>Romanian authorities have denied Russian researcher A.I. Umnov-Denisov’s entrance in Romania when he came to the country to hold a conference about what he calls the Slavic origin of the Dacian people – the tribes known as the precedessors of the Romanian people.
>He was sent back to Russia from the Bucharest International Airport Henry Coandă, the Russian Embassy announced in a Facebook post on Tuesday, The Russian researchers had come to Romania to present his pan-Slavic theses that claim that the Romanian language is not linked in any way to Latin, as it is commonly known and accepted.
>Umnov-Denisov was about to hold a lecture on Dacian Tribes – who they are and where they are from, at the Russian Center of Science and Culture which had opened in Bucharest following a deal between Russia and Romania in 2013, when the PSD-led Victor Ponta government was in office.
>The Russian researchers were also about to hold letures at the Vasile Parvan archeology institute in Bucharest and the Andrei Saguna University in the Black Sea city of Constanta, according to the Russian Embassy message. Umnov-Denisov’s theses are already promoted in Romania by various websites which push Russian anti-Western propaganda.
Last but not least: >The Russian official propaganda ocnstantly uses such theses in attempts to weaken links between Romania and the West.
Just imagine having such a feeble self-esteem as a nation that you retort to force to stifle any pertinent ideas which oppose the false but widespread rhetoric. Fucking hell. Yet nobody bats an eye to this vulgar infringement of the right of freedom of speech because it comes from Russia.
Actually if anything the Dacians were Balts or Scythians not Slavs
Jason Martin
I'd go for the Scythian theory as well. But really, the point was that Romanian authorities really take pains to stifle any kind of oposition to the widespread rhetoric of "we wuz romanz". This is totalitarian state level of censorship for the sake of a half baked myth
As for Balts? How could Dacians have been Balts? There were like 1000km between the southernmost Balt region and the northern reaches of the Getae territory.
Brandon Fisher
Because a computational analysis found that Dacian language fragment was closest to Lithuanian and Old Prussian, which to be fair are the most ancient languages in Europe.We assume that all the Steppe aryans only spoke Iranian languages but there is a possibility that Baltic was much more widely spread based on hydronyms, there was also Germanic influence in some of the tribes. Its just a theory though
Thomas Martinez
Baltic languages are closer to Sanskrit too, this doesn't mean a direct link between the two, at least not one which would go only 3000 years back in time. As indo-european speakers, they may have not even been in contact with each other (Balts and Dacians) but colonised by the same tribes, since indo-european language speakers hailed from the area which was to become Scythia.
Jack Sanders
Why this is really uncalled for you dont have to ban people if they have a different opinion.
Mason Roberts
He would rock the boat too much. It's not rocket science that the theory of we wuz romanz hangs by a thread. At this point Romania is doing a North Macedonia tier larp.
Chase Fisher
Well its proven by genetic studies that the "roman" legions who were given land here were far from being ethnically roman but instead elements from outside of European soil.I dont understand why nobody is allowed to challenge a theory
Cameron Murphy
Why does it matter to Romanians so much that they would deny someone entry over this? No one on earth knows who the fuck his ancestors 1000 or 2000 years ago were, it doesn't matter AT ALL.. Romanians are just the people who speak Romanian, are Orthodox Christians, look a certain way and live in a certain region. Everything else is irrelevant. It's like the Albanians in search of an identity always proclaiming some bullshit like they were Egyptian pharaos, or they came from Atlantis, or they were the first Europeans.
William Rogers
What's with the we wuz romanz shit? Didn't the Dacians actually fight against romans? How can they be related even Jesus fucking Christ. Just like we are not Huns or fucking Avars I have a lot of doubt you were roman. Romanian has romance elements due to a substantial population of romans settling in the area.
Chase Adams
This is complete nonsense and irrelevant. God created every people and every language. Fake science for idiots.
Parker Bell
Because again, it would shatter too much of the foundation our national pride is built upon, whomever needs it anyway. But rest assured, we aren't the only historically insignificant country in Eastern Europe which romanticized larping. Think a bit, from the age of 10 (4th grade) the system hammers into the kids' heads that we wuz romanz. A theory which can easily be refuted by taking a quick look at the phenotypes.
