Wait, there are people who don't have an inner monologue, nor the capability to render things in a "mind's eye" way?

Yes. The ones capable of abstract thought are, in fact, a minority. NPCs will pass for real humans the first time you meet them, but their disguise slips the longer you know them. They robotically do exactly the same motions every day. They repeat themselves a lot. They have a few preset responses in a handful of categories, and never respond to your prompts with genuine thought of their own.

I think this is probably not really true and more just a matter of the ideas of "inner monologue" and "seeing things in the mind's eye" being poorly communicated

i think verbally and non-verbally
i dont literally say in my head "im going to move my right foot now", i just do it
stfu about this npc nonsense

I always wondered how those that can't use even their own language in a reasonable way think.

>i dont literally say in my head "im going to move my right foot now", i just do it
That's not what an internal monologue is you fucking soulless subhuman. Congratulations, you just exposed yourself as one of them.

No. NPCs are real.
youtube.com/watch?v=u69YSh-cFXY

Have you never mused the writings of James Joyce or Van Morrison lyrics in your head?

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i have an inner monologue too
i don't use my internal monologue to appreciate paintings or music. do you analyse what you're listening too when you're enjoying some led zeppelin? no, because that defeats the purpose. when considering philosophical ideas, i use my internal monologue combined with my abstract reasoning. each person thinks in a multitude of ways,

God damn you missed the point. True NPC tier.

>i don't use my internal monologue to appreciate paintings or music. do you analyse what you're listening too when you're enjoying some led zeppelin?
That's literally how I use it. I analyze Led Zeppelin by thinking "damn, these guys love Hobbits and ripping off old blues musicians."

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So what do they operate on? Reflexes, learned routines, and instinct?

When I listen to music, I normally will analyze what I'm listening too. The lyrics, the meaning, the change notes etc. And spoiler, at the same time enjoy it. You are true NPC.
>hurrr but some times I think about stuff!
>me no NPC!

This, but we're never going to hear the end of it. Just think of how much run the Mandela Effect has gotten. When absolutely perfect 100 IQ 5/10 NPC Females are posting memes about epistemology, it's here to stay. The irony is choking.

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ok, what about mozart? please don't tell me you are this autistic

The Mind, O Tat, is of God's very essence - (if such a thing as essence of God there be) - and what that is, it and it only knows precisely.
The Mind, then, is not separated off from God's essentiality, but is united to it, as light to sun.
This Mind in men is God, and for this cause some of mankind are gods, and their humanity is nigh unto divinity.
For the Good Daimon said: "Gods are immortal men, and men are mortal gods."
But in irrational lives Mind is their nature. For where is Soul, there too is Mind; just as where Life, there is there also Soul.
But in irrational lives their soul is life devoid of mind; for Mind is the in-worker of the souls of men for good - He works on them for their own good.
In lives irrational He doth co-operate with each one's nature; but in the souls of men He counteracteth them.
For every soul, when it becomes embodied, is instantly depraved by pleasure and by pain.
For in a compound body, just like juices, pain and pleasure seethe, and into them the soul, on entering in, is plunged.
O'er whatsoever souls the Mind doth, then, preside, to these it showeth its own light, by acting counter to their prepossessions, just as a good physician doth upon the body prepossessed by sickness, pain inflict, burning or lancing it for sake of health.
In just the selfsame way the Mind inflicteth pain on the soul, to rescue it from pleasure, whence comes its every ill.
The great ill of the soul is godlessness; then followeth fancy for all evil things and nothing good.
So, then, Mind counteracting it doth work good on the soul, as the physician health upon the body.

verbally you think "ok, it changed from c note to e note". damn, you're a real life automaton. npc bitch

I'm not into classical, but I would imagine I would think about the pacing and interaction between instrument sets.

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yeah, but would you do it verbally?

