Hardest question for Marxists to answer?

What is the hardest question for a Marxist/Communist to answer without scapegoating to the usual responses?

>Have a few friends that are Marxists
>I'm the 'weird friend' who 'can't possibly actually believe the shit he says' and 'is probably just memeing all the time'.

Every time I ask them questions that I find to be reasonable they always say something of the following:
>race or intelligence isn’t real, stop being anti-scientific
>that’s because you can’t conceptualize life without the concept of ‘capital’
>it has to do with class and if they had a living wage and no systemic barriers, they wouldn’t be x, y and z.
I’ve read some of their reading recommendations and have tried to gain insight on their perspectives and while learning a lot, it hasn’t changed my controversial political views. As a matter of fact, it was easy to call out some fabricated and disingenuous statements from the older reading material they recommended, as time and the internet have shown light on many propagandist and misleading bad-faith actors within historical literature.

So what would be the best question to ask a Marxist if you could only ask one single question to provoke them to fully contemplate the validity of their ideology?

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marx was a racist.
marx believed captialism was a necessary step to get to communism

the idea of eliminating capital is as fucking stupid as saying eliminate all calculators and rulers, we will just use our feelings to measure things! i've never met a marxist in my life who wasn't a pretentious, fake faggot

Most brainwashed people speak in slogans, ask them to explain their slogans. Keep pushing for an explanation and they just get angry.

Slogans don't keep the lights on.

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Ask how the USSR collapsed and forbid them to say
"that wasn't real communism"
laugh at them as they try to explain away all the problems.
done.

I've presented them with something similar in the past and there responses were:

>'those letters were likely satirical if you look into the context of his writings'
and
>'maybe initially, so the time for communism is now. Fascism is just a reaction to late-stage capitalism while keeping the capitalist roots in power. Communism is the true phoenix.'

I've presented this and they claim labor is the proper measurement
I don't want to make them angry, but make them truly question themselves.
They'd give me a long dissertation about how the USSR fell by CIA OPS or global capitalist sabotage, etc.

This is all shit they can scapegoat without invoking any inner dialogue to break the Yuri Bezmenov tier programming.

>I've presented this and they claim labor is the proper measurement
that doesn't even make sense. don't argue with brainlets, just secretly undermine them

>Hardest question for Marxists to answer?
Mostly the math and logic related ones

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Try any of these?

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Have them, in their own words, define: Exploitation.

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>race or intelligence isn’t real, stop being anti-scientific
These aren’t marxist then, these are just your run of the mill pozzed neo-lib mutts, Made in US&A TM. Your country really is a breeding ground for absolutely amazing and absolutely retarded people with no middle ground.

I am a marxist/stalinist and I’d round up all the faggots, trans, otherkins, misbehaving niggers, misbehaving mudshits, all non-stem university graduates and third and second wave feminists.

Feel free to elaborate, since you so confidently told me I was retarded for saying Hitler issued a labor based currency

Actually yes! I've shit talked synthesis with them and these topics usually boil down to differing philosophical outlooks. With a close friend, this ended up simply being that I appreciate culture and tradition and he simply doesn't give a shit about it.

I've been looking for that screencap though, so thanks

What are IDs
I guess I am a retard

In what way is race realism incompatible with Marxism? Marx was himself was a race realist and woke on the jq

Communism is just another STRUCTURE
or ...SYSTEM.
hence SYSTEMATIC
There is nothing logical in demonizing a SYSTEM in favor of another system if your whole argument is .."muh systemic" barriers.

Followers of MARX are idiots.
the only way to a societal triumph is through
TRUE ETHNIC NATIONALISM
Where every member is a voting member
And any deviation away from the ETHNIC GOOD is Forbidden
all the while TENURE is limited and guided by TERM LIMITS
and loyalty is ensured by WEALTH GAINS are forbidden by
Politicians while they hold office. The Political class should be
ruled by the people by way of FEAR of repercussions of
fucking the PEOPLE over.

MARX was a frizz haired jew

Classic socialists you can use Friedman theories to disprove all of their shit.
Modern leftists that adopt Adorno Feankfurt school behavior you can't ask them anything.
The only strategy is attack their beliefs and hope they wake up someday.

>is the bum/beggar of a town just as worthy as a genius/inventor?

marxists think "value" is a natural resource and not just a concept. they're literally fucking morons. especially the academic ones.
>How am I wrong?
the Reichsmark was gold backed and pegged to several foreign currency values.

Actually you could kind of make an argument for your point, I guess?

