Reminder that Socialists are Educated, Capitalists are Typically White Trash

You're just straight up wrong dude. While they have large public sectors, the majority of their economies are managed privately, especially the sectors which comprise production and extraction. Any Swede/Norwegian/Icelander will hop into this thread to tell you the same.
You have no clue what you're talking about. It's actually legit funny that a stupid, mentally insecure mutt like yourself gave yourself the EU meme flag yet knows nothing about Europe.
>Capitalism fails until socialism fixes it, moron.
Now Keynes is a Socialist? LOL
I think I've proved my point to you that you need to seriously learn your shit before you go around calling people "white trash" for disagreeing.

>I'm attending an Ivy League school, my dad is a banker
what share of your and your dad's income should go to the poor and why? how much of it should go to africa?

Black people are dumber and poorer than white people, so black trash would be a more appropriate term.

And socialists tend to be uneducated and ignorant about the world.

Also globalism and multiculturalism is evil. The west belongs to white people.

KYS commie. Even the social democrats in nordic countries renounced socialism in 1920's.

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So basically you just hate lower class whites but consider virtual ethnostates to be educated? Got it

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>You're just straight up wrong dude. While they have large public sectors, the majority of their economies are managed privately, especially the sectors which comprise production and extraction. Any Swede/Norwegian/Icelander will hop into this thread to tell you the same
1. Norway has nationalized oil production

2. Sweden has many state owned companies

Therefore both those coutnries are by definition socialist but lets continue.

In these countries the government taxes industry. The definition of ownership according to Milton Friedman is when you have the rights to the proceeds of something. If the government taxes corporations, and has the right to do so, it owns the percentage of the corporation it taxes. So if corporate tax is 30%, the government effectively owns 30% of the corporation. That's why Milton Friedman said taxation is socialism by another name.

Keynes supported public works, aka public control and ownership of production, therefore a socialist.

I'm LMAOing right now because you are what happens when someone tries to educate themselves with Yas Forums memes and 2 minute you-tube videos oversimplified.

No true Scotsman fallacy. You are "educated" yet you fail at basic logic.

I think we should tax people until we have sufficient funds to have a strong welfare state that can re-train and re-educate unemployed people to become productive. If that's 20%, so be it, if that's 90%, so be it. I don't have an exact number but I believe he should be taxed until we can afford free education, free healthcare, environmentally friendly policies, and a strong flexible welfare state.

>And socialists tend to be uneducated and ignorant about the world.

No, we're the ones being educated by top professors

>Also globalism and multiculturalism is evil. The west belongs to white people.
The economy needs a continual influx of new people to keep it growing, otherwise China will beat us in the global quest for hegemony.

Then why is Scandinavia socialist today?

I hate lower class whites that promote bigotry and fight against their own economic interest.

And you just committed the "fallacy fallacy". You clearly have zero understanding of basic logic.

>op’s mouth is open for catching dicks and flies
SAGE

>Socialists are educated
Waving around a degree that you bought or sucked dick for doesn't make you intelligent though. Socialist professor and "intellectual" Richard Wolff ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_D._Wolff ) genuinely believes that not only can you physically take half of Amazon's gross estimated value of 160 billion dollars in cash, but that you can genuinely solve world hunger with it.
You lot are utter retards whose entire philosophy is predicated in jealousy of other peoples' money and power.
You don't even know about who is behind your own movement, you are literally useful idiots for the globalist/internationalist finance class. youtube.com/watch?v=kEVOIO4TbZs
All your plans for world domination and socialist utopia were literally devised and written by the robber baron/billionaire class of the 19th century.

King

You seem to have confused the meaning of Elite School from its original meaning of "Schools where the elite nepotists send their children before hiring them on with good salaries at their family firms" with "School that teaches what 2+2 really equals, unlike all those pleb tier state colleges"

>1. Norway has nationalized oil production
>2. Sweden has many state owned companies
>only some industries are state owned, not all
I sleep

Well we are not socialist in any of these countries. There is a mixture of public-private-cooperation in services, free education etc but at the same time we have capitalism going on and a decent democracy, multi-party system. I would not call that socialism, only an idiot would

>genuinely believes that not only can you physically take half of Amazon's gross estimated value of 160 billion dollars in cash, but that you can genuinely solve world hunger with it.
You can actually. Amazon being worth 1 trillion just means that's the value of its future cash flow, so what you CAN do it place a 50% tax on Amazons earnings, and use that money to put an end to world hunger. If you tried liquidating Amazon right now, it would shrink in value, but you can slowly tax away that 1 trillion over time.

>You lot are utter retards whose entire philosophy is predicated in jealousy of other peoples' money and power.

Who am I jealous of? My dad owns 4 homes, one is a mansion in Sweden.

