I'm bored, so i'll take up a liberal position and i'm challenging you to a debate.
The rules:
>Today's topic is abortion
>my position is pro-choice
>you can join in either as a pro-lifer or pro-choicer
>your task is to try and btfo the other
>no links, treat this as a live debate where you can't just whip out your phone
>no 1pbtid, stick around or i'll stick it in you
The opening statement:
>women, as sovereign beings, should have the right to abort a pregnancy.
May the better position win.
You can't put someone in a dangerous position and then get them killed.
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>women, as sovereign beings, should have the right to abort a pregnancy.
Baby doesn't have a choice
BTFO
Women can’t be sovereign beings because the people of any society where they are considered sovereign beings, are either conquered outright or demographically replaced, and become extinct or irrelevant within a handful of generations following.
What if they chose to die though?
Checkmate
What race is it?
Ok, since nobody else is going, let me refute your opening statement.
Nobody becomes a sovereign anything without a mother, even a mother required a mother. Therefore, what you claim as sovereignty may exist, but it is gifted to you, and you have no place to remove it from another person.
Killed is the wrong word. If something is in the process of being brought to life, you can't really kill it unless the process is done
Women shouldn't have any control whatsoever over the future generations of the nation. By allowing them the choice to abort their children you have given them undue status and control over the direction of the nation.
Pro-choice, would also like to add rape victims should not be forced to incubate and eventually bear the spawn of their attackers
Define life
Are you implying that men aren't sovereign beings?
If not, then men should also have the right to abort a pregnancy
By definition, it is already living. even if it's not murder it would be animal abuse no?
If you're not killing it, then why does it stop growing?
Life and death are binary. Sage.
Very small percent of pregnancies emergency contraceptives can stop this before an abortion anyways
Why wouldn't you want to stop progressives having children and bringing up other progressives
I'm pro-choice from a libertarian standpoint, it's not the government's business. My personal feelings are irrelevant
Kek
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>Women shouldn't have any control whatsoever over the future generations of the nation.
They are just as capable of making decisions as you are, maybe more so
In the case of humans, the ability to process outside stimuli and react to it (ergo thinking), and vital functions
mfw progressives vasectomize and abort each other to "save the environment"
It’s life. When does that process complete? At birth? What changes when the physical location is changed to outside? It’s self-replicating cells, an organism with human DNA. A human life.
>muh sperm
Not self replicating, does not grow, only half of human dna
>not self sufficient
Neither are newborns, for that matter. Or coma patients. Is killing a person in a coma on life support murder or not?
Any more arguments to btfo?
I am pro life but only under certain conditions:
-it's white
-it's healthy
-it's birth is unlikely to bring harm to the mother
-it was conceived through a consensual act
Otherwise i don't really care.
>Killed is the wrong word. If something is in the process of being brought to life,
It's already alive you dumb cunt, a better argument would be that it's not sentient.
Even then, you're still killing a human.
>im a lonely fag talk to me
>btw I win haha
If you wanna talk so bad, tell us where you live so we can come visit, fag
Women always get themselves into trouble, they think with their hearts not their heads. Surely this is obvious to you if you've been around women.
oh wait...
so parents are at any point allowed to kill their children?
>capable of making decisions, maybe more so
Of course. Anyone can "make decisions", women just consistently make incorrect ones.
Should the father have a say in the fate of the unborn child? Why not?
>In the case of humans, the ability to process outside stimuli and react to it (ergo thinking), and vital functions
Do we kill deaf and blind people too? How about people on life support?
The problem is you have a different set of rules for everyone
ok lets ask baby if it wants to be killed in brutal way
>implying
Is getting rid of a roundworm isn't, it's the same caliber
I'm implying that women have the sole responsibility over the pregnancy, so they should have the sole right over it.
*clap*Thank *clap*you
Oh fuk, this is going too fast, someone help me
If it's a nigger, kill it. If it's a white, spare it. If it's a beaner, deport or kill it.
We should craft instead a society where abortion is relegated to that of special circumstances. Sex should not be the center or focus of a society nor promoted as much as it is.