>more slavic than south slavs check >more mongoloid (tatar/turkic) than most of Europe besides ex-USSR check >west med phenotypes rare, most med phenotypes being similar to Greeks check >toponyms, surnames being mostly south and east slav check >regionalisms, pronunciation and dialects being almost entirely slavic check
Yep, it's like Albanians, this is how low we succumbed.
Ayden Ramirez
>Because again, it would shatter too much of the foundation our national pride is built upon, whomever needs it anyway. What foundation myth? Nobody is a nationalist in Romania and among the political sphere the opposite is true they are by default globalist. Personally I dont understand why the director of Romanian cultural institute is so much against the dacian theory or why he is such a judeo christian cuck.
Jason Hill
LMAO
Charles Phillips
The romance elements are undeniable, but where is the cultural heritage? Also, bear in mind that the romance elements were heavily reinforced from 16th century onwards, many of them working as replacements for slavic words already rooted in the lexicon. Into the bargain, Romanian pronunciation was heavily altered to have the cleanest and most romance way of sounding, even though it still sounds close to the surrounding Slavic languages and bears some traits which couldn't be erased, such as the existence of semivowel î - which is rendered in Russian as ы, or in SC as the sound between 'h' and 'rvat' in 'hrvat'.
Regional forms of pronunciation (which are frowned upon as lowbrow and peasant-ish), include the palatalisation of 'ni' - as in hungarian 'ny', influenced obviously by east slavs, as well as a hard H sound used instead of F. Sounds which aren't part of the phonetics of the language also include the turning of G into a voiceless fricative as in Ukrainian or as the Greek gamma sound.
Angel Baker
Nobody is a nationalist in the sphere where EU doesn't allow it. Romanian politics are the embodiment of what would be personal frustration in individuals. Toeing the line submissively like a good slave to the EU masters yet venting the frustration on other 'safe' targets. It's safe to dismiss someone from Russia as long as Russia is acknowledged as an enemy.
I don't deny Russia IS an enemy for Romania, but this lies beyond the scope of the discussion. However, for many Romanians, 'slav' only means Russian, and not our close-related cousins to the south-west or the completely unrelated but friendly Czechs/slovaks.
David Bennett
The sole reason for this hatred is because USA has an agenda against Russia, it has absolutely nothing to do with any meme of national myth or nationalism.Its just another way to cut Russian influence outside of their sphere.
Angel Ortiz
SHIIIIIEEEEET NAH NIGGA WE WUZ ROMANS
John Richardson
Nah. DNA says Dacians were allways I2 Balkanites I. E. Native Southern Europeans. Only they didn't get the tall genes injected into them.
Jaxson Gutierrez
Who else did create your language then? What exactly is even the process of creating a language in real life? And how did the first human being go from no language to having a language? These theories to explain languages are designed the same way that retarded conspiracy theories are designed.
Jaxon Rodriguez
current year to the max, zero separation between history, politics & propaganda.
Dylan Myers
>Why does it matter to Romanians so much that they would deny someone entry over this? Because they want to avoid Russian colonization.
Nolan Morgan
What sphere? This university professor was there for a fucking lecture, he had no agenda whatsoever. Just imagine what thought process the romanian authorities had >ohhh he wants to prove that we are slavs and slavs means russians so they are going to attach us to the federation like they did to Crimea oh nooo!!1 I mean, that's the best I could come up with. Try finding a better reason or train of thoughts they had when they decided upon denying entrance to a fucking non-aligned professor.
Liam Brooks
By eliminating relationship with Russia, the more incidents they create the less likely will be we will have normal diplomatic agenda with them.Thus we become dependent on USA even more for technology or economic investment.
Mason Wilson
Why would being slav be tantamount to them wanting to colonise us? Were the Kazakhs slavs? Were the Georgians slavs? Aren't the Czechs slavs? Russia has never had any claim on Czechia.
