Is evidence overrated?

Data points is evidence

Christians don’t have either

>only someone who is unsure
knowledge begins with observation. you make inferences based on observation. i tend to trust the observable because of their tendency to repeat, not the claims of a saint that i'm supposed to trust on pure faith
>"evidence" is used to control what is possible.
If something happens to you but you cant prove it, it didnt happen.
nice reverse blanket statement. you described process of making inferences based on observation on a bad day. let's see what happens when you take your idea to its extreme and take every word of a saint as true

It's better than any other book of antiquity.

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Yes. Science is, due to its inherent nature, limited to observing objective reality by means of materialist empericism. It can therefore lay no claim what-so-ever on matters of the spirit.

Not only do we know by logical deduction, that there once was a situation that was non-local, immaterial, timeless and all-encompassing, we also know that emergent properties exist, such as mind.

This is why dawkins wished for philosophy to be dead... but the utter moron didn't even understand that such a statement itself is of a philosophical kind.

Also, when it comes to the bible... it simply doesn't need to defend itself against science, for nowhere did it claim to be a book of science. It's a book of theological messenging, it comes from the spirit.

Scientism can go fuck itself for all i care.

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mind < body < spirit

It is to christards but to everyone else no, not at all.

Can agree with this.
If you notice how everything moves in cycles on earth and is self sustainable, it's unnatural to assume that our souls would just pop into existence out of nothing and stay in hell or heaven eternally.

evidence cucks are unironically the lowest in the spiritual ladder

What a completely stupid picture that is. The number of anything doesn't contribute to whether it's true. There are a shitload of harry potter books and it was written like a decade after the events "happened", yet nobody believes it to exist, much like everything else in your picture except the NT. There isn't one person on Earth who believes the events in the Iliad actually happened.

>Not only do we know by logical deduction, that there once was a situation that was non-local, immaterial, timeless and all-encompassing
we don't
>we also know that emergent properties exist, such as mind.
what don't you understand about the mind as it pertains to reality?
>matters of spirit
>Also, when it comes to the bible... it simply doesn't need to defend itself against science, for nowhere did it claim to be a book of science. It's a book of theological messenging, it comes from the spirit.
>god gave you 5 senses so you wouldn't use them or observe causality. even though the 5 senses are there, you'll be better off blindly fulfilling duties

There's a difference between a more phenomenological approach and a faith-based approach. Phenomenological evidence is still evidence.

Religion doesn't necessarily have to be faith-based. Paganism, some branches of Hinduism and Esoteric Christianity put emphasis on direct experience with the spiritual as well as contemplation/logical deduction (as you've mentioned).

pretty typical you bait christian beliefs instead of the beliefs of Muslims who still throw homosexuals from buildings.. yeah we know what you are doing you baiting faggot.
t. non christian

>our souls would just pop into existence out of nothing
You mean just like the physical world popped into existence?
>inb4 religious fag
There's really no reason to assume different worlds don't exist, it just can't be proved

>we don't
Yes we do. You just don't want it to be so. I still remember the scientific community freaking out about the big bang theory, and how none of them wished for it to be true. They knew the philosophical implications of it. When they couldnt escape that conclusion anymore, they started to weave layers and layers of bullshit on top of it, to escape said conclusion... enter hurr durr muh multi-verse.

>what don't you understand about the mind as it pertains to reality?
Yeah yeah, lets pretend this hasn't been a huge issue for the past 200 years or so. Lets forget about all the the cosmological, teleological, ontological, presuppositional and transcendental arguments shall we? Come to think of it, lets not think about the khalam cosmological argument either shall we...

Let science focus itself on the materical world, and let philosophy and relgion focus itself on matters of the spirit. But let neither of them lay claim to one another.

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>he thinks the Iliad is fiction

>let's make a poll on what everyone believes to be true and let's determine what's true that way

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Reminder that the reason christcucks hate empirical evidence is because there exists none for the existence of their god.

Well you can observe how a society degenerates when it doesn't follow the commandments.

Evidence is rated Individually .
Structurally Evidence is a Gradient of Increasing coherency and Overall concordance of Information bounded by the void of chaos and disorder.
What constitutes Evidence to one being is simply sense data with undiscovered information to another.

That's just your misunderstood interpretation of things. But whatever dumbass.

Incels not being able to get laid != society degenerating

Not at all. Scholars all agree Jesus existed and anyone who doesn't think so are laughed at. We have more evidence than ever

>you can't be sure that something that has been tested with evidence is true so long as some pseud from long ago disagrees just for the sake of disagreeing

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Getting laid is not important, it's about providing a stable home for children.

