>as a clarification, this is a mock debate. The positions are given, you can larp as one side or the other. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU HOLD THAT POSITION. This is for shits and giggles.
I'm bored, so i'll take up a liberal position and i'm challenging you to a debate. The rules: >Today's topic is abortion >my position is pro-choice >you can join in either as a pro-lifer or pro-choicer >your task is to try and btfo the other >no links, treat this as a live debate where you can't just whip out your phone >no 1pbtid, stick around or i'll stick it in you >you have to state your position in the name field
The opening statement: >women, as sovereign beings, have the right to abort a pregnancy.
By your dumb logic, I could punch the belly of a 6 months pregnant woman causing an involuntary abortion and I would get the same punishment as if I punched a random guy, since the fetus isn't alive thus I'm not murdering anyone.
Anthony Sanchez
I like this already
Oliver Anderson
Repost from old thread, since nobody wanted to throw hands with me....
>>women, as sovereign beings, should have the right to abort a pregnancy. - It takes two to create human life. - The Male - the father - gets no say in the matter whatsoever when it comes to abortion. - Women are ruled by emotion and are feckless, selfish, unreasonable and unaccountable. - Young women in particular have an Id and an Ego, but not a Superego, which explains why they are narcissistic, selfish, me-centered, feckless, etc... - Which means they are being encouraged to kill an unborn child when they are literally mentally impaired, with zero input from the father. >Sovereign beings. Please. This country started the long slide into the shitter when they were given the vote. If they can't be trusted with a simple vote, then they cannot be trusted to make an informed decision about abortion, especially when the father is being cut out of the decision making process... And I have not even begun to talk about murdering an unborn child being morally repellent and repugnant...
Nathan Russell
OP is an faggot. Debate me.
Benjamin Scott
bruh just end this you know its not right to kill babies sage
Nolan Turner
The babies are members of society and we have a duty to protect them from irresponsible mothers who try to abdicate their obligations.
Angel Wood
>women, as sovereign beings, have the right to abort a pregnancy A fetus is a person and sovereign beings don't have the right to murder.
There's 8000 years of law, language, science, culture, religion and history that rock solid confirms birth is the beggining of new human life.
How old are you? Not a personal question but there is no one in our society that counts thei age form the moment of conception. No law confers personhood then. We don't celebrate your Fertilizer Day. Like the transition of a larva into a fly, we call it the Miracle of Birth for a reason.
Anthony Miller
If you stab someone, and he bleeds out some time later, you still caused his death. Even if the fetus is not alive, by the mother's will it has the potential to become alive >It takes two to create human life. >what is virgin birth
>The Male - the father - gets no say in the matter whatsoever when it comes to abortion. He shouldn't. The fetus is in the mother, so it's her responsibility >Women are ruled by emotion and are feckless, selfish, unreasonable and unaccountable Raise them better then
>This country started the long slide into the shitter when they were given the vote. If they can't be trusted with a simple vote, then they cannot be trusted to make an informed decision about abortion, especially when the father is being cut out of the decision making process... Why should i listen to a bigot? N-no.. Read the op faggot >as a clarification, this is a mock debate. The positions are given, you can larp as one side or the other. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU HOLD THAT POSITION. This is for shits and giggles. After birth, yeah Can she move it?
Ryan Sanchez
I'm not sure what I'm seeing in this picture. Is that a partially reconstituted twin?
Ayden Evans
op is a faggot
Josiah Richardson
Obviously abortion will always be legal in some cases. I just go all the way and say I would rather each choice be up to the individual and not some sort of government panel.
I also don't want my wife being reported to the police by her fundamentalist christian family if she miscarries. That would be the reality of the pro-life world so many want to bring about.
Levi Lopez
>Allowing nigger women's rights
kek
But seriously >Sovereign Sovereignty is sacrificed when one belongs to a society for the greater good of that society. When a man is conscripted, forced into child support, pays tax, goes into quarantine, etc, he very much sacrifices his sovereignty for the good of society.