>You don't even know about who is behind your own movement, you are literally useful idiots for the globalist/internationalist finance class.

My dad is part of the internationalist financial class. He used to work for the World Bank, did research with Paul Krugman at one point, and again has 4 homes.

>All your plans for world domination and socialist utopia were literally devised and written by the robber baron/billionaire class of the 19th century.

I descend from an industrialist.

>No, we're the ones being educated by top professors
(((Top professors)))
> The economy needs a continual influx of new people to keep it growing, otherwise China will beat us in the global quest for hegemony
Funny how China can do that without mass migration

What "real economist" agrees with you? Marx? He's not an economist, he's a neoplatonic cunt who envisioned a communist society which would be based on state-sponsored suppression of basic liberties and free trade, and, like i said in my previous reply, is based also on a post-scarcity society. Evolution has designed every complex organism to compete for scarce resources. We literally cannot handle unlimited resources, because in the entire history of life on Earth, it's never existed. The prevalence of scarcity is what drives every instinctive action every complex animal has. Thus, not only is Marxism economically retarded, it doesn't comply with nature itself.

>You can actually.

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That is literally the definition of socialism you moron.

Ok, and???? Not all the industries are privately owned either, so you can't say it's capitalist

Yeah because Amazon TOTALLY doesn't have enough wealth to feed the world, which requires 500 million USD

You'll be gone soon, I reported you for trolling 5 minutes ago.

>place a 50% tax on Amazons earnings, and use that money to put an end to world hunger.
But why would I want infinite niggers

>7 Billion people in the world can be fed in perpetuity for 500 Million Dollars
Not unless your name is Jesus Christ.

Capitalists are economically retarded because they don't understand it creates more scarcity.

Also an economist who agrees with me is John Kenneth Galbraith.

China has a stable birthrate because they don't have hypergamy though.

You're not going to be given attention anymroe, you're clearly baiting me

You wouldn't, that's why that money is better spent on a welfare state in your own country that RETRAINS workers.

So they are state capitalist
No country is socialist because it is retarded
Imagine cletus trying to run the finances of the steel mill
Doesnt work, socialism is fake and gay

Cletus wouldn't be running the steel mill, it would be people like me and my dad who attend top ivy league schools. We would be "workers" since we also work for the firm.

Don't you mean your mom's husband?

I want there to be a socialist state so once I own the means of production I can sell it and retire

>working in management is the same as being a blue collar worker
Just the retardation I expect from a memeflag poster

We're a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution promises a REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT and Thomas Jefferson even declared when asked what have ye wrought, " A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT!"

A Democracy is Socialism you uneducated little shit for brains.

That was Franklin

Socialism is the ideology of the weak and the lazy.
Look at my flag, I know it first hand.

Capitalism doesn't create more scarcity. Unregulated capitalism ensures a flowing stream of resources, which means when your wife needs a cucumber to fuck herself with while thinking of Tyrone, she can be assured that its there, however, in a socialist "economy", myriad government regulations ensure that that "flowing stream" seen in capitalist societies are restricted, creating scarcity. That is why in Venezuela and other socialist nations, there is an increased risk of famine and food security is generally lower. Socialism creates scarcity.

Rich twat that believes in socialism , I would never have guessed .

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>meme flag
>(((socialism)))
Show your nose, Shlomo.

>Managers are not employees of the corporation they work for

You're beyond retarded.

>Krugman
>the most consistently incorrect economist of the modern age

its not free education though. everyone pays into it

Socialism is the ideology of the intelligent and hard-working, that's why we're the elite.

>a democracy is socialism
The levels of uneducated are too pleb for me. You're the bottom of the barrel of white trash.

youtube.com/watch?v=lJUQKcnWzIg

Go in, convince me the CEO is just another worker like the guy cleaning the bathrooms

In a capitalist economy, the free market is left to fend for tiself. If there is demand for goods, there will be an incentive to produce goods This system isn't horrible but isn't ideal.

In a state-run system like China for example, the government can right away order goods to be produced that they know will be in high-demand. THis is why socialism is better.

Venezuela failed for 3 reasons.

1. Poor central planning by incompetent government officials

2. U.S intervention and sanctions

3. Low average IQ

>Socialism is the ideology of the intelligent and hard-working, that's why we're the elite.
Yeah, take a good long look at my country then, socialist stronghold for 40 years that, since our dictatorship, we went from being the world's 8th biggest global power, to being the goddamn Mexico of Europe, and currently we are the second one with most infected and dead from coronavirus because our stupid socialist president insisted on NOT taking any measures against corona until the March 8th feminist protests took place.

Things are going so bad that this might actually kill socialism in my country.

They both fall under the definition "worker" since they both work for the company they are employed by.

Nordic countries are arguably more capitalist than mother fucking 'murrica with lower barriers of entry for becoming business owner.