And we have no evidence of any of the supernatural claims whatsoever

And people will do that, with or without religion

Wrong. Jesus predicted the fall of Jerusalem

They aren't doing it now, why would it change? You really think average people will stick together because science in the future?

That was retconned into the Bible after the fact. But even if it was, what about the other supernatural claims? What about the resurrection, which is not found anywhere outside of the Bible?

They already do that, retard. They just don’t do it with you, because you’re a neurotic far right nutjob who can’t get laid

Who does? Over 50% of couples get divorced. I'm doing fine, stop making it personal.

2 Timothy 3:1-5. Prophecy what people would be like before Armageddon
>which is not found anywhere outside of the Bible?
Not true. Also the jews indirectly confirms it because they say the body disappeared so they claim Christians stole the body

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None of those sources are first hand

Dilate.

straws made of steel.

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Any language used to express claims of matters of the spirit is inherently meaningless.

The gospels are and the extra-Biblical confirms the same things. It's one thing to be skeptical, it's another thing entirely to dismiss all evidence en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James,_brother_of_Jesus#Death

That's why it's called "faith" you retards.
Believing in something without empirical evidence.

Lol, watch this trick:

The observed expansion of the universe is an increase in the ratio between atomic radii and intergalactic distances.

It is mathematically equivalent to say that galaxies are moving apart at an accelerating rate as it is to say that atomic radii are shrinking and the Planck mass is growing exponentially. Both are comepletely consistent with observation, there is no way to tell them apart.

But, if you consider that alternate perspective, there is no big bang singularity, but the universe is infinitely old, atoms were boundless and massless. So, the further you look back in time, the more the universe approaches the non-local, the immaterial and the timeless.

At that point, the picture requires nothing more. It doesn't require a mind, as you said yourself, minds can be emergent.

So where's your spirit hiding?

arxiv.org/abs/1303.6878

Language is a Tool used by an Observer of the Spiritual Experience to transmit a representation of that experience via Information that can be understood by Others with a success rate that is variable by individual and Time Comprehension.

Language cannot completely and consistently represent everything, and when you try to do so, all you do is make noise.

Language as a Tool is only limited by the Quality of Complex Patterns it has accumulated in its development Time by its Practitioners and Their Ability to Describe, Encode and Transmit Information.

Noooo

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Is the truth too true ?

Fuck you op

So how does a system in the the process of accumulating patterns transmit information about the beginning and end of those patterns?

It doesn't.

The evidence would be the prophets and the written word of God. Transgendered people aren't a different sex because we have understanding of science to know what chromosomes are.

>Lies are evidence.
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Trangendered people aren't a different sex, they experience a gender identity inconsistent with their sex.

The question is, until there is a pill that allows an individual to alter the gender identity they experience, is living their life as one they experience a reasonable accomadation?

>Lies are evidence
A lie is something passed off as truth, such as the theory of evolution: youtu.be/NaVoGfSSSV8

>they experience a gender identity inconsistent with their sex
Sex and gender are the same thing, and so what you're saying is that they are mentally ill.

>until there is a pill that allows an individual to alter the gender identity they experience
A pill does not fix a broken mind. At best temporarily alleviates a symptom of such a disorder.

Haha, nobody said evolution doesn't make mistakes, because we're all mistakes of evolution.

Got a question though, if God doesn't make mistakes, why is there entropy?

Sex and Gender are the same thing? Ok.
What is the sex of a person with Swyer syndrome? They have a Y chromosome.
What is the Gender of a person with Swyer syndrome? They were born with a Vagina.
Why did God make Swyer Syndrome?

It was called Gender Identity Disorder until 2013, it was changed to Gender Dysphoria to reduce the stigma. Cause guess what? Psychiatrists realize that a diagnosis can, in itself have a negative effect on a person, and belonging to a profession with the goal of helping people live happy and healthy mental lives, they take approaches which seek to maximize the number of people that are able to do so. Does that bother you?

Seems to me that the brokeness of a mind isn't a binary state. Who among us doesn't have something about our minds that we wouldn't wish to change if we could? Whether it fixes it or not isn't the point. I mean, anethesia doesn't cure any medical issues whatsoever, but it can keep surgeons from getting kicked in the face while they use other tools.

Facts are facts no matter how you present them

But in the end I've come to the conclusion that there only is faith and faith becomes truth if you go with the light.

Saint Thomas would like a word with you