With this in mind, regardless if abortion is good for a society is moot - a woman does not have the right to it as an absolute as their sovereignty is limited by society.
Jordan Adams
What race is it?
James Sullivan
Exactly, what are you seeing? Two persons? Two human beings? Would it be murder to remove what is on that girl's back? Of course not.
Mason Thomas
/thread
Jonathan Bailey
>If you stab someone, and he bleeds out some time later, you still caused his death. According to you, a fetus isn't someone, it isn't alive, so this comparison doesn't make sense.
>Even if the fetus is not alive, by the mother's will it has the potential to become alive. I could use the same argument to say that she can't have an abortion since it has the potential to become alive.
Brayden Cook
>>women, as sovereign beings, have the right to abort a pregnancy. >Feminists: A fetus isn't a human being. My body, my choice. Pregnant woman gets shot and dies. The fetus dies. >Also feminists: Charge him with two counts of murder. Takes two to create a human life - male and female. >Also also feminists: The father gets no say. I could go on...
Jace Cooper
t. someone that likely does not respect 8k of history when debating gay marriage
ITT: losers that cannot disprove science and so lie and ignore.
A brain dead patient is not equivalent to a developing human that will eventually survive to birth given ideal conditions and no human intervention. One is on a decline while the other is growing. The only commonality is a generalised view of being dependent on life support systems, which is also a stretch due to the same point along with the fact that the entire premise of pro choice is that the foetus constitutes one being with the mother, which they claim enables the ability to "remove it" like a tumour. Self contradiction built around the idea they want to murder their unborn.
At the point of accepting it is human, personhood becomes an irrelevant coping strategy to advance their self confessed agenda of prioritisation of feelings and ideology over innocent life.
The foetus as a human, has the right to life. OP rekt forever because they are actually a roastbeard faggot.
life begins from the point of fertilisation of the ovum by spermatozoon resulting in a zygote, the first stage of a humans life and development. Prior to this, the gametes are just that, gametes and are not an embryo. At the point of conception a zygote is formed which means a new human. You cannot deny this without denying basic biological science in favour of social "science" theory. get rekt.
Thomas Davis
american Why is a broken child in a broken home good for a society? Why must the child suffer through their first 18 years of life in an orphanage? I'd rather just kill them at that point
Okay if a someone only becomes a person after birth does that mean abortion the day before birth is ok?
Asher Martin
>IS ABORTION GOOD? The point is moot. I'm not arguing that its good or bad, I'm arguing that women don't have a right to it.
Also
>What race is it?
Angel Green
It's on the woman not an argument, BIGOT
Owen Wilson
You're a brainlet cunt that ignored any actual arguments last thread because you cant rebut them or disprove them, being a brainlet relying on feminist justification for personhood in place of humanity. get rekt you salty faggot, you're 100% nupol soyboy
Ian Martin
>After birth, yeah before birth too
Josiah Torres
no one likes you
Connor Scott
Someone screencapped the rekt?
David Foster
t. prolapse
Jaxon Lee
just read the last thread
Isaac Bennett
>After birth, yeah As a matter of fact even before birth. When a pregnant mother is killed, that is treated as TWO murders, not just one. That's because the baby is part of our society even before it's birthed.
Jonathan Carter
If the mother wills it
Noah Cook
>He shouldn't. The fetus is in the mother, so it's her responsibility Bullshit. What is "child support"? Can't have it both ways. The baby is either solely her responsibility, or it's both the mother and father's responsibility. >Raise them better then Also bullshit. Women, by definition, are this way. It is their default setting - made worse by the fact that young humans - both male and female - have undeveloped personailities. The Superego emerges between 3 and 5 years of age, but does not fully mature until the mid-20's... Which explains why younger humans are me-centered narcissists. >Why should i listen to a bigot? Hurling a Word of Power will not work here. The Left has grown used to throwing pejoratives at those who disagree with them, and at first, it worked. Accuse someone of something and they will backpedal and defend against the fake charges. >Bigot Yeah? So what? You going to argue the point or are you just going to call me more names? It's not that what you say is true - it's that we know you're going to call us names REGARDLESS of the truth... And we don't care anymore. Get new material.
