How can anyone with a triple digit IQ actually be against the ownership of firearms if not for subversive purposes?

I’d say any get on a thread that isn’t a tranny bbc thread is not a wasted get

Would you mind telling me where the constitution says gun ownership only applies to muskets? Oh yeah, you can't.

God dammit, I just realized this is bait.

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Because people with double digit iqs get to own them as well and decide when and how they are used

I isnt about IQ. I used to work with a bunch of scientists. I know for a fact the badass ex-marine physicist both owned and enjoyed firemarms - the rest... Very unlikely outside of a few secret 'for defense' owners. Maybe 10% of the department owned a gun.

I would say 85% of the women in the department and 65-75% of the men likely were extremely anti-gun. And why you might ask? Because very few of them where from America. USA no longer takes part in the science done in our own universities. DREAMERS and immigrants absolutely everywhere, and somehow these 'well educated people' have convinced themselves 'all white people are nazis' and 'white people did slavery against africans'.

If you try to explain to them that 25-50 million people (2000-5000% the entire years of slavery in USA) are currently enslaved in the countries they used to live in (india, mexico, china, etc), they look at you like you are speaking complete and total insanity, and change the subject right back to how evil whitey was 150-300 years ago.

Not possible to discuss anything except science with most of them. Humorous day when the dreamer kids tried to get me to go see Sean King talk with them, and I was like 'oh, you mean talcum X?'

There isn’t a good one but most of it comes from Hollywood high status types
Born into nice neighborhoods, never had the threat of having their life in danger

The only danger they know is movies depiction of it, that no matter what you’ll survive or the police/superhero will come and save the day

Basically, being disconnected from the dangers of the world

haha I trolled u guys :^)

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That 1911 is illegal...

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They would use any other weapon however they pleased as well
So basically a bunch of sheltered book smart exclusive socially retarded trannys
More trannys

We have a right to "bear arms", it never specified that it was limited to firearms. Can we own cannons? Legit question, I've always wanted to own one.

>So basically a bunch of sheltered book smart exclusive socially retarded trannys
Worse. One of the couples literally had a trans son. I met him at a party and it really, really disurbed me to see this tall, thin atheletic young alpha-male with 2 genius parents being turned into a 'female' to assuage his insane mother's literal Gender Studies career ego. (Yes, I have been to many parties with gender studies professors being at least 20% of all the wives in the room).

Most scientists in USA are chinese or indian now. USA students are prevented from these careers by a variety of factors I will not mention now except to say, within 10 years 'affirmative actions for white people' will be seriously discussed openly, because without it we are going to become a henpecked, exploited and debased underclass. within 10 years, if that.

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Ever notice almost every gun grabber is a Jew? One would think they might try to be a little more low profile.

A number of Founding Fathers owned ships armed with cannon. The most lethal weapon of the day.

As someone who's trying unsuccessfully to immigrate to the US, I guarantee you all of these jobs are either trash Americans would not want anyways.

Getting sponsorship is EXTREMELY difficult and the only real ways to immigrate to America is to be a fucking killer with a Master's degree and 10 years experience that can actually be extremely competitive for a job offer (I doubt you'll ever get it unless you're applying internally to a different branch of a company), to invest 500-1000k into a business, to be someone rich and famous or to have a family or a wife that's American.

I'd love to know what those 1.8m jobs were.

>One would think they might try to be a little more low profile.
They seem to think they have 'won', at this time. Havent you noticed it? They are emerging into ALL positions of power, or a handpicked hispanic\etc they put in as proxy instead. I dare you to go look at the cross-section of people now running the once-great state of Michigan.

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Are you white? If yes, then that is your problem.

I have the same issue if I try to move literally, anywhere inthe world at all. Look into moving to any country, and you will see how hard it is to move legally. Just one more aspect of how insane the immigration dynamic is at this time.

Canada would take me if I am a plumber or electrician though, apparently. You guys are just BEGGING for illegal mexicans. Opely.

The jobs were the best jobs in the country - all for startups, biotech, academia, etc. There is a hiring freeze on white people, and has been for some time.

>the constitution only applies to muskets
Maybe you also forgot that we're in 21st century? Like there were no AR-15s in 18th and 19th centuries whatsoever, and using muskets today is a bit... a lot actually obsolete

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My thought is that people have short memories and no concept of history. We live in the age of normalcy bias, where people believe we live in some sort of “post history” where nothing major can happen. With normalcy bias comes doubts about the current system, as in the second amendment. “Why need an amendment to fight a government? That’ll neeeeeever happen!”
They don’t realize that it only takes a lifetime for everything to change. Normalcy bias might be what finally ends us. I’m afraid for the right because every generation the “right” becomes more left and the left goes further left. Is there even any hope?

