Dont stop the debate boys. We're gonna settle this once and for all.
Is Eastern Europe really the shithole everyone says it is? (Cont)
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France should be green
Romania and Bulgaria should be yellow.
Greece orange.
Italy Spain and Portugal are also effectively broke since forever.
It's pretty simple really, the countries where the state has a bigger involvement in the economy are those where the economy is worse.
Forgot, Bosnia red, no debate here.
>greece doing okay
> romania not orange or red
> spain blue
Shit tier map
Of course not.
Eastern Europe is a shithole for pic related reasons.
Most US cities had less than 5000 pop 150 years ago.
I prefere it to west, so whatever the reason, it works great.
Delet. We aren't European.
Yes it is.
Yes, in your dreams moron. US cities developed because of transatlantic trade. Who do you think founded Goldman Sachs bank? Rich Jews from Germany.
But they didn't have to compete with well established ones in close proximity on the same continent.
i identify as a person of color
You got a bonus for stability that is resources and army
>Greece should be orange
Yeah and retards should be neutered
Over past 2 decades we have caught on a lot, and in the 1970's Gierek transformed poland more in those few years than anyone else in a hundred, houses, road network plans, most of it was laid in the 70's during Gierek's technocratic period.
I have lived abroad and, making in Poland is not easy, you need capital. Thou, if you finally make it Poland is awesome country to live. I have nicely renovated apartment in a major city well paying job for polish conditons. We poles like to complain a lot, but comparing to live in the west life in Poland can be pretty good.
>Pic related, renovated ap in Kraków, old building. I have something similar. Just saying Poland is not shithole people think it is.
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This is some bizzare cope. Those other places in Europe didn't magically get population for no reason, their population increased because they weren't shit holes. This is literally evidence for eastern Europe having always been a shithole.
What about America?
Imagine being so retarded that you literally believe a disinfo campaign.
>Muh pay debts
>Muh lazy greeks
I wonder where gypsies like you find internet access
Everyone is throwing opinion left and right yet they have no idea what goes on in the countries they are talking about. Why yes I do think the run of the mill american knows about the intricacies of slovakian and montenegrin politics
Depends on how you define shithole. Yes, a lot of the Eastern European countries are poor, but they are pretty comfy to live in. A lot less cucked and bluepilled than countries like Sweden and the UK.
I have lived in Gdansk in Poland for a few months (working remotely) and I really enjoyed it. People were very polite, friendly and civilized.
You underestimate Romania.
>big country
>20mil+ people
>lots of resources
>Danube
>powerful capital city that receives lots of investments from abroad
Almost as Australia, but not everything is trying to kill you and most of it is habitable (excluding Chernobil).
>Russia
>powerful economy
so fucking what if they work so hard and still can't pay their debts imagine what will happen when the next crisis comes
You shouldn't judge people for not living in big cities during the black plague. :D
Because they dont need to actually visit those countries to get a decent understanding.
Keep telling yourself that you're not trash-tier that a German or a Dane could move to live and work in Romania without experiencing any downgrade in salary, living standard and visable social economic wealth.
And try to pretend that you're not literally begging for scrap money outside of shops in Western Europe.
Everyone already knows.
finland going green
Nope, west of the Appalachians it was very empty.
Good point.
Literally above retard. Geez . I now have to explain the same thing twice in 5 min. The absolute state of Yas Forums
>Everyone already knows
What?
Thay you are a colony for convicts and mentaly retarded founded on baren land inhabited by cavemen who you hunted for sport?
They might work a lot of hours on paper, but they aren't very productive..
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is this a corona virus infection map ?
