Whoa engineers are even more useless to society than landlords...

engineers just design it. then it goes to bean counters, then lowest bid construction, then maintenence funding. something trivial like a road is mostly construction jurisdiction.

Try driving millions of 80,000 lbs trucks over them 24/7 for a year and then we see what happens.

Get over it. Degrees have become a meme racket. Everyone knows good old fashioned nepotism is how you get a real job.

Engineer does what he's told.
"make it cheaper"

Roman horses didnt weigh up to 20 tons either

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Those roads were made for foot-traffic and horse/carriage. They were never made for the average 2-ton car, or 30+ton truck.

This and /thread

The issue is not engineers. It’s an economic system that incentivizes products that fail.

I see the city paving alpha at roads every couple of years and wonder why they don’t just put down the money up front to make high quality concrete roads that will last longer and look nicer. Probably related to unions requiring methods that lead to increased employment for their workers down the road.

The only good way to run an economy is to let the system kill off the leeches, or survive only through the charity of family members.

This. Engineers are being taught about planned obsolescence.
t. Mechatronic engineering student.

>ok brainlet
They redo the roads every year in my state costing A)time and B)money.

Did you honestly not consider the impact modern transportation woild have on that road or the impact that road would have on modern transportation. Id love to see you try to drive 65-70 mph on that.

>comparing a normal asphalt road to a deep set Roman stone road,and honestly thinking this validates your ignorance
Not gonna make it OP

>Roman horses didnt weigh up to 20 tons either
unlike obese american horses

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I would bet anything OP is a landlord trying to get people to attack anything other than himself. KYS LEECH

American road repair is basically a welfare service. Its designed to keep tons of unneeded people employed. They always need more money because all they do is patch and a poor job at that.

Depends on the type of engineer

Industrial engineers are retards.
Mechanical/Electrical engineers are sad, abused individuals
Civil engineers are sadistic assholes

The couple mech engineering classes I had to take for my networking degree discussed this like it was an inevitability.
Not a reasonable, "oh eventually time will cause technology to be outdated and new standards and formats will arise"
It was more just them hammering away at the idea that obsolescence was a fact of nature.
I remember asking one teacher how then we still use essentially 1900's Era tech in electrical grids and he didn't have an answer.

They need to teach how to build and design against obsolescence, as in, design more adaptable and modular tech, as opposed to just reinventing the wheel ever 5-10 years.

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Or a tractor trailer with a full load.

Shut up american cat

Noone drove on Roman roads with spiked winter tires. Modern asphalt is getting destroyed by those.

Kek

>romans
>not having engineers

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A horse weighs typically around 1000 lbs. A two horse wagon would easily weigh as much as a modern car.

>engineering

Soiboi skinny fat middle class retards proficient with software

>roads that can support a wagon is as complex as roads meant to carry millions of 2 ton vehicles traveling in excess of 60 mph.
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never really thought of it like this, but i can't disagree with that statement.

Obviously it would be impractical to apply such a labour intensive approach for modern roadways, but judging by the illustration, I get the notion that an ancient road would handle modern traffic weights and volumes just dandy.

What if you like to do both, drawing a thing then craft it with your hands?

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Most engineers are math brainiacs without a fucking lick of common sense. The ones I've worked with anyway.

Also there wasn’t any heavy vehicles in Roman times so roads weren’t under constant heavy pressure all the time like today’s freeways

They still have cobbled streets in certain places in the North of England.
It makes your care go brrrrrrrrrrr when you drive over them. Good entertainment for the kids but it restricts the speed you can go at before you risk damaging your car.

>What is weight distribution
>What is friction
>What is the volume of traffic
>What is you're a fucking retard
Even if you had a 2ton horse wagon combo, the number of those you would see on a single road does not compare to literally every car on the road weighing at least 2 tons and traveling at much higher speeds with more volume.

There is alot of cobbled road in europe cities, paris is full of them, they handle heavy trafic as good as concrete.
It just bad at high speed.

people who post shit like this are truely retarded

Does anyone have that Tesla quote that says academics is too theoretical and isn't comprised of actual experiments?

Which is a fraction of the weight of a heavy goods vehicle.
And of course horses wont do 60mph for many hours.

You have no idea the specialization and manpower required to build those roads, and they DID have engineers, a whole corps of them would follow the legions for siegecraft and roadbuilding and fortifications etc.

That plus the cart is generally not empty and due to the thin, solid wheels exert a lot more pressure on the ground than a modern tyre does.

>concrete roads
Friction on concrete is not as good as the friction on asphalt. The second it rains you will see deaths on the road go through the roof.
ITT a bunch of retards that can't even begin to ask simple engineering questions to disprove their ideas.

I live in a rural state, with a lot of rarely traveled side roads. They would repave a road and a year later its already cracking and sagging from sub grade failure. Maybe 3-10 cars a DAY on it. Couple years ago I almost died falling into a slip in the road. They had ignored it for so long the warning signs had slipped under the road and you couldn't see it. It was at the top of a small hill.

Have fun placing all those bricks by hand kek.

op doesn't answer lmao

okay now account for the truly massive difference in volume of traffic

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Under socialism they just want to repair the road for as cheaply as possible.
Nobody cares if it falls apart in a few years because a different politician is in office.