Here. Look at this graphic for some hints. Your question\statement is pretty naive and shows you do not understand the dynamic of immigration into the west. We are being genocided. There is no 'open borders' for productive citizens - it is only for bringing in a new class of tax-supported golum who will get tax paying citizen backed loans, and so on.

The ponzi scheme is failing. They need new consumers, but there are none with the money, and they simply REFUSE to help white people, especialyl men - so all that leaves is bringing in fake new consumers, who get supported by tax.

This is in no way a comprehensive list of the issues of immigration - just a hint at the reality of the situation. Perhaps you are not white, but are a citizen born in canada - you belong to them now.

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Yes. All muzzleloading weapons are unregulated by the ATF. Sears at one time sold cannons in their catalog.

Checked.
There are no arguments against gun ownership.

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French here.
It is to prevent (or at least diminish greatly) the risk of violence by people equipped with firearms.
>but bad people will still find some.
Jesus Christ, is that why mass shooting at school didn't happen in **years** in France ?
>but protect my home....
I present you a German Shepherd. Generally people will think twice.
>but against evil of government !
... I'm honestly not sure what to make of this argument since America is at least as fucked by his than we are by Macron.
Though we did pressure him without your fancy firearms. Make you think, hu ?
>people kill, not weapon !
It just helps them to do them on a larger scale. Unless you are an anime character you will kill less with a knife than a gun.

I agree with you on normalcy bias. Also, I do not think the left\right paradigm as we as modern americans concieve of it is meaningful anymore. Neoliberal warmongering big-biz globalist progressives are, for all intents and purposes, functionally the same outcome as big-business, secretly open-borders, anti-worker, libertarian conservatives.

They both are simply feeding into this monstrous system. I hate to say it, but short of a bloody war, 3rd party voting to force this issue is our only hope. I can already sense your many arguments against 3rd party voting though, so no, there is no hope. There is no right wing or left wing in america. The last real leftists were like.. JFK, and he was a centrist, and on the right, we have to look for a Pat Buchannon type. There is no real political leadership in USA - or there would have been hungary style birth-rate improvement programs for 30 years now, at least - instead of hispanic mass immigration and anti-white demonization which has, some 20 years ago, crossed over into an open genocide.

We are utterly fucked, and your insistance that any sort of partisanship is viable at this point is a big part of why, I am afraid.

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You will never use it against your government because it would be detrimental to the allowance of said rights in the first place, which ends up taking priority.

Thanks for the info, although I feel most of it is all over the place or doesn't clearly explain the relevance.

High level of immigrants isn't necessarily a bad thing.

And the idea that wages are going down in America is simply wrong, I would about double my purchasing power if I took a pay cut coming to America. Strong dollar + cheap everything. not counting the fact that all the big opportunities are in America, as well as all the cool start ups and convenient services.

>You will never use it against your government because it would be detrimental to the allowance of said rights in the first place, which ends up taking priority.
Not advocating violent insurrection when I am 100% convinced coordinated 3rd party voting and citizen funded super-PACs could save USA, BUT... you do not understand USA at all. Lol.

>no shootings in France
That’s because people use trucks.
>fur rocket go bark haha
So I have to raise and train a dog to attack an intruder? How about I just give them lead poisoning?
>government
Normalcy bias all the way. We have something called freedom of speech here and the only means to protect it is a populace that owns firearms. Your government could do whatever the hell it wants to you. And don’t give me that “that’ll never happen” shit, look at any tyranny in the history of the world and see that it only takes a short time for SHTF
>kill on larger scale
This is called blaming societal problems on a piece of metal

Frequently they project their methods to others. I often hear people believe that because they don't think themselves responsible enough to own firearms other people must not be either.

There's also the disconnect that "if it saves one life" but won't extend that line of thinking to anything that effects them.
"If it saves one life" to vehicles, booze? Anything else most of us use responsibly? No way. Because it doesn't effect them they want as hard hitting changes as possible.

>High level of immigrants isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Youre right. Its a terrible thing.

>And the idea that wages are going down in America is simply wrong,
Actyually wages have been cut in half by over 50% vs GDP\market cost of goods.

You need to go back and look at that chart harder. Here is another version of it for you. I do not think you are being honest here anymore.

Look at this goddamned image. we do NOT need any immigrants. We have too many! 1-2 million a year is TOO MANY.

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What do I not understand?