Jace Fisher
This is bait. I'm pretty sure that if a researcher from within EU came (say, Poland) to prove we are slavs, they would let him in. You have a point.
Ayden Gray
Dacians were I2 >Dinaric I2a” and the expansion of Common Slavs from East-Central Europe . >I-L621 is typical of the South Slavic populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Bosnia-Herzegovina (>50%) in Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats.[3] There is also a high concentration of I-L621 in north-east Romania and Moldova.
It is bait to you because it so obviously makes science look fake and like a conspiracy theory. I'M A SCIENTIST, SO SHUT UP AND STAY INSIDE FEARING THE VIRUS, ... FOREVER!
Lucas Robinson
MUIE LU PUTIN
Connor Sanchez
Half of Romania was part of the rus and was populated by east slavs in 1000-1200 but then mongols came and killed everybody and it was a wasteland then Romanians setteled and assimilated the Last remnants of slavs
there weren't slavs back in those times slav is a language group, and modern day "slavs" descend from the peoples you mentioned
Adam Roberts
Who even gives a fuck about this BS fake science? Go buy yourself a beer with your fake haplogroup.
Mason Long
What evidence do you have?
Mason Sanchez
we wuz dacians. no, albanians are dacians. you are a retard OP. you know absolutely nothing about romanian history. hint: everything you need to know it's in the name.
Liam Morales
>man with r1a fucks a nigger girl >mulatto son has R1a despite being less white than the average shitskin north african haploshits don't mean anything
James Bailey
God can create life out of a stone if he wants to, he doesn't need your blood. Your blood means nothing. If you believe otherwise go to the synagogue.
Nicholas Gomez
There is no genetic or cultural elements to prove you correct, up until the late 18th century the country still used cyrillic alphabet.
Eli Peterson
That only means Romanians are possibly more mutts.
Lincoln Bennett
no, that means you should stop using haploshits
Jack Collins
Based. Don't let subversives deconstruct your national narratives.
Julian Garcia
Either they're 46% slavs or they're 46% slav mutts.
Jeremiah Anderson
frate, daca vreau sa iti scolarizez curul, pot sa o fac. dar sunt satul de idioti. de ce sa trag de maneca un idiot care nu se poate auto-sesiza singur cat e de idiot? :)) am plecat de aici, succes
Elijah Wilson
cont. din partea mea, ramaneti toti dacopatii cu credinta voastra. eu sunt copilul lui Traian. ma trag din Romulus si Remus.
Easton Scott
>national narratives That's exactly what it is, a narrative. Because you fundamentally reject god as the sole creator.
Jaxson Cooper
no, you complete retard subhuman haploshits don't determine admixture, having 46% R1a doens't mean being 46% steppe, i thought i was clear
you know who has the highest amount of R1b in europe? iberians, over 75% and yet their steppe admixture is among the lowest in europe, while people with more steppe have less R1b
LOOK AT ACTUAL GENETIC STUDIES, not haploshits
Jose Rodriguez
You can see that the Romanian symbol (Rmn in the right-bottom part) is very close to Macedonian (Mc), Montenegrin (Mnt), Serbian (Se) and Bulgarian (Bul) samples. But the French (Fr), Spanish (Spa), and Italian (Ita) samples are very far left from this group. No big surprise: Latin did not spread with Latin migrants but rather with the assimilation of non-Latins speakers of the Roman Empire. The indigenous people of Italy, France, and Iberian peninsula do not have too much to do with the population of Romania.
But if you want to have a full picture, you can study all the details of these three quarters. It says the following:
If you study the paternal lines (quarter B), you can see, that Romanian is closest to Macedonian, but there is a specific Balkan group containing Romanian, Macedonian, Albanian and Greek samples.
>f R1b in europe? iberians, over 75% >and yet their steppe admixture R1b is not SLAVIC you cretin.
Grayson Gutierrez
You have no arguments to make whenever you people get challenged the only thing you do is insult and degrade the conversation to elementary school level.