There is no such thing as free education, we have tax payer paid education.

That's because he makes so many predictions, people who are brave enough to make educated guesses are often wrong.

China had one child policy that has created serious demographic issues for them.

I attend -the- Ivy League school and we think that you socialists are nigrified peasants. During the quarantine, my choice was whether to remain in Boston or have my pick one of my family's summer houses. Please do not show up to a battle of class warfare unarmed.

The reason why Southern Europe is in a mess is because of a low average IQ due to Moorish admixture. Fascism was needed to keep Southern Europe strong since the Arab blood makes your people naturally low IQ and violent (these are generalizations im not saying it applies to everyone). Arabs need a dictatorship or they will fall apart into corruption and decay and that's exactly what happened with all of Southern Europe.

>Nordic countries are arguably more capitalist than mother fucking 'murrica with lower barriers of entry for becoming business owner.

U.S is socialist too, look at the FED printing trillions of dollars and the federal government buying up equities.

Yeah i know, but they got rid of that and are doing better.

I didn't think Ivy League schools accepted white trash peasants like you.

>The reason why Southern Europe is in a mess is because of a low average IQ due to Moorish admixture
You do know the muslims didn't move from the south, right?
The invasion was mostly cultural, not literal.

Not like it matters that we kicked them out, since it's leftists like socialists who insist on filling countries with shitskins.

>Fascism was needed to keep
Fascism is needed to keep everyone under control, the only country that's actually far right in Europe is hungary, none of the others have (yet) gone that way, which means that yes, it's needed for everyone because civilians are too easy to manipulate.

>theocratic police state
i wish, comrade. i wish.

>In a state-run system like China for example, the government can right away order goods to be produced that they know will be in high-demand. THis is why socialism is better.

Have you seen the majority of shit made in China? It's cheap and poorly-made. When the government essentially forces out competition, that creates corporatism. Corporatism leads to big corporations (with good relations to the State) being the only ones manufacturing a certain product, and without competition, these businesses can make these products as shitty as possible while charging high prices for it. In a truly capitalist society, corporatism is unheard of, and competition drives the economy forward, leading to higher quality and lower prices for the consumers.

>The invasion was mostly cultural, not literal.
youtube.com/watch?v=BCnw6aW2dDQ

>Not like it matters that we kicked them out, since it's leftists like socialists who insist on filling countries with shitskins.

We only do that to get a better control of those countries! We don't actually believe it will enrich the country.

Oh wow, a webm from a movie, I guess I should relearn everything about my own country.

>We only do that to get a better control of those countries!
You know what helps with control and doesn't requiere you to pull in any terrorists?
Fascism.

In true capitalism what really happens is oligarchies that take control of the market just by sheer force of capital alone.

China is kind of proof the free market doesn't demand high quality, because while China is communist, the demand for their product on the world market comes from capitalist consumers.

>Oh wow, a webm from a movie, I guess I should relearn everything about my own country.

Yeah because the fact that it's in a movie TOTALLY MEANS ITS NOT TRUE

>You know what helps with control and doesn't requiere you to pull in any terrorists?
Fascism.

Not really, my people usually get thrown out of power in fascist countries.

>memeflag
Ok

>my people usually get thrown out of power in fascist countries
Because you don't know shit about handling countries, controlling them or taking care of them.

China is proof any administration succeeds under ethnic-nationalism.

Nobody normal want to end the world hunger

>So Capitalism fails except when it succeeds?
Where capitalism falls short, socialism picks up. Checks and balances.

>Reminder that state funded schools produce socialists
Big think

Capitalism is trash too, though. Luckily, both would be removed from the ethnostate.

>my people usually get thrown out of power in fascist countries
That’s right Schlomo

>In true capitalism what really happens is oligarchies that take control of the market just by sheer force of capital alone.

Like I said, if the barriers to owning a business were removed entirely, then small businesses could force the big business into competing over the price of insulin, for example. If you're implying that if we switched to a free market system tonight then we'd have a single monopolised business tomorrow, you're wrong. The government provides nearly $175 billion in corporate subsidies, many to some of these monopolies that socialists worry about. Without these subsidies, some of these monopolies would fall flat on their face.

Imagine being this dumb. Sad!

reminder that the abolition of educators is a central right wing goal

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>and a strong welfare state
As with all socialists you're morons that don't understand supply and demand

>Because you don't know shit about handling countries, controlling them or taking care of them

Yes we do, we are responsible for the modern world

That's such an ad hominom, my ethnicity has nothing to do with anything

This too.

And yeah nobody of you commies are going to do the job. Get lost commie. Gulags waits for you

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>Yes we do, we are responsible for the modern world
The modern world was built back when everyone in the west was paranoid of communists.

This

More CCP propaganda.

