A contemporary folk etymology that connects Saturn to the Hebrew word Satan, שָׂטָן, meaning adversary or accuser, seems worthy of consideration as no convincing etymologies for the word Satan appear.[1] Again, this assumes a late development of the Hebrew Bible, which this study does.
Etymologists believe Saturn originates from the Etruscan subterranean deity Satre whose name meaning is unknown. It certainly seems possible, if not likely, that they represent essentially the same chthonic deity particularly since the Etruscans appear to have had a crypto-Jewish or proto-Jewish element. Though this derivation is of course undisruptive to the idea that the word Satan is also related to Saturn. Rather its possible all words share a common root.
In the New Testament Satan appears in the Greek as Diabolos, διάβολος, and Satanas, Σατανᾶς. The names appear to describe a figure who is also the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Famously in John 8:44, Jesus accuses Jews who he is imploring to “accept his message” as being the children of diabolos. The interaction in John is worthy of close study but ostensibly this would give these Jews, at least in these passages, the same relationship to Satan that Tacitus’ Histories speculatively gives them to Saturn.
In Revelation 3:9 the Greek word Satanas is used in the famous passage: “Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead.” Here it is important to note a distinction is actually being made between Jews and liars who belong to the Synagogue of Satan, something Christian anti-Semites always overlook or fail to mention. But this passage makes sense as Christ himself was a Rabbi.
>Tacitus’ Histories speculatively gives them to Saturn. page number?
Ryan Green
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Joshua Morris
>meaning adversary or accuser
So youre saying that the jews didnt have a word for adversary or accuser and instead adopted the term satan from satre which has the same root as saturn?
Because they would have a word for that. Maybe the greek words were corrupted by the saturn link.
The new testament also condemns acusers saying not even the archangle brought a railing acuasation, but that is the compulsion of the devil.
Henry Davis
Jews belong to the synagogue of Satan because the Church is the True Israel; the Church are the inheritors of the promise made to Abraham.
Christ is God. When the Jews rejected Christ, they rejected God.
Isaac Barnes
I was just reading about this today. Divine timing and whatnot.
Children being sacrificed to Satan, Saturn, Satres, Moloch, Baal, etc... (all the same inherited figure) has existed since the very beginning of the world, inspired by the belief that the more precious the sacrifice, the better the magical result.
Mainline Abrahamic religion tried to 'fix' this multiple times with various laws, prophetic injunctions, stories (Abraham and Issac), circumcision, infant baptism, and ultimately the idea of Jesus (as God's ONLY child) being sacrificed. It's all been attempts to quell the extreme lengths people will go to, to guarantee an outcome.
The short and narrow of it is that expectation and confidence is all that is needed to get a magical result, but tards will think 'can't get something for nothing' and sacrifice blood because they have no faith in the love and mercy of reality.
Jesus' whole message was that belief alone in the goodness of God and sincere prayer and earnest desire is all that is needed. People couldn't understand that level of subtlety and so eventually the Church fell back to the 'no pain no gain' shit (ascetic magic) of ritual mortification, suffering, etc to 'get stuff'.
Luke Richardson
But still the extreme end of this stuff (ritual sacrifice, pedophilia, etc) has persisted in secret cults throughout history and still exists today (obviously) and it's really the misguided thinking that comes from very materialistic oriented consciousness that requires extreme pain to fully dissociate and allow magic to happen.
Oliver Reyes
Amos 5:26 >But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. >Remphan is a rendering of the Ancient Greek, ρεμφαν. Various manuscripts offer other transliterations, including Ancient Greek: Ῥομφά, Ῥεμφάν, Ῥεμφάμ, Ῥαιφάν, & Ῥεφάν. It is part of a reference to Amos 5:26, which reads in Hebrew as "Chiun", "Kewan", "Kaiwan", "Kiyuwn", or "Kijun". The Septuagint's reading of Amos is "raiphan" or "rephan". The Greek forms may be based on a transliteration of the Hebrew, k (qoppa) having replaced r (resh), ph having been substituted for y (yod), and u (vowel waw) having been replaced by a (alpha). "Kēwān" is the another pronunciation of the Old Persian word of Kayvân, meaning Saturn. Yes there are connections to it, EVERYWHERE Herodotus and other Greek historians have noted they took their gods from the Egyptians who may well have gotten theres from the Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, or elsewhere The Greeks got their own alphabet from the Phoenicians. pagans worshipped the same gods
Juan Perry
> Jesus said hurrrrrr
Fuck outta here with that blasphemy. The Orthodox Church, which was established by Christ, has never thought that bullshit. No part of what you said about the Lord or His sacrifice is even remotely accurate.
In the event that you're gonna gonna copypasta Scripture to try to substantiate your bogus claim, that's Protestant-level retard shit and isn't how Scripture works: personal interpretation is invalid. The only interpretation with validity is the Church's, as the Scriptures were written for the Church and by the Church, she the Church herself is the context.