Sub 85 IQ

But whatsoever human souls have not the Mind as pilot, they share in the same fate as souls of lives irrational.
For [Mind] becomes co-worker with them, giving full play to the desires toward which [such souls] are borne - [desires] that from the rush of lust strain after the irrational; [so that such human souls,] just like irrational animals, cease not irrationally to rage and lust, nor are they ever satiate of ills.
For passions and irrational desires are ills exceeding great; and over these God hath set up the Mind to play the part of judge and executioner.
Tat: In that case, father mine, the teaching (logos) as to Fate, which previously thou didst explain to me, risks to be overset.
For that if it be absolutely fated for a man to fornicate, or commit sacrilege, or do some other evil deed, why is he punished - when he hath done the deed from Fate's necessity?
Hermes: All works, my son, are Fate's; and without Fate naught of things corporal - or good, or ill - can come to pass.
But it is fated, too, that he who doeth ill, shall suffer. And for this cause he doth it - that he may suffer what he suffereth, because he did it.
But for the moment, [Tat,] let be the teaching as to vice and Fate, for we have spoken of these things in other [of our sermons]; but now our teaching (logos) is about the Mind: - what Mind can do, and how it is [so] different - in men being such and such, and in irrational lives [so] changed; and [then] again that in irrational lives it is not of a beneficial nature, while that in men it quencheth out the wrathful and the lustful elements.
Of men, again, we must class some as led by reason, and others as unreasoning.

Kind of depends. Usually the first/few times I am just taking it all in and notice stuff in a stream of consciousness way. On repeat listening, I will focus on different aspects. But yes, it is generally "verbalized".

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It's not any individual phrase you're saying, but the way your own words interact with each other, from one post to another, that demonstrates a true absence of higher thought processes.

But all men are subject to Fate, and genesis and change, for these are the beginning and the end of Fate.
And though all men do suffer fated things, those led by reason (those whom we said Mind doth guide) do not endure like suffering with the rest; but, since they've freed themselves from viciousness, not being bad, they do not suffer bad.
Tat: How meanest thou again, my father? Is not the fornicator bad; the murderer bad; and [so with] all the rest?
Hermes: [I meant not that;] but that the Mind-led man, my son, though not a fornicator, will suffer just as though he had committed fornication, and though he be no murderer, as though he had committed murder.
The quality of change he can no more escape than that of genesis.
But it is possible for one who hath the Mind, to free himself from vice.
Wherefore I've ever heard, my son, Good Daimon also say - (and had He set it down in written words, He would have greatly helped the race of men; for He alone, my son, doth truly, as the Firstborn God, gazing on all things, give voice to words (logoi) divine) - yea, once I heard Him say:
"All things are one, and most of all the bodies which the mind alone perceives. Our life is owing to [God's] Energy and Power and Aeon. His Mind is good, so is His Soul as well. And this being so, intelligible things know naught of separation. So, then, Mind, being Ruler of all things, and being Soul of God, can do whate'er it wills."

So do thou understand, and carry back this word (logos) unto the question thou didst ask before - I mean about Mind's Fate.
For if thou dost with accuracy, son, eliminate [all] captious arguments (logoi), thou wilt discover that of very truth the Mind, the Soul of God, doth rule o'er all - o'er Fate, and Law, and all things else; and nothing is impossible to it - neither o'er Fate to set a human soul, nor under Fate to set [a soul] neglectful of what comes to pass. Let this so far suffice from the Good Daimon's most good [words].
Tat: Yea, [words] divinely spoken, father mine, truly and helpfully. But further still explain me this.
Thou said'st that Mind in lives irrational worked in them as [their] nature, co-working with their impulses.
But impulses of lives irrational, as I do think, are passions.
Now if the Mind co-worketh with [these] impulses, and if the impulses of [lives] irrational be passions, then is Mind also passion, taking its color from the passions.
Hermes: Well put, my son! Thou questionest right nobly, and it is just that I as well should answer [nobly].
All things incorporeal when in a body are subject unto passion, and in the proper sense they are [themselves] all passions.
For every thing that moves itself is incorporeal; while every thing that's moved is body.
Incorporeals are further moved by Mind, and movement's passion.
Both, then, are subject unto passion - both mover and the moved, the former being ruler and the latter ruled.
But when a man hath freed himself from body, then is he also freed from passion.

lmao, you're brain dead
bet you're really proud of being an intp or some shit

>Wait, there are people who don't have an inner monologue, nor the capability to render things in a "mind's eye" way?

See now you understand why we are fucked. We are outnumbered.