Said rights are not granted by the government, but the people. At least that’s what the founding fathers wanted. Hence the importance of the second amendment, so the people can uphold their own rights.

>Jesus Christ, is that why mass shooting at school didn't happen in **years** in France ?
Correlation does not equal causation. You're clearly not smart enough to participate in this conversation. Run along now.

You are somehow confused on the fact that wealth in USA has drastically fallen alongside the mass importation of new low income workers. Where were you born? You are not actually a Canadian, are you? Country shopping is fucking scum-tier. What are you even doing on Yas Forums?

You do not comprehend supply and demand if you want to deny the effect of new labor competition on local workers. meanwhile that poster you claim to have looked at lists THE VERY GOOD REASONS that immigration is bad. Instead you just say 'it doesnt seem to connect together'.

It is also worth noting mass immigration from any country to any other country, no matter the racial dynamics, will have the same effects:
- Reduce wages for the classes of people the immigrants compete with
- Increase housing competition
- Increase cost of all services relying on existing infrastructure and availablity of professionals\practitioners
- Increase congestion, wear and tear and all impacts on infrastructure
- Reduce existing civic systems citizens have formed to watchdog government
- Introduce foreign government influences, spies, foreign ideologies, foreign standards of living, etc.

Then there is the other effects it has when it is indigent 3rd world\2nd world brown people moving to white countries:
- Drastic lowering of cost for low-end labor.
- Complete loss of standard of living in areas where these people settle
- New and exotic diseases
- New forms and severity of violence\gangs

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And that's what I'm saying they won't do. As long as gun rights are maintained, guns will not come into play because of the fallout it would cause if they did.

>we do NOT need any immigrants. We have too many!

I think it's really fucked up that I should be stuck in my shitty fucking country when I could contribute to a country that would actually treat me like I'm not scum.

>Actyually wages have been cut in half by over 50% vs GDP\market cost of goods.

So you're advocating for a minimum wage of 15$ to revert the damage? This would kill small businesses.

Yang's UBI plan could have addressed this.

This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I don't support mass immigration either.

>You are somehow confused on the fact that wealth in USA has drastically fallen alongside the mass importation of new low income workers. Where were you born? You are not actually a Canadian, are you? Country shopping is fucking scum-tier. What are you even doing on Yas Forums?
>You do not comprehend supply and demand if you want to deny the effect of new labor competition on local workers. meanwhile that poster you claim to have looked at lists THE VERY GOOD REASONS that immigration is bad. Instead you just say 'it doesnt seem to connect together'.
>It is also worth noting mass immigration from any country to any other country, no matter the racial dynamics, will have the same effects:
>- Reduce wages for the classes of people the immigrants compete with
>- Increase housing competition
>- Increase cost of all services relying on existing infrastructure and availablity of professionals\practitioners
>- Increase congestion, wear and tear and all impacts on infrastructure
>- Reduce existing civic systems citizens have formed to watchdog government
>- Introduce foreign government influences, spies, foreign ideologies, foreign standards of living, etc.
>Then there is the other effects it has when it is indigent 3rd world\2nd world brown people moving to white countries:
>- Drastic lowering of cost for low-end labor.
>- Complete loss of standard of living in areas where these people settle
>- New and exotic diseases
>- New forms and severity of violence\gangs
Hey "canadian" user, I wrote this for you, please read it:

Easy
>they're immigrants with no respect or having ignorance of our gun culture
>they are politicians who want to do very malicious things that would get them rightfully shot

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You would be surprised the number of armed militias active around the United States just waiting for the day of the boogaloo. Those dudes will jump at any chance to enact their second amendment boogaloo rights. Any amendment being infringed on by the government will be met by them and probobaly much more. It really just comes down to the fact that most of the population is armed in some way, and the point is that the government would never try anything because the government should be afraid of the people.
I’m afraid you will become right soon in the future though, as we drift towards leftism the rights we have are slowly dying with the generations that actually care about them. I can’t imagine what America will look like 100 years from now. Imagine the smell

Why wouldn't you want immigrant to take the shit jobs?

I feel like any American that's not half-retarded could easily get a job, all they have to do is not get a degree in an oversaturated STEM field (AKA all of them.)

I see nothing wrong with importing cheap McDonalds workers, who will be gentrified anyways, and stealing talented people from other countries.

If you got a decent job, you should be fine. Most Americans should be perfectly able to land a decent job, maybe not their first pick, but with a couple years experience and some management/supervisory experience, easily be able to pivot and apply to their company of choice.

I don't see a world where any real America is actually struggling to get a job (ignoring the COVID shit.)

