>Thousands of people may have needlessly died by putting them on high-pressure ventilators while at the same time denying them this cheap and highly effective generic drug that makes any experimental vaccines irrelevant.
>The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin.
>we typically use ventilators to treat respiratory failure. But these patients’ muscles work fine. we are treating the wrong disease...he method that we program [into] the ventilator, one based on respiratory failure as opposed to oxygen failure
bump for visibility. There was a good thread going this morning but it was pruned, you know, gotta make room for the concern trolling and racemixing slide threads
Jack Parker
Have a bump user
Jayden Rogers
Doctors are literally retarded lmao.
Josiah Myers
Reminder that chloroquine has been proven to be INEFFECTIVE against coronavirus. Keep up your Q delusion, retards.
Eli Clark
Reminder that chloroquine has been proven to be INEFFECTIVE against coronavirus. Keep up your Q delusion, retards.
Christian Edwards
My guess is that ventilators are pushed so the death rate is higher and it creates a panic. Without panic there is no need for Bill Gates' vaccine and chip.
Caleb Powell
patients develop pneumonia and pulmonary oedema. liquid in alveoli. alveoli is where gas exchange take place. positive pressure throug ventilator is necessary to push liquid out of alveoli. choloroquine helps with other stuff, nmely the inflammation response of the organism
Dominic Flores
A virus doesn't have dna you fucking mong. Go larp somewhere else retard.
William Nguyen
>because covid 19 is a blood diseas
Full fucking stop right there, is not a fucking bacteria idiot, it gets deeper than blood, it gets inside your genetic strings
Jaxon Lopez
many viruses have dna, hepatitis b virus for example
Reminder that chloroquine has been proven to be INEFFECTIVE against coronavirus. Keep up your Q delusion, retards.
Ian Reyes
More like it's the cytokine storm that destroys your lungs and kills you. That's why when in the ICU they can keep patients alive with blood donations for quite a while to boost their blood O2 but due to the cytokine storm at some point they have no lung tissue left.
For younger people you can completely avoid most of the effects of coronavirus by taking strong antioxidants. For these 65+ year old seniors that already have 3+ underlying conditions they're beyond help though.
Josiah Hernandez
Corona virus has RNA not DNA.
Hunter Anderson
isn't it the Rna that we look for to ID this virus or is it the RNA response created in unhealthy and affected host cells?
has it? >gets treated with chloro: 1% death rate >without chloro: 1% death rate >... >profit
Isaiah Taylor
It's the same person posting from their pc and their phone.
Bentley Hill
Last I heard they were using the presence of antibodies in the "new, better" blood test.
Chase Young
thanks doctor user. pol was right again after all. oh wait.
Blake Rodriguez
i know virus rna is used to detect the virus. the body's response to the virus can do more harm than good and kill the patient. cytokine storm they call it, substances the body produces in response to an infection but in abnormal doses damage the bodys own cells
Brandon Lewis
word is everyone who goes on a ventilator dies
Cooper Green
Is the only reason this chloroquin thing discussed in the USA because Americans are retarded and scientifically illiterate?
dr. crowe says that hospitals may be puting covid patients on respirators to REDUCE exhaled hair exposure to nursing staff. not neccessarily bc they need it. and if u get intubated it is a very stressful and risky procedure.
dr. crowe also sites a study from the SARS epidemic from South Korea. 13 hospitals intubated right of the bat. 1 hospital did not. the deaths at the non-intubated hospital was 4X lower than the 13 hospitals who intubated.
Connor Thompson
They are saying it is more like high altitude sickness rather than pneumonia.
People take taladefil (cialis) for that, would this help?
Andrew Morris
Study that came out today in france indicates its a placebo. We need more research tho
Ian Richardson
based Eskimo
Angel Foster
cialis, viagra caus an increase of blood flow by causing vessel dilation. more blood means more oxygen so it could help.
Jaxson Gray
>covid causes pneumonia as the lungs fill with fluids causing scarring and shortness of breath >i-it is the hemoglobing that can't carry oxygen
Have you ever considered the possibility that Covid-19 is being wrongly misdiagnosed instead of a whole other host of illnesses due similar symptoms? It apparently causes a tight or pained chest, along with a shortness of breath. Know what else causes that? A heart attack. I do not doubt that there are cases of Malaria being misdiagnosed as Covid-19 right now. Just about everything else is.