Brandon Hughes
>>my position is pro-choice
Pro-Choice >degenerates utilize abortion services >kills and or stops degenerate from raising more degenerates >defacto practicing eugenics
Pro-choice is self initiated eugenics for degenerates.
>Can she move it? Move what? Can the person A move person B? Can person B move person A? Be specific.
Isaiah Hill
Based on a faulty supposition that being leftist or progressive degenerate women only raise leftist sons and daughters, as if political bias or belief is literally genetic. Predisposition is not a guarantee, loser.
Ian Rivera
>women, as sovereign beings you already lost
Adrian Peterson
Soul enters the body after first breath. However, abortion should be banned as Women should not be allowed to whore around and casually exit out of their natural role of motherhood.
Charles Scott
tumors have different genetic material too
Oliver Rogers
>Okay if a someone only becomes a person after birth does that mean abortion the day before birth is ok In our society which is far more technological, and preemies have a chance of existing outside the womb, the point where the lungs are fully developed is the earliest opportunity for fetal termination. But preemies suffer a lifetime of serious physical and neurological complications so it isn't advised.
By our law you can't chose when to end another life.
The moment a new strand of DNA is formed it is a new life.
Debate over.
Charles Fisher
>earliest latest
Ryder White
what is this and how do I vote to abort it
Charles Campbell
What if it’s self defense?
Samuel Nelson
life is hard, fetuses do not have vitality of consciousness to experience pain therefore it is preferable to allow a "mother" who wants to do it anyway because she would never love the child anyway.
Zachary Foster
>people whose mothers had c-sections aren't alive
Sure thing, mate.
Colton Gonzalez
Quick question. Have you ever asked a Korean how old they are? They will give you two ages. You can guess which ones they are.
Colton Adams
You in your mother's womb years ago.
Alexander Nguyen
I thing post-natal abortion should be a right for the fathers, what do you think?
Charles Diaz
>by the mother's will it has the potential to become alive
Gawd you are dumb. This is really the best you can do? You just claim a fetus isn't alive? That's fucking retarded.
Jose Rivera
Where did you go? I was hoping you were going to stay on topic and at least say something constructive, other than just calling me names... Or are you ignoring me because you're losing?
Angel Gutierrez
Poppy comes out the poopy hole and makes it poopy
Hudson Roberts
This is a bad reading of MacBeth
William Bailey
Okay where do I vote to abort
Jordan Torres
I saw a fetus on a sonogram while a doctor took a Sample with a needle. The fetus reacted to the stimulus the same way you would. A fetus can feel pain.
Dominic White
A completely different situation and not relevant to OPs point.
Matthew Hall
>Have you ever asked a Korean how old they are? They will give you two ages. I would ask for ID to make sure they're legal anyway.
James Flores
Do you remember how life was life when you were in the womb, no? thought so. This person will likely grew up neglected and become and awful human being(you cannot gamble on the likelihood that the mother will have a change of heart. The witch already proved to be witch when she wanted to abort in the first place). I win. You lose. See you next time.
Zachary Hughes
The woman is taking the half genetic copy of the man and ending its potential for replication without his consent. The fetus has the potential to be a human being, and as such ending that prematurely is ending that future life. Why is killing a pregnant woman double homicide if killing the fetus isn't murder?
Brody Diaz
Most of those children would have turned out just like their parents. Slaughtering them is good for society. I donate money every month to fund abortions for "underprivileged' minorities.
Jayden Cooper
Women, as sovereign beings, have the responsibility to not carry a child they cannot keep alive.