>On the 27th September, 1923, the government declared a state of emergency and abdicated. A new government completed the reform plan: the new currency should be the Rentenmark, based on gold. It was not declared legal tender, no conversion ratio with the paper mark was set, nor was it actually backed by gold - there was not enough of it in Germany. The issuing bank, the "Deutsche Rentenbank" was independent from the outset. The new money was not based on the state, but on the economy itself. The agricultural sector and the industries each took on a half of the bank's capital in the form of debt - mortgages in the value of 4% of all lands used for agriculture and forestry, and debt issued by the industries, crafts and trades, each in amount of 1600 million goldmark.

wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

>birth requires the labour of your mother carrying and feeding you lazy ass
so is this a pro abortion ad...?

Marx lists race as a material factor of production in vol. 1 of Capital, so there's that. They sound like third-rate undergrad Marxists.

This is the essence of what you are dealing with

"The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis." Lifton

Reminds me of Bezmenov's programming description for Marxist propaganda. Definitely interesting. I never heard of the thought-terminating cliché, that's some real shit.

Yes but this reduction to simple “if x equals y then z, checkmate!” Is what plagues literally every single aspect of the society/world we live in and thought police is present on both sides of political spectrum with neo-left being just more batshit insane.

ask them what system is in place under their idea of Communism to keep selfish people from being "capitalistic" and doing the naturally selfish human things that humans naturally do that undermined Communism.
In other words ask, "Who enforces the Communism".
If they answer along the lines of Communism doesn't need to be enforced, they are idiots
If they answer reeducation, camps, imprisonment, death for every generation of humans that behaves naturally, then they are honest

ok but how did the USSR thrive so well then? if it was a truly socialist society, how did it last for such a long period? (1918-1991)

Yeah, we talked about this before with "who watches the watchmen?" sort of scenario. This was actually a good concept to tackle for them, because they do not necessarily know how to "community police for marginalized people" (those who are oppressed, black, etc) without accidentally becoming the Brown Shirts.

I also pointed this out to be the white savior complex, and they disagreed due to promoting human rights, etc.

The brainwashing process has been going on in the schools. These people have been brainwashed and unfortunately they are now very dangerous. The eight criteria of brainwashing is where there Marxist feel the right to dispense with the existence of anyone who does not believe as they.

>liquidating people left and right
yea, i wonder how

Ask them if they believe they have the ability or the need for everything they own

You want a successful communist nation? Combine Fascism with Socialism that rewards based on merit and quality of the human being.

>whites get increased rewards, programs to help alleviate the suffering, eugenics program that promotes healthy living and offspring, labour industry education programs that will lead to a healthy, independent generation of workers that will be loyal to their race and the state, education programs offered to successful students and those that show promise while working to help those that are lagging behind due to socially-imposed (like abusive households) and giving them a second chance. If any fail and do not meet the quality mark standard, design a system that works to give these "second rate citizens" a place in society, like garbage men, janitors, fast food workers, and let them be presented with the chance to succeed by working backwards towards the top that won't cost them living expenses, by rewarding for productivity. If they don't, this is why mankind invented a gulag. Make a crime to be a failure.

>strip women of their rights expect to be allowed to express opinions (it isnt like anyone will listen to them anyways, but placating with falsehoods always brings about semi positive results

>ban jews/niggers/unproductive non-whites from the country that can not fulfill important roles we need whites to fulfill. Juan the janitor can exist in a town of five hundred, but WILL be monitored closely and be deported should he be easily replaced, no questions asked.

There you go, there's the stepping stones to a successful Nazbol country. Marx understood the human element was flawed and unless you have pure, total control, nothing will be achieved. I doubt he knew exactly what kind of leadership would be required but one with direct foresight and harsh but rational judgement would be needed.

Capitalist's are soft doughboys and neet-fags, look at AnCaps and Libertards. Fucking liberals wearing different clothes.

Con.

People are not taught to think for themselves, only to feel. The brainwashing is very powerful and the methods are now very advanced.

Take their shoes by force and give them to some wino.

>he doesn't know about ULP

I understand they're in very, very deep. One of them is actually nearing the scary end. However, they are my only few friends and, in all other aspects other political, they are decent people with good intentions.

They refuse to talk to right wing extremists or anyone on the right, which puts me in an interesting position. I go out of my way to read their literature and talk to them, yet they avoid places like Yas Forums like the plague.

>"Oh you hate society yet you participate it?"

They'd hit me with that meme, unfortunately

Why are you friends with communists? They at least need to be ostracized if we're not going to execute them at the moment.

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Marxist only recruit the best people they can find.

Your friends are in what is called Milieu Control.

"Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large."

This is the first criteria of brainwashing.

Once you hit your late 20's making new friends is definitely more of a chore. I've known these guys for years. They may be able to come to reason.

Do they understand they are a class that is going to be liquidated