/ATG/ - Anti-Tech General #1 - [Former /TKG/] - A Fresh Start Edition

>(((David)))
LOL why would anyone listen to a JEW?

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great post! something to keep in mind and we have to build on

Anybody doing a "victory" garden? I'm putting in 4 6ft x 4ft beds in a pretty shady yard, bought some 10 gallon grow buckets for the sunnier parts. The shadiest bed will have a shade fern and flower garden for my son to play in. Bought some seed potatoes and heirloom seeds. Going to try to grow the heirloom seeds up and collect seeds from them. I also want to pressure can a bunch of food in case food there is food insecurity next winter.

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From the previous thread:
>So do you think in our context (internet, memes, etc) propaganda is useful in the hands of people with little resources
I simply think he's right about the fact that we cannot take on the system when it comes to propaganda, i absolutely think memes would backfire, and lead to the degeneration of the ideology, that's arguably the worst case scenario. Same way fewer people take marxism seriously currently. People can change on a whim, if our propaganda for example attracts a person who's primary reason for considering the ideology is an element of the system that can be reformed, then we actually lose if the element actually ever gets reformed. It's an uphill battle. If it's a matter of appealing then i think we could acquire that through many other ways, one of them is if we take the ideology further ahead, and communicate with the right types.

bump

>It is worth repeating that this literature will provide no recipes for action that can be applied mechanically. It will provide ideas, some of which can be applied, with suitable modifications, to the purposes of an anti-tech organization.
Excellent point that i was going to get at once we've all agreed that checking out the literature should be the first step.

Some of the "memes" generated here are simply the equivalent of flyers that function as invitations to this daily thread. I don't see this as detriment at this point. There are some memes generated here that make jokes of a violent nature (surrounding Ted). Others are 'A vs B, where B is reasonable and A is ridiculous' type memes. Perhaps if we stick with flyers, for now, it will draw the right kinds of people to participate.

i will stop witch hunting. better focus on pragmatic things. i hope everyone agrees with it
but on one condition, no racism. although we know racism is good, but not here. unless we get past the racial supremacy issue, we are going to achieve nothing

Have been doing it for a couple of years. Tomatoes, carrots, bell pepper, arugula, lettuce, and a couple of other things too. Tending to plants is great.

how is the situation in Argentina? last we heard was of severe shortage and doomed economy

You people are insane. The whole unabomber manifesto is a fucking boomer rant about how life is so easy due to technology and lacking excitement. If you hate civilization so much then go to your nearest forest and fucking rot away. Nobody is forcing you to use technology you retards.

that wont stop them from poisoning our river, air, poaching our animals
plus there are not that many forests left, they will soon be eroded and replaced with grazing pastures or palm plantations.

Technically, it was one of this general's first steps. The creation of the FAQ was one facet of this. I think we should hang there a bit longer, as you are saying. I thought the transition to the preplist was a bit sudden.

>Some of the "memes" generated here are simply the equivalent of flyers that function as invitations to this daily thread. I don't see this as detriment at this point.

This.
Also memes containing quotes by Ted might appeal to certain audiences who would otherwise have NEVER even gone near ISAIF.

Through a meme containing a short quote, all of a sudden they become acquainted with his work, albeit very very superficially.
For example, pic related for the lolbertarian crowd.

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Its part of a jewish glownigger psyop, retards that shill cuckzinski here are very naive NPCs or glowniggers trying to promote their scam here.

I can't take my kid to a park 100m away because of a chink virus imported via air travel. They literally have the park taped up and there's a $7500 fine if you're caught using the equipment. We're living in a literal police state right now because of technology.

You collect seeds? That's impressive. Any tips?

You're lucky if its a pasture and not GMO corn

You are welcome to fuck off. Buh bye now.

deal with it normalfag

The thing is, we are not the first (nor the last) to resort to "internet memes" to spread the ideology, i absolutely think that using this sort of propaganda is problematic, in order to stand out and disassociate ourselves from all the fed posters, casual memers, uncle ted people and non apolitical and reformer types we'll just have to do something else entirely. As i said, i'm not totally against propagandizing, it's just something we'll need to thoroughly think about because it'd either make or break us, reputation is very important if we actually want to attract useful people.

>You are welcome to fuck off
try and make me you jew loving faggot

You're the normal fag

Jews love urbanization and technology. I think you're projecting

No, usually just buy seeds from local seed production companies that produce seeds that are very well-suited for the local environment.

Some user kindly recommended this book:

'Return to Resistance', by Raoul A. Robinson

sharebooks.com/system/files/Return-to-Resistance.pdf

You might want to take a look at it; just barely went through the index, but it seems to have some top-tier information regarding seeds.