That's not enough you greek nigger
Also the only danes or germans who cone to eastern europe come here to rape children
>Bosnia, Serbia and Macedonia somehow having better economies than Bulgaria or Romania
lol
You may find it lowly and niggerish but I am proud or our nigger economy. Unlike most of your countries mine is going full accelerationist . Young people leave and corruption is sky high , when the booglo comes I can easily take over with small militia
They embraced capitalism and realized they suck at it
the only way greece will ever pay its debts is when they finally declare bankruptcy the next crisis should do it
And you just lost the argument because you know im right. Romania is nigger-tier compared to Western EU. Nothing you will say can change that. Nobody will move to Romania from Western EU without experiencing a significant downgrade in visable social economic wealth. So fuck you Euronigger.
Ok we turned a literal hostile deadly desert into probably the most liveable patch of land on the planet, with the highest pay and living standard. BBQ, swimming pools, 20 dollars minimum wage and chicks in bikinis are a human right here. Respect our ancestors and try harder to cope jugoslavian.
Yes, grear nation except for they low IQ population and gyppsy-nigger Blood ....
Blood is destinity !!
Uemployment in Europe:
>Bosnia and Herzegovina 32.75
>Greece 16.4
>Spain 13.8
>Austria 12.2
>Albania 11.6
>Italy 9.7
>Serbia 9.7
>Lithuania 9.4
>Ukraine 8.7
>Croatia 8.3
>Slovenia 8.2
>Sweden 8.2
>France 8.1
>EURO AREA 7.3
>Finland 6.9
>Portugal 6.7
>Bulgaria 6.2
>EUROPEAN UNION 6.2
>Latvia 6
>Poland 5.5
>Ireland 5.4
>Belgium 5.2
>Slovakia 5.1
>Russia 4.6
>Estonia 4.1
>Romania 3.9
>United Kingdom 3.9
>Norway 3.8
>Denmark 3.7
>Hungary 3.5
>Germany 3.2
>Czech Republic 3
>Netherlands 2.9
>Switzerland 2.9
>Over past 2 decades we have caught on a lot,
Bla bla bla, yes we have caught on because of debt-economy, so it won't last anyway. Meanwhile West is accumulating capital since like 18 century.
France was the most populous territory of Europe from late antiquity until 19. century. But it's just because the French are such geniuses bro.
How are as bad as Belarus? Delete
>Bosnia, Serbia and Macedonia somehow having better economies than Bulgaria or Romania
They base their judgement basedness or whatever . Our gdp is higher than portugals or greece yet the picture says its as bad as ukraine
To be honest it is a surprise its as good as it is with what the (((USSR))) did to them!
Yup
Which white majority European nation should I move to? I want a gorgeous blonde wife & cute blonde twink boyfriend. We can all live together & raise a family.
hungary and slovakia and croatia should be yellow, lithuania greeen
also russia green wtf? we have higher gdp per capita and higher wages than them
see pic
>the countries where the state has a bigger involvement in the economy are those where the economy is worse.
tell it to germany or holland or switzerland.
croatia is and will always be a shithole. pls stay away from it.
Yes your country is the refuge of social filth and degenerates. I have nothing to argue against it. Add it to your genepool.
triggered greek diaspora
>only looks at nigger coins per capita
No chance you disgusting neet.. No european woman would want to date a fat dishusting piece of ahit like you
Spain and Italy should be yellow.
France should be green.
aussie nigger doesnt know shit, ignore him
we still have a long way to go
We are doing fine
you are ridiculous
>Bosnia, Serbia and Macedonia somehow having better economies than Bulgaria or Romania
They base their judgement basedness or whatever . Our gdp is higher than portugals or greece yet the picture says its as bad as ukraine
>And you just lost the argument because you know im right. Romania is nigger-tier compared to Western EU. Nothing you will say can change that. Nobody will move to Romania from Western EU without experiencing a significant downgrade in visable social economic wealth. So fuck you Euronigger
Every single eastern european nation is worse in almost every single way compared to western europe. I didnt disagree with you because i agree, but you still dont know what you re talking about. We have a decent economy, with the highest economic growth just behind china (last year). You just insult us for no reason whatsoever. Also in germany even though it has the most powerful eu economy the people dont get paid that much. Their salaries are just slightly ahead of ours (in cities). They also spend a lot on rent because they dont own houses and we have the highest house ownership in the world so that may even things out. I still think you have no idea what you re talking about
>we have caught on because of debt-economy
It's true, but we world is living in debt world so it doesn't matter as much. We are still not too padly in debt compared to other nations. Debt wise we are doing so-so and sure it should be our priority to reduce debt, but to do it faster infrastructure, industry and innovation investments are necessary. Thus we are in precarious balancing act position. We also have demographic problem among others. It's a difficult balancing act but so far we have done relatively well.