Anyone with a certification can easily get a call center job or whatever. Yeah it's shit, but you can move up and eventually pivot. And if you already have a STEM degree, can't you get a job offer elsewhere? Didn't you do internships?

The majority of gun deaths in the US are suicides, and that's simply not acceptable behavior for property of the state.
You've already been subverted. Suicide is a crime, legally it's not even your life to take.

>And that's what I'm saying they won't do. As long as gun rights are maintained, guns will not come into play because of the fallout it would cause if they did.
Sorry for the wrong reply.

Google Bundy Ranch Standoff, for some evidence of what I am saying. Also, know I am not a bundy family supporter per se.

If bundy ranch isnt enough for you, I can go find more examples, or maybe others will have some. I feel like this is a more fundamental thing that examples. The other user who mentioned that rights come from the citizens, not the government, was right, but that also isnt what I meant.

What I meant was, for instance, in Virgina a few weeks ago, there was hundreds of men with their guns out in public, demanding their views on gun ownership be heard.

This isnt confronting the entire system, but it certainly is confronting the system with a very obvious implied threat - come take them.

Virginia backed down. Personally. I do not think guns are helping USA politically, even though I like guns as objects, machines, historical artifacts, a representation of force equalization between un-equal parties, etc.

I think the right wing gun owners are largely cowards, and their refusal to protest without guns means their political agency is circumcised. Total refusal to vote third party and force a parlimentary system here is also, to me, clearly why we still do not have healthcare - with the 2 party system it is too easy for both sides to string us along.

in USA we only have one politicla party. All these trump supporters, by refusing to vote third party, openly supported globohomo. I can only BAKA.

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>Why wouldn't you want immigrant to take the shit jobs?
BECAUSE OUR POOR CITIZENS NEED THOSE JOBS.

>I feel like any American that's not half-retarded could easily get a job, all they have to do is not get a degree in an oversaturated STEM field (AKA all of them.)
Why do you feel USA's jobs belong to the world? Fuck off. There is 6 billion people in the world - we cannot take them all. STEM is only oversaturated because of immigration. What sort of argument are you even making? You sound super confused - like you are lying to yourself.

>I don't see a world where any real America is actually struggling to get a job (ignoring the COVID shit.)
Where are you really from? You have no idea how fucked the average american taxpaying citizen is now compared to 20 years ago. None.

>Anyone with a certification can easily get a call center job or whatever.
A fucking pajeet in Canada. I fucking knew it. Listen here pajeet - we are not the world's job fair. You should not even be in the west.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO COMPETE WITH 6 BILLION PEOPLE FOR OUR JOBS. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK.

You dumb fuck. You are completely refusing to accept that American's paid taxes for generations, used to hold all of the jobs and power in our own country, and it isnt right to simply replace us. FUCK YOU. Genocide is a crime against humanity, you fucking demon. The white guilt is quickly running out. Tick tock. Even canadian-pajeets will not be spared.

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>The other user who mentioned that rights come from the citizens, not the government, was right
The rights guaranteed by the Constitution are God given. They do not come from any man or body of men.

>The rights guaranteed by the Constitution are God given. They do not come from any man or body of men.
Man = god.

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Your shitposting is embarrassing. I don't see any humor in it at all.

glow niggers get paid for this...

Look. To be honest. It's about power and ability to protect what's mine and what I love. I don't really want to use a weapon, but it is important that I can.
On that note, I would own military grade weapons if I could. The more defensive capabilities, the better.

Never understood people like you who condemn gun ownership but then own an attack dog like a German Shepherd. You can safely store a firearm, but you can't guarantee your k9 will not bite some kid that comes up to it.

Fairly sure no one is replacing you or taking your jobs.

First of all, it's illegal.

Second of all, it's expensive.

This is as real as women making 30% less than men.

As for the lower wages, not sure what is causing this or how to fix it, but I'm pretty sure if you remove the low income neighborhoods filled with blacks and mexicans, you'll see that whites are doing just fine - because they are.

Most whites go to college or trade school and do just fine.

Meanwhile, immigrants who go to America only have access to visas lasting a few years and it's a 15-25 year long process that isn't guaranteed.

Odds are you will not become a permanent resident if you don't win the lottery. You are in line between many others and are just a temporary contractor for a job no one wants to have.

90% of US employers do NOT offer sponsorships.

Finally,

If you are from first world countries, you're not even eligible for the visa

Like I said, the only 3 ways to immigrate:

Graduated from a technical degree that an American can't fill, typically internal transfers from international branches.

invest 500-1000k in a company

Have a US family or get married to a US citizen.

I guarantee you it's not as easy as you make it sound.