Xavier Foster
Coronavirus doesn't exist, it's just a psyop.
Oliver Wilson
Ventilator is like forcefully blowing diesel out of the petrol tank and petrol cylinders. Hydroxychloroquine + zinc is like shutting the fuel cap so the eco-jew can't chuck diesel into your petrol tank.
Henry Bennett
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Carter Adams
teamies!
Robert Adams
yet there is no fluid, no pneumonia symptoms, just inability to absorb oxygen
Hudson Ward
Imagine if Trump tweeted that cialis was the cure for covid
Joseph Clark
>covid you mean 5G? not a 5G conspiratard, but seriously, these symptoms are out of a sci-fi movie and don't come from any bat soup flu virus that doesn't even exist. how many people have these symptoms btw? 3 on earth? otherwise we'd have heard a lot more about them.
Nathaniel James
is this just fake information that some bot is spreading on this site? why spread this clearly false information? ventilators do work. They keep the people alive. They are not a cure. who the fuck is posting this misinformation? Russia? china? some group that wants to post fake news on the internet?
Joseph Reed
Wasn't it that in Interstellar the planet was doomed to run out of oxygen and everyone will basically suffocate.
What if we've sprung a leak or something and there is no virus, it's oxygen being depleted from the planet.
Ryan Thompson
The ventilator isnt to cure you, its to stop you from sufficating you dipshit american.
Nicholas Morris
Having more data on your hard drive doesn't make your cpu any faster. Folks who aren't covered in medical doctrine may be better able to adapt to newer findings and more flexible.
The common cold is a viral infection of the upperrespiratory tract. The most commonly implicated virus is arhinovirus(30–80%), a type ofpicornaviruswith 99 knownserotypes.[29][30]Other commonly implicated viruses includehuman coronavirus Coronavirusesare a group of viruses known for causing the common cold.They have a halo or crown-like (corona) appearance when viewed under an electron microscope. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold
theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf Finally, on March 5th 2020 some Chinese scientists dropped a bombshell. According to their analysis, based on reasonable assumptions for asymptomatic people (e.g. contacts of other cases),“the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%”.[26] This is based on a mathematical analysis using reasonable assumptions for the actual prevalence of the virus, and the performance of the test. The best case, with the most optimistic assumptions, was still more than 40% false positives.3
Julian James
>no pneumonia symptoms Why are you lying?
John Rivera
there are eassy ways to catch a stroke (cT neurlogical symptoms) and heart attack (heart dmage enzymes, troponins).
Christian Price
They wanna see how many people who have recovered have developed antibodies. This can be used to retroactively test people who've already had it and couldn't (or wouldn't) get tested, so Trump's administration can get a bigger, more accurate picture of exactly how fatal Covid-19 actually is. The purpose of which being to dump the WHO, primarily.
Jayden Hernandez
Reminder that chloroquine has been proven to be INEFFECTIVE against coronavirus. Keep up your Q delusion, retards.
Robert Perry
>COVID-19 is a blood disease Nigger what am i reading do you have even a basic understanding of what Corona VIRUS fucking is?
dna = the atoms and molecular structures of the organism rna = the atoms that have to deal with it being able to make more of itself and grow.
Kevin Brown
People in this thread thinking they know more than doctors and scientists
Bentley King
Doctors are coming out saying this disease is not pneumonia/ARDS. Purely hypoxemic in nature, no lung distress, just unable to absorb oxygen like altitude sickness. The second link is more in depth, and the third is the reference from Italy.
Wrong and fucking wrong. Please stop talking if you failed out of highschool biology.
Logan Green
It's not about knowledge, it's about the application of common sense. Just because somebody is a doctor doesn't mean everything they say is right. Far from it.
Nathan Brooks
>it's oxygen being depleted from the planet.
I like to run scenarios through my head and one I had is what if the Algae that supplies most of the oxygen for the planet were to die off.
most people don't understand how to use covalent bonds to human dna in order to create a medicine that slowly starves the virus to death. they try to attack the virus or boost the immune system with the proper chemistry.
William Gray
>Acetazolamide I can get my hands on cialis, where do I get this shit?
Isaiah Young
altitude sickness characteristic is pulmonary oedema,
Jordan Garcia
based nero fagot.
