
It isn't so much about the basic of ML and neural networks, its how they are employed. Lots of regulatory bodies require manual review of things, and it will be some time before ML and AI is let anywhere near sensitive parts of IT.
at least with cooding you get to make shit
IT = talking to disgruntled employees who can't open .pdf's or connect a cable to their monitor
>Learned to code out of giant green ANSI C book in middle school
>C++ and OpenGL all through high school
>University CS program is full of a bunch of drooling retards
>Study philosophy/physics/math instead and make websites on the side, done in 3 years
>Only use full stack Node.js now, 95th percentile salary through early 20s
It's only a meme if you let it be, I think. Thanks for reading my blog.
Easy work good pay loving it
Got a masters in information systems get paid over 77k teaching boomers how to skype and running installers
>university CS program full of drooling retards
this is what drove me away from a CS major in college
...granted I ended up in a major with theatrefags and Lit queers instead, but at least they showered and spoke fluent English