It's just an audio clip that's this youtu.be/_citG7kWBnI with "music"

jews love running controlled opposition projects like the cuckzinski unabomber

>>What the system subjects us to against our will:
>-porn industry
Nobody forces you to watch porn, just don't open it.
>-rap culture/hollywood destroying the youth
Don't listen/watch it then.
>-transexual children
You don't have to raise your child to be a tranny.
>-opioid deaths by the million
You don't have to use drugs.
>-mass abortion - profit driven - fetuses used to make body lotions
People aren't forced to do abortions.
>-poisonous food, drink, and environment
Just don't eat shit you fat american.
>-spyware products everywhere
Don't buy proprietary shit.
>-planned obscelence
>-built by the lowest bidder
These two are real problems, you can fight it by choosing open source and practicing your right to repair
>-shallow materialism and consumerism
You don't have to be a consumer cuck.
>-breakdown of family unit and gender roles
>-mother earns money to pay daycare to do her 'real' job
>-divorce business
Imagine caring about whores in 2020.
>-generic mass appeal products
You don't have to buy them.
>-morals, laws, and culture subject to profit
>-sociopathy rewarded, decency punished
>-political and social systems fully controlled by corporations
>-manufacturing endless proxy wars
>-manipulating money is a job in itself
>-debt based economy
>-constant inflation considered normal
These above are an economy and jew problem, you will have these regardless wether you eliminate technology or not.
>-race to the bottom wage slavery
You don't have to be a wageslave.
>-manufacture identity based infighting
You don't have to fall for the meme identities.
>-illusion of democratic control
You don't have to be naive.
>-mass immigration for welfare and wage suppression
Jews.
>-only frivolities get cheaper while necessities rise in price
The result of government retards increasing inflation.
>-false dichotomy of the only alternative being bread lines
Again, jews.

after typing this all up you should notice how the cuckzinski crowd always avoids the Jew issue, thats for a reason. they dont bite the hand that feeds them.

Indeed, Anarcho primitivism is a jewish honeypot designed to trick relatively conscious people into disarming themselves. Literally transforming yourself into a cuckold by rejecting the inventions of the white race.

OK, I already don't put any resources into meme production aside from screenshotting stuff I'm reading, if that counts.
What I'm gathering is that we might have enough people to begin some serious research projects, with this thread as the platform for the dissemination of it.

Porn and rap imbues the culture. You have to interact with people who've consumed it.

Ontario has a sex ed curriculum championed by a literal sadistic pedophile Jew. This guy was busted by RCMP on pedo forums and served jail time. They push the tranny crap as "anti bullying" curriculum which they do *NOT* allow you to opt out of. They don't tell you what day the material will be covered so you can keep your kid home. Again, you can homeschool but you still have to interact with these people

>>-spyware products everywhere
>Don't buy proprietary shit.
You are assigned numbers at birth and tracked by the government. There is no opting out.

Jews are an urbanite class that thrives on excess wealth. If you got rid of technology they wouldn't be able to leave fast enough. They are dysgenic and alot of them would simply die. Technology caused us to become soft which causes us to tolerate their bullshit in the first place. The root problem is our softness, not Jews. If Jews are the AIDS, porn/mass immigration/fake money are the opportunistic infections, technology is the buttsex that gave you the AIDS

Lol at your naïve individualism.

Do you think that a whole generation of kids listening to 'muh dick muggfugga' music does not affect you...? That it does not affect the moral integrity of the youth of your community....? The future of your community....?

Do you think trannies and all manner of other degenerates on the loose in your community diesn't affect you? Wait till YOUR kids grow up thinking that Timmy, their tranny classmate is fucking normal and acceptable, not to mention the acceptance-enforcing legal structure.

Do you really think that living in a drug-addled community doesn't affect you? Abortion: the normalization of women killing babies does not shape the moral code of your community, oh no, not at all.... You don't think that being surrounded by NPC's who think their vote actually counts and are appeased by that illusion doesn't affect you...? Really...? Now that is rich, mate....

unibomber mailed plenty of bombs to jews, and that doesn't even matter anyway because he is just one person with these views, he is not the core of the movement at all

oh yeah, unilateral disarmament is obviously something he pushed when he was mailing pipe bombs to people

>What I'm gathering is that we might have enough people to begin some serious research projects

Research into what, or how? What is on your mind, user? More on this please.

Basically what ATRev says. That the group should be well versed in the revolutions of history, the bit about studying 'Organizational Behavior', etc (I might need to refer back to the book).
Maybe you feel comfortable enough to lead a discussion on it? From I've seen, your history is pretty sharp.