Gabriel Price
Show us COVID patients CBC's/Blood Iron panels/urinalysis before you spout bullshit. >inb4 HIPPA These are not even complicated test, this is basic outpatient level shit. I want to believe you--but until then, EAT SHIT
It's prescribed to old people with glaucoma, and is available without a prescription in some countries as an altitude sickness treatment.
Jackson White
Oxygen is too heavy to escape earths gravitational pull. Lighter gasses like Hydrogen and Helium do so regularly. We are actually running out of Helium because of this. Helium can only be obtained from alpha decay of radioactive elements deep in the earth.
you have a patient with pulmonary didease and you dont check arterial gas? thats nice
Noah Ward
Wrong
Julian Peterson
>dr. crowe says that hospitals may be puting covid patients on respirators to REDUCE exhaled hair exposure to nursing staff. This is true in my hospital (north Jersey). Bipap, CPAP, and nebulizers are contraindicated not because it’s worse for the patient but because it spews COVID everywhere. Early intubation is what they’re pushing but its risky and invasive due to anesthesia, aspiration, there’s less nurses familiar with vents and sedation to keep people from self extubating, etc.
Julian Scott
>Hmm this looks interesting, I wonder what the source is? >christiansfortruth
Fucking sage
Jeremiah Price
There's so much disagreement amongst "experts" that I don't know how you can say that with a straight face, assuming you did.
>Hurr Sucharit Bhakdi and John Ioannidis are literal nobodies
Christian Gonzalez
Maybe--but show us the labs or KYS.
Carson Flores
Doctor here, well almost.
I have been going through the CCP virus literature and there is still much we don't know about the virus. There seems to be some evidence that beyond causing respiratory failure SARS-COV-2 also affects other organs and those rich with ACE2 receptors. There is some evidence that it affects red cells and haemoglobin indirectly via glycoproteins located on in the virus, however at this stage it was a computer model with possible paths for molecular docking.
It would however explain some things about the virus. If indeed virus causes detoriation of the red blood cell heme, this would warrant treatment modification. However more evidence is needed before treatment protocols are changed. Hydorxychloroquine works most effectively in early stages of the disease, so this heamoglobin theory warrants more research. If proper approval is granted proper modified treatment protocol might be experimented on more severe cases with empirical observation of the results.
>respiratory virus being hyped into ebola, small pox, typhus, MERS, SARS, and HIV all combined into one OP confirmed retarded /cvg/ doomer shill
Aiden Perez
RNA viruses have DNA. What they aren't able to do is create their own proteins because of the limited DNA they have, to expand or mutate their DNA structure.
It actually bonds to a cells RNA function and changes its protein synthesis which then alters the DNA of that cell.
intubation and ventilation are mechanical forced pumping of the lungs, which in turn causes lung damage. Its a known risk factor for ventilation. SARS fucks the lungs up.
SARS is an aberrant Coronaviridae. Similar, but oddly not exact to other common forms.
That thread was full of nothing but retardation and clear lack of understanding to any level of celllular mechanics. If thats the best citation you have for information, you may want to delete it. Or learn cellular mechanics.
Spleen.
Jayden Torres
Those ARE NOT blood labs---try harder
Eli Gutierrez
Multiple studies with hydrochloroquine and SARS, IIRC correctly there's at least 23, show significant improvement when taking the medication. Fuck off Chinese shill.
Hunter Jones
>Hydorxychloroquine works most effectively in early stages of the disease >warrants more research >experimented on more severe cases
So your idea is to use a drug that works well at early stages of the disease on people who have late stages of the disease in order to test its effectiveness as a treatment
Makes perfect sense, I can see why you are just almost a doctor
Aiden Green
Covid causes inflammation. The swelling makes your lungs fill with fluid and debris. A lot of the fluid that's is trapped I your lungs is a byproduct of your body fighting the infection.
Jayden Hill
Are you checking PaO2 Levels? Want to ask.
Adam Rivera
>>Hydorxychloroquine works most effectively in early stages of the disease actually the opposite is proven. It works most effectively on severe cases, with greater reduction of load count, increased o2 saturation, and wcb count, then those with mild or moderate presentation.
John Lee
it honestly freaks me out how shilled this place is
like this board is going to make me a fucking nutcase
seriously what fucking organization is shilling AGAINST chloroquie wtf???
I guess liberals who think that it's "anti science"???
why would it be china???
Andrew Gomez
It's the best I have right now. What information in that post is inconsistent with cellular mechanics? I'm genuinely curious.