But, more precisely, son, naught is impassible, but all are passible.
Yet passion differeth from passibility; for that the one is active, while the other's passive.
Incorporeals moreover act upon themselves, for either they are motionless or they are moved; but whichsoe'er it be, it's passion.
But bodies are invaribly acted on, and therefore they are passible.
Do not, then, let terms trouble thee; action and passion are both the selfsame thing. To use the fairer sounding term, however, does no harm.
Tat: Most clearly hast thou, father mine, set forth the teaching (logos).
Hermes: Consider this as well, my son; that these two things God hath bestowed on man beyond all mortal lives - both mind and speech (logos) equal to immortality. He hath the mind for knowing God and uttered speech (logos) for eulogy of Him.
And if one useth these for what he ought, he'll differ not a whit from the immortals. Nay, rather, on departing from the body, he will be guided by the twain unto the Choir of Gods and Blessed Ones.
Tat: Why, father mine! - do not the other lives make use of speech (logos)?
Hermes: Nay, son; but use of voice; speech is far different from voice. For speech is general among all men, while voice doth differ in each class of living thing.
Tat: But with men also, father mine, according to each race, speech differs.
Hermes: Yea, son, but man is one; so also speech is one and is interpreted, and it is found the same in Egypt, and in Persia, and in Greece.
Thou seemest, son, to be in ignorance of Reason's (Logos) worth and greatness. For that the Blessed God, Good Daimon, hath declared:
"Soul is in Body, Mind in Soul; but Reason (Logos) is in Mind, and Mind in God; and God is Father of [all] these."

>strawman
I'd make a joke about your programming but that would be a pretty NPC thing to do since it's played out now.

I render three dimensionally from my whispering eye

An inner monologue would be a waste of resources. Everybody's minds have a self-understood language of symbols, which is more than enough.

I asked my dad the other day and he said ‘people don’t actually have voices in their head’

I’m not the weird one here, how do they live?

Enough dammnit. You're arguing because you are afraid. I awaken thee. You shut your third eye because you saw the demons. You must free yourself. You must tame the storm in the mind. Be free, open it again. It is only your imagination. The imaginary scenarios are not sin. I open thee in the Lord's name. I command ye, be free thy mind. See the truth within. Fight thy oppressor .
youtu.be/kyUtGNIFx5c

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The Reason, then, is the Mind's image, and Mind God's [image]; while Body is [the image] of the Form; and Form [the image] of the Soul.
The subtlest part of Matter is, then, Air ; of Air, Soul; of Soul, Mind; and of Mind, God.
And God surroundeth all and permeateth all; while Mind Surroundeth Soul, Soul Air, Air Matter.
Necessity and Providence and Nature are instruments of Cosmos and of Matter's ordering; while of intelligible things each is Essence, and Sameness is their Essence.
But of the bodies of the Cosmos each is many; for through possessiong Sameness, [these] composed bodies, though they do change from one into another of themselves, do natheless keep the incorruption of their Sameness.

Is that just a sign of low IQ or low creativity. What causes an NPC

do sociopaths / psychopaths have any inner monologue? if they have whats the difference to normies?

>strawman
you're literally saying i am a philosophical zombie for no reason other than you don't like how i type. i think you're being more fallacious than i, my dear retard.

>An inner monologue would be a waste of resources.
Chinese lack them and they are rendered unable to invent anything. They can only copy things like forgeries.

lack of free-will or spark of the divine
they're android / AI / biological robot

Yes, but they often lack empathy in the emotional sense.

you can also have a really "intelligent" NPC but the thing I noticed that is the most noticed is their likeness to one another,

all have job, have hobby, live in place, support rah

so when you find these kind of people I suspect they all share the same core consciousness and the earth only has about 100 different consciousness

>stfu about this npc nonsense

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Nothing wrong with being grounded in reality tho

78% are NPCs actually.

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>Everybody's minds have a self-understood language of symbols, which is more than enough.

You are making an assumption. People have blank heads. They react to stimulus in their environment without thinking.

It can be helpful to make thoughts more concrete with explicit wordings. There's a good chance when someone doesn't want to commit to expressing their reasoning in language it's because they're glossing over some details. That's basically why the Socratic method exists.

wait really?
i can even create them in irl like vr
whats so special about it

One song and they are rip offs? Also didn't that nog lose?

>do sociopaths / psychopaths have any inner monologue? if they have whats the difference to normies
No conscience. So they don't feel guilt. Conscience and consciousness are two entirely different words.

Yes. You can find them on /cvg/

Yeah they are called niggers.

Food for thought, that inner monologue is actually an AI via the alphabet. Language is a tool, a man-made tool. That inner monologue is made up from the alphabet

But what if I need to communicate ideas to others?

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The alphabet is made to write the language not the other way around.

It conditions. The literate mind is vastly different from an illiterate mind.