Is Lutheranism based?

>they didn't believe in the church for asking money to buy a place in heaven, as it just sounded sketchy and corrupt
That sounds pretty based. If you serve God, you're supposed to take a vow of poverty. Does the Satanic Church in Rome look like they are living in poverty?

well they got infiltrated by jesuits
i live in a special area where the border between catholics and lutherans goes trough the middle of my town,
80 years ago it was like two different countries, they were not allowed to marry from the other side, but today only old people go to church, and the priest is usually a nigger with african accent, so the old people dont understand a word, pretty much like in the latin mass

your "founding fathers" were all freemasons, deists/atheists and anti-catholic

... as a lutheran, this may be biased, but Luther pointed out corruption in the church that definitely needed fixing. he didnt want to split the church, but he inspired a bunch of idiots to do stupid shit like peasants revolt and Henry the something roman numeral to start an entirely new church just to divorce his wife

>freemasons
>anti-catholic
If freemason really came from the Knight Templar, the were pawns of the Catholic Church; i.e. they served satan. So no, the founding fathers were cathcucks.

>Henry the something roman numeral to start an entirely new church just to divorce his wife
That's the Church of England

Direct me to one (1) modern Lutheran church (an actual church not something in a strip mall or somebody's basement) that teaches On The Jews and Their Lies to its congregation and I will forever say "except the Lutherans" when bashing Christcucks.

Spoilers: you can't.

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Luther is not a fucking saint
we don't have to agree with all his writings

Is Eastern Orthodox based on the JQ?

exactly. i think lutherans would be more based if they used all the books luther wrote

>cuckianity
>based

>On The Jews and Their Lies
TIL it's real
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

I thought it was just some Yas Forums larp.

i am reading it right now, it's a good book. you should read it too

i am reading it right now, you should too

>Reject Rome
>Reject heirarchy
>Reject authority
>Reject tradition
Very based bro very based

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>>they didn't believe in the church for asking money to buy a place in heaven
The Catholic Church allows you to offer as a means of penance which is completely legit. *Some* clergy abuse of this power is naturally going to happen and is wrong but the concept itself is perfectly fine.

Offer alms as means of penance

>means of penance
Paying for salvation. That's not how it works.

>"and he said, 'Cornelius, your prayer has been heard and your alms have been remembered before God"

Except it is.

this is why I have drifted away from the church I grew up in. Lutherans in America are divided into several different sects, but the largest is the ELCA and at this point it's just a bunch of leftists with little actual theology. In some part of the country you can find more traditional lutheran churches (WELS and Missouri Synod) but in general it's pretty bad. When the lutheran church I attended while living in california sponsored a "gay coptic lutheran" to attend seminary in Berkeley I knew I was going to have to walk away for a while.

No it's cringe like all form of protestantism. It lead to the weakening and irrelevance of Christianity.

Luther was great, and the 'Protestant masters' are actually amazing. They are true Christians without any of the pandering-to-human-authority bullcrap that so many Papists and Orthodox (and CofE) do. I maintain that the best Protestants today are quite frankly the best Christians out there.

The problem is that whilst the highs of the Protestant Church are higher than the Orthodox or Catholics; the lows are FAR lower. High tier Protestants know all about the Early Church Fathers, have a wealth of understanding of the Catholic and Orthodox branches are acknowledge and respect those great Christians who were a part of it (and for the record, to a Protestant it is faith in Christ alone that saves; so there are most certainly saved Christians among the other sects). The problem is that so many Protestants are woefully uneducated, and they lack the long-held tradition that are embedded in so many Catholic and Orthodox writings and rituals that maintain a good amount of virtue. The low-tier Christian understands nothing of the significance of the events of the Bible in their relation to the great themes of spirituality; the necessity of rebirth/baptism is lost on them, it is just something that is. They do not understand the trials of the Early Church, they do not understand the context of really anything (obvious examples being crap about not judging), they nominally follow ideas like Just War or the Holy Trinity but have no idea about how they were formed, and more often than not they have precisely zero knowledge concerning the Hebrews, the Scribes, the Pharisees or the Jews, which has led to so much error that it is actually amazing. The phrase 'judeo-Christian' sums up their absolute lack of understanding; Christianity and Pharisaism (later Judaism) were ARCH ENEMIES from the very beginning because they interpreted EVERYTHING differently.

And thus the best Protestants are truly the best Christians, the worst Protestants are likely the worst Christians.

>post a thread praising something Protestant
>catholinigger chimp out guaranteed

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There are primary 3 forms of penance pleasing God found in the Bible: prayer, almsgiving and fasting. The Catholic Church being a valid Christian Church promotes and recognizes all 3.