look whos talking, why are you doing so bad for western european standards as a country?
Retarded map
Greeks are way wealthier than Germans and Swedish.Pic related
Not fat, or disgusting, or a neet. Try again you worthless fuck boy!
Well it wasn't bad, but all this talking about catching up with the West is just dreaming. And besides, I don't care about being like the West, because Europe is a dying civilization anyway.
wages too, theres barely any difference between a minimum wage in hungary and slovakia and one in romania
retarded cope
We are doing fine you romanian cuck too bad Ceaucescu sold all your fucking food
Croatia should be orange. Even though they have tourism which gives them some shekels d(j)ekuji to Pastetari and Hans from the North, their Slavonians are as fake and as gay in their "we wuz central Yurope" as Vojvodina Serbs while their Dalmatians are as nigger tier as Serbshits south of Sava river.
Stop projecting gypsy mongoloid
In reality you live in few overpopulated cities on southern coast. Most of your country is inhabitable, animals want to kill you and locals despise you. There is more sheeps than men and shortage of women. You are ruled by an old German woman. It takes 18 hours to get there by plane from UK, so nobody even bothers. If there were no Croats you wouldn't have a football team or wine.
Good thing you have legal prostitution so sheeps can sleep in relative peace.
Damn I imagine a lot of that is retirees from other cuntries
so what? we are talking about countries here, not about people's wealth
yeah, he was a fucking retard, but i cant deny that he did some good things too
>Croatia should be orange
Serbia should stay red, just add the Ottoman symbol.
The fact that you have a higher % in growth means absolutely jack shit. I already showed in an obvious analogy
>Man 1 has 100 million, adds 1 million to his account.
>Man 2 has two cents, adds one cent to his account.
WOOOO 50% GROWTH !!! BTFO !!!!!
Also GDP is not the best way to determent social economic wealth. Countries like Philipines has high GDP but extreme inequality. You need to look at other statistics such as HDI (Human development Index) etc to get a clear idea over how well the people in the country are doing.
Economy in Greece has traditionally been agricultural in the countryside and from tourism in the islands and athens . Its not much but we got by just fine , most families before 1960 had up to 10 kids. At 2001 Antreas Simitis ( literally means Semite in Greek imagine that) stroke a deal with (((goldman Sachs))) to present different numbers to EU so that we can join and then EU promptly fucked us like starved niggers. google.com
You actually thought Ger****ny just "gave" us money? "Oh wow poor g*rmans they are such philanthropists but Greece is taking advantage of them." I really dont understand how anyone can be so naive. On Yas Forums of all places. Germany most of all profited of Greek artificially created debt to impose laws and regulations that would just so happen to increase the debt every year by a bit so that they can keep Milking us like cows and buying off our assets. Peaches from Veroia were used to be sold to Russians for 1.05 euro per kilo. Now they are being sold to Germany for 0.25 euro per kilo which then they sell to Russia for pure profit . Greek air travel companies have been bought off. Greek port of Peiraus , bought off. Oil reserves in Aegean and Ionian sea and Cyprus , all bought off. The jews arranged for us to join the EU so that the jews will be able to milk us ad infitum. And what does Yas Forums , the sworn enemy of the jews do? Believe them . "Pay debts goyms. Serve us "
These numbers are inflated by people who work without being registered because greedy business owners dont want to pay taxes. Real one should be closer to 10%