Again, i am not fully against propagandizing, i will say this: We absolutely shouldn't use Dr Kaczynski (or any other personality). We are building from the ground up, what we should be propagandizing is our own research and the ideology in general. Again, it is of extreme importance that we shun all the lazies, reform types in general. Unfortunately Dr Kaczynski (the personality) attracts a lot of different types of people (most we certainly do not need). So as i said, we should do a lot of thinking about what/how/where/when we should propagandize, it's very crucial.

>muh communities
>muy society
Get fucked normalfags, you either stop being a subhuman normieshit or get culled like the rest of the cattle. Your choice.

An American user expressed interest about looking into some sort of non-profit, , was getting a reply ready to post when the thread 404'd.

Reply as follows:

>No need for poverty.

No need for a pay-day either.... Very sorry to sound like a filthy commie, but money does in fact ruin everything.... Many such cases, unironically; have seen it irl all too often....

> Sure there are many examples of leftist ones that had, initially, good intentions.

Your point is well taken, no doubt, but in the end you said it yourself user. They all start out with their hearts full of loooove and other shite. However 10 -15 years later, they end up being subsidized by globohomo, be it UN or whomever. Sure, as all tedpilled anons already know, their weak
and flimsy lefty pro-system ideology furnishes all the necessary copes for such an end-result, but still.... gotta watch out for that shit, no matter how tedpilled anons may be.

>From what I gather, you need a cause and a name for the paperwork here in the States

Makes total sense. Don't really see a better country for this sort of thing than the US, other than perhaps some exceptional European country, at least in theory....
Have not looked into it AT ALL or anything, but it is a fact that in the US you still have -for the time being, welp!- the 1A.

>the concern about infiltration, but I don't think it needs to be an issue especially if kept small.

That will ALWAYS be an issue, no matter how small. Rhetorical question incoming: have you ever been fucked over by a trusted friend, a wife, a brother...?
If not, do you know someone who has...? Well there you go. Infiltration should always be a concern, ESPECIALLY when it doesn't seem to be. 'Small' doesn't guarantee jack shit, unfortunately.

>I don't know how else you can have a legal arm to the movement without something like this.

This point pretty much redeems any and all criticisim. This alone -a legal arm- would be absolutely invaluable, priceless.

>unibomber
Unabomber.

yeah so china can leap light years ahead of us and demolish the west with their embrasure of tech and trans-humanism because they have no dignity

No idea why you're confusing me for a pacifist, let alone a normie.

rebuttal to "just don't buy poisoned food":
youtube.com/watch?v=CidaOP7PA-o

Agreed. We should carefully comb over the details of any media we put out. I'm certainly not the person to talk to at this point in time, although I would gladly contribute in the future.
Since you keep mentioning undesirables: What do you think about simply ignoring the low-effort rightists in this thread right now? They got a rise out of some of us already.

>unibomber mailed plenty of bombs to jews
These jews never got really bombed it was a jewish larp

Are we Pro-system now? We absolutely shouldn't aspire for political power, this shouldn't even be a topic of discussion, and i've said this the other day.

China would stay medieval peasants if not for stolen white technology. They are not food secure. They could easily be starved back to 1/10 of their population with a 6mo embargo

DUDE

>don't forced

oh boy, I guess you are not aware of how things are rapidly changing, right? There will be a new morality, there will be a new law, if you don't follow it, you will be a transgressor and transgressor are send to prison.

If it was a matter of choice, yes, only retards to this, but it won't be a choice anymore.

> pay-day
It does not mean exorbitant salaries will be paid out. Just enough to for basics. That is a normie deterrent in itself (you know consoom and what not). The main point here is that participants will essentially be all-in. No need to take side gigs or even an entirely different job (waste of time and soul). I make slightly below median salary in the States, and I honestly think it is a lot for ME. Any person joining the organization would be completely wasting their time if their goal was power or wealth.
> infiltration
Good point. Be on guard. We need elaborate shit tests. I think ISAIF is a shit-test in itself with the early section on leftists. All of my friends CANNOT get past that part. It's astounding.
> legal org.
Open to other suggestions of course. This is also a more distant goal.

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I'll stress that this is further down the future. At some point face-to-face contact must happen between members. I do not see how this is pro-system. It wouldn't be a reform group how I see it. There's always the issue of whether or not the goal of the non-profit can be stated so plainly.

Abhorrent post

>Agreed. We should carefully comb over the details of any media we put out. I'm certainly not the person to talk to at this point in time, although I would gladly contribute in the future.
Yes, eventually we'll have to even leave these threads as well, get our own thing going. For now, we still need to talk about a few more stuff, now that (i think) we've agreed that we'll be doing research, what we should be thinking about is: what/where we should research, where/how we should share our research, see if other people are willing to join us and a lot of other stuff..
>Since you keep mentioning undesirables: What do you think about simply ignoring the low-effort rightists in this thread right now? They got a rise out of some of us already.
That's just what i have been doing since my first post.