>muh validity

You realize nobody else recognizes that shit as a legitimate criticism, right? "Valid orders" is self-masterbatory bullshit.

What degeneracy? You’re a pot stirring atheist, hell bent for leather to keep Christians to arguing.

Lutheranism is based theologically, but practically there are "Lutheran" church bodies that are degenerate liberal wastelands.
t. Lutheran

No fan of Francis but the comparison is laughable.

Official Catholic Teaching:
>Homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and a mortal sin
>Cantraceptivea is a mortal sin
>Abortion is a mortal sin
>Transgenderism doesn't exist (Francis himself said it was a perversion)
> Divorce doesn't exist
> Women cannot be priests, bishops, deacons

Proddys:
>None of the above

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No see here user, when an Orthodox tells you to "read the church fathers", you aren't supposed to actually go and do it, you're supposed to just take their word for it and BEGOME.
You ESPECIALLY aren't supposed to read them and come to the conclusion that the Protestant reformers knew what they were talking about. You're just supposed to trust Gods True Universal KGB Church bro, come on, get with the memes, they're so BASED.

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ELCA is largely liberal trash. Not even Christian is some cases. There are plenty of other groups to go to. Based choice to walk away from that degeneracy bro.

Bible says the only means of penance is faith in God. This concept in scripture is throughout the New Testament. I’m not hating on Catholics, I think they money they corrupted out of poor peasants incapable of reading the Latin text the Bible was bound to in those days produced some amazing cathedrals that are bastions of Christianity. Mankind is corrupted it is and was in everything. Luther is right about many things and in his place in time he opened the door to many to have faith by giving them a Bible they could read.

Based Lutherans

You understand there is no one Protestant church, right? You can wrap your shrunken illiterate mind around that?

Catholics have some work to do to catch up with the majority of Prots.

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This is actually a pretty fair assessment. Have a (you)

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This is true. European Lutheranism and ELCA got Jewed hard core

I agree 100%. In America the Protestant church is made up of totally ignorant morons. Which is why Dawkins chose them to interview for his gotcha movies

No, the Lutheran church is anti-gun, and therefore cucked. Only pro-gun protestant church is Baptist.

No. They condone homosexuality.

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Luther was unironically based and redpilled. The kikes have destroyed everything he accomplished tho.

Baby's first rejection of the Traditions of Men

Some do

You people need to learn the difference between mainline denominations and evangelical denominations

The ELCA is mainline
WELS, ELDONA, Wisconsin synod are evangelical

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I think this is the case anywhere. For example, in America most Orthodox converts are fairly intelligent. (I said converts).

Meanwhile in Orthodoxy's native countries, you get this vomit inducing shit.

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Tithing. Tithing is considered a duty in the Bible to keep churches alive to keep spreading the good word. Tithing is not a a sacrament. Christ’s death in the cross and His redemption was the only penance required according to God as Christ was able to overcome death in resurrection, to purchase the salvation of mankind through his blood when he descended into hell, and mere faith in him and asking for forgiveness in prayer are what purifies the heart. Indulgences for the first time in all Christendom edged away at the tenants of our Faith based religion and Luther rightfully introduced his thesis to create theological debate amidst the church and was excommunicated by a pope that had eyes set on earthly power. This was 1517. Look through history at that time and notice the leaders of Christ’s church and Peter’s pope weren’t incorruptible.

"Protestant" isn't a catch all for non-Catholic. Fundamentalist evangelicals are the ones you see in gotcha videos. Lutherans clergy and theologians are generally highly educated.
To be fair sometimes it is poor theological education, but you generally avoid the retard tier.

>The Catholic Church being a valid Christian Church
no

Lmao, this is false. Burgers need to differentiate between ELCA and literally every other Lutheran organization. ELCA is fully cucked for sure. But they don't hold Lutheran beliefs. The name is just left over heritage, stripped of any meaning.

nonsense. Protestantism is the conservative version of christianity. Protestants are radicals who took the verses in the bible seriously. Whenever protestants got into power, they took extremely severe action against degeneracy.
- Removing all the artwork from the churches (distracts from god)
- Shutting down brothels and motels
- Setting up street patrols where degenerates were arrested and hauled before the high council (usually they were punished in brutal ways, or even executed).
- Forcing women to cover up

Protestants are literally the Wahabist version of Christianity

Maybe, but the point was that rich people got a ticket to heaven because they were rich - it had literally nothing to do with faith or being a good person

Checked. ELCA is really the only fully cucked group. Others are varying degrees of normie to based.

They're up there

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wtf is going on there? sauce?