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Good larp

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Roosevelt and his administration were all leftists.

We work 14 hours a day in investment banks, we are the opposite of lazy

Socialism never "picks up" capitalism you fucking moron, it actively tried to destroy it
state always create economical crisis by using their central banks to print more money to lower interest rates, which in turn incentivizes the survival of shitty companies, which then break after the state inevitable has to raise interest again (otherwise inflation), which causes a crisis

>strong welfare state
>the definition of socialism is nationalizing everything
>confusing national socialism with the general concept of socialism
>not knowing there are more types of socialism than fascism under germany's style, USSR's style, China's style, etc.
>"running" the steel mill
>sitting on your ass while people who actually know how shit works maintain the archaic and irreplaceable systems and equipment
>totally not acting like a capitalist pig while doing so
>its only capitalism that lets oligarchies and corruption take control
>ignoring the history of corruption in the soviet union
src-h.slav.hokudai.ac.jp/sympo/03september/pdf/M_Suhara.pdf
>ignoring how people who were rich and educated bourgeois like yourself played the system and gained large amounts of personal wealth anyways like capitalist pigs
>ignoring the horrific fuckfest that fucks its people over daily that is china's socialism

You make me laugh with your childish view of the world.

My my such arrogance

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>In a state-run system like China for example, the government can right away order goods to be produced that they know will be in high-demand. THis is why socialism is better.

user, I don't study in "Ivy Leage"-tier uni, but even I can tell you for sure, that modern-day China is no more "socialist", than say US. The Chinese just have a tendency to be more authoritarian, enabling them to respond in a more centralized manner.

>Venezuela failed for 3 reasons.
>1. Poor central planning by incompetent government officials
Not an excuse, as virtually all left states had same problems.
>2. U.S intervention and sanctions
What about Cuba?
>3. Low average IQ
Not an excuse, as all socialist/communist states fail miserably, or have to turn back to market economy

Sure, leftists compared to Hitler.
It's not like the only reason the Soviet Union didn't get wiped out is simply because the US couldn't fabricate the amount of nukes MacArthur wanted.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

Stfu dumbfuck,
forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/

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>I work very hard sitting on my ass using a phone, keyboard, and mouse for 14 hours!
>Very fucking hard I tell you!
>Managing excel spreadsheets and applying algorithms to predict what to invest in is such agonizing labor!

Reminder that I'm getting $70 an hour to post here. I am so stupid.

SOCIALISTS ARE BRAINWASHED PEOPLE, WHO AREN'T BRAVE ENOUGH TO GO AGAINST THEIR SOCIAL CIRCLES HERD MENTALITY. ALSO THEY LACK REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE. THEY ARE IDEALISTS. THEY ARE VIRTUE SIGNALING HYPOCRITES. NO WONDER MOST OF THEM ARE YOUNG PEOPLE.

>Ivy League school
It only counts if it's Harvard or Yale.

>The government provides nearly $175 billion in corporate subsidies, many to some of these monopolies that socialists worry about. Without these subsidies, some of these monopolies would fall flat on their face.

it's the capitalist's line of reasoning to prop up the big businesses because they provide jobs and growth, though if they were allowed to bankrupt the workers would inherit MORE not less.

Managing excel worksheets and international finance is 10x more work than sitting in a steel mill pulling a lever back and forth like a zombie.

That was the most retarded shit I ever read

They were leftists in general, they wanted a federally controlled economy

>user, I don't study in "Ivy Leage"-tier uni, but even I can tell you for sure, that modern-day China is no more "socialist", than say US. The Chinese just have a tendency to be more authoritarian, enabling them to respond in a more centralized manner.

China has a communist economy, the government owns all the land and corporations.

>Not an excuse, as virtually all left states had same problems.
When the U.S was socialist it didn't have that issue, same with modern day scandinavia

>What about Cuba?
Cuba is a failed shithole too

>Not an excuse, as all socialist/communist states fail miserably, or have to turn back to market economy
Scandinavia, U.S in the 1940s, China, etc. All socialist/communist, none of them failed.

>In true capitalism what really happens is oligarchies that take control of the market just by sheer force of capital alone
This is the opposite of what happens you dishonest piece of shit, in "true capitalism", as in free market, monopolies are impossible except in very limited cases. It's verifiable history that there have been cases of capitalists trying to create a monopoly FOR DECADES in a free market, and still failing every time, an example would be Rockfeller's standard oil, he never managed to control the market because competitors would always appear after he bought them off, as result he had to lower prices, create innovation, and benefit the costumers tremendously
Oligarchies ONLY exist because of the STATE, it creates laws, regulations and taxes that inhibit freedom of competition and innovation (an obvious example would be intelectual property and the drug industry)

OR ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO GO AGAINST THEIR SOCIAL HERD MENTALITY