Landon Brooks
mars dracu' de retardat =)) ma distrezi ma pis pe thread-ul tau
Nicholas Reyes
it was an example to show you how much haploshits are useless
if you want an example with r1a specifically indians have high amount of r1a, but they are less close to europeans than the average shitskin north african or arab(pic related) once you look at actual genetic studies such as pcas or admixture charts (both in pic related)
now shut the fuck up because it's obvious you don't know shit about the argument
R1B IS NOT STEPPE ANYTHING YOU IGNRAMOUS. YOU STUPID FUCK THAT SHOWS YOU'RE FUCKING CLUELESS SHITHEAT.
Hunter King
My point proven, insults and degradation of the discussion
Aaron Clark
it is retard dipshit
and it don't matter anyway because it doesn't make the argument not true haploshits are for retarded subhumans such as yourself kepp using it and keep not understanding shit about genetics
Asher Cooper
And the romanians with their we_wuz_roman larper shit got banned from every credible university in the world.
It's more evidence than spewing whatever you like on a Vietnamese cartoon board.
Cooper Davis
it's zero evidence that pca that i showed is worth more than a thousand haplogarbage charts
Charles Morales
Imagine the butthurt lol
Ian Butler
>it's zero Yea any scientific evidence is 0 evidence to you, Romanian education for you no wonder half of your high school population is illiterate.
Jose Brown
not a romanian it matters less than zero, instead it creates confusion for the low IQ retard such as yourself that don't even know how haploshits are passed down
Jason Collins
>low IQ Yea I'm tired of your arguments you adhominem shitbag.
Oh aren't you all high and mighty on an anonymous board?! LOL
Colton Gutierrez
they were right lel butthurt romanian gypsies
Logan Murphy
You fucking moron newfag, check IDs, it's not even his thread, I won't even pick on you for not speaking english on an english-only board and using that abomination of a normalfag emoticon. For fuck's sake, you're boomer tier >they tell this in school so it's true, history cannot be forged, that's for certain
I get the C square, Rmn is close to Hng, Bul, Mac and Slo or Ru, makes sense. But how come we are neighbouring Est? Did they test just one Estonian who happened to be more southern in terms of genetics?
Anthony Lee
The SNPs are found on the Y chromosome and in MT-DNA. They are used to trace male and female lines of heredity. The result of the test is a set of numbers, referred to as the haplotype, that represents the allele values of DYS markers (D for DNA, Y for chromosome, and S for segment) on a portion of the DNA. The haplotype is used to identify the haplogroup of an individual. Thus, the haplogroup represents a group of people who have inherited common genetic characteristics from the same most recent common ancestor (MRCA) going back several thousand years. All humans belong to haplogroups which are designated according to their Y-DNA and MT-DNA. Romanians are mostly I2 meaning south slavic or dinaric seeThe nonrecombining portion of the human Y chromosome is paternally inherited. This chromosome passes from father to son and is essentially unchanged; however, occasionally random small changes, known as polymorphisms, occur. These polymorphisms serve as beacons or markers and can be mapped. Correct interpretation of these changes in the Y chromosome can improve our understanding of temporal and spatial aspects of human history. Thus, the Y chromosome haplogroup, which is a population group descended from the MRCA, can be used as a valuable tool to trace the paternal line of the individual (Jobling and Tyler-Smith, 2003).
Y-DNA tests are available only for men. Short tandem repeats (STRs) or single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) on the Y chromosome are assessed. Because Y-DNA haplogroups are closely linked to geography and populations, they are important genetic indicators to trace paternal lineages and their ancient origins. This study has relied on the Y-DNA haplogroup, as the primary gauge for exploring deep ancestry and geographical origins of the MRCAs.
Joshua Hernandez
Mostly I2 yeah, but we're not the splitting image of the other balkanites. This is the most common look among romanians: humanphenotypes.net/Carpathid.html Which is a mixture between Dinaric, Gorid and Neo-danubian.
William Ward
You still haven't explained me why estonians are so close to romanians, or maybe I didn't quite get it, if you were hinting at it.