Where as in a free market they would look at the cost vs performance and choose the best grade for the longer term.

Is it a cold state? If so, freeze/thaw action absolutely wrecks road surfaces even if they barely see any traffic.

I live in Los Angeles, the weird thing is that there are no potholes on the freeways here, but on the streets it’s holes every corner bro

planned obsolescence for future contracts. can you even into jewish thinking?

This is surprisingly accurate. My grandfather worked in construction during and after high school. He worked on building a GE plant. After it was finished he got a job there as a mechanical engineer. He then worked there for 40 years.

They don't owe you roads, not to mention they don't get paid for fixing "your road" specifically. If you think engineers are bad, go be one and fix the problem yourself. Engineers today are extremely underfunded in the US because infrastructure is being artificially bottle necked to allow for rich people to horde their money.

>implying there were no engineers in Rome

Where do you think those roads came from retard?

last thread didnt work out then OP?

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They stand up even under modern traffic levels.

The main issue with them is it's not a smooth ride, even at fairly low speed, so you could not pave a motorway that way or you would shake people's tooth fillings out.

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google 'west seattle bridge' for the latest example of FAILURES from so called 'engineers'

all of these
also we can build more durable roads by digging deeper road beds (see: germany) but there are a few factors at play:
-almost all road construction is connected to organize crime and they bribe city officials
-roadworks are a great make-work program
-the lower upfront cost suits our retarded "lowest bidder" culture

Try driving cars on those roads retard

Yes, let me drive 90mph down a 6% grade with curves on cobblestones.

>reinventing the wheel
The software industry is particularly good at this, and for each iteration the wheel becomes a little bit slower and less flexible.

They’re way stronger and better than modern asphalt roads. If you built a Roman road and paved over the top with concrete it would withstand car traffic for decades.

Whoa retard alert! You do realize that its harder work (and more expensive) paving roads with stones/bricks than just using concrete. The concrete is less costly to use and easier to repair.

>They stand up even under modern traffic levels.
Not for long. They are regularly upkept otherwise you couldn't drive a tractor on them. And upkeep is expensive so these roads are mostly not for traffic (but for pedestrians) or they are there because of historical and/or cultural reasons.

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>thinks its only roads

youtube.com/watch?v=zdh7_PA8GZU

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>Huuur durrr durrr the Romans had millions of trucks weighting upward of 20 tonnes travelling on their little shitty roads

Pretty sure you guys have solid concrete roads for the freeway.

how many semitrucks do you think go on that road, retard?
the answer is 0 as that is a historic road that cannot support modern traffic

Quite a few streets around me are like that. In fact most of them are like that but they have since laid a layer of tarmac on top.

What if you intentionally rough up the surface in a uniform sort of way? Most interstate highways here are made of concrete, these are the roads with the highest allowable speed limits. Crashes are minimal on these roads.

Kudos to the Romans, yes.

As if, even war chariots weigh the same as a fully loaded modern semi-truck? Or thunder down the road at the modern highway speeds.

This is an inherent flaw of capitalism. The retards used to be given a plot of land to grow potatoes on, now we force them to LARP as productive citizens.

Romans didnt have 80,000lb trucks rolling on them.

>t. actual retard
those bumpy ass roads are only good for slowing traffic down where you want to enforce a speed limit. not to mention they'd get absolutely destroyed by modern vehicles.
>inb4 hurr durr but how'd they last 2000 years
cars weren't a thing until the 20th century that's how

Concrete and asphalt have different applications. Anywhere it's likely to freeze,rain a ton, or have the ground shift is some place where asphalt is preferable. Concrete would just crack in those situations leading to a worse road.

Modern roads are not designed for "modern cars". Modern roads are designed for an expected volume of 18wheelers per hour.

I hate labcoats as much as the next guy but modern roads are much more complex and take much more abuse than Roman roads did/do.

>Romans build a few high quality roads that stretch for a short distance (400,000km)
>America builds huge spanning road network across a country that is bigger than all of europe (6,580,000km)
>b-b-but why didn't they individually place every cobblestone???
retard OP

>It was more just them hammering away at the idea that obsolescence was a fact of nature
this is the same as the way globalism is taught in schools
the teachers all tell you it's inevitable because they were all told it's inevitable
even in random STEM classes they still brainwash you

What is a scarifier?

2nd time today eh faggot? What a weird fucking thing to be triggered over. Why do you envy engineers so?

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Too slow user.

>They need to teach how to build and design against obsolescence, as in, design more adaptable and modular tech, as opposed to just reinventing the wheel ever 5-10 years.
this is against the rules of capitalism. they need things to break down and need replacement every so often or engineers will be out of jobs.

How about yo go and complain to your government to quit being Jews and invest some more into better quality roads? It's not my problem if they're cheap as fuck.

Someone has to tell the people where to swing the hammer

A typical wagon train was pretty fucking heavy and didn’t have pneumatic tires and modern suspension. Wooden wheels and metal horseshoes cause a lot of wear. Roads actually had to be built to higher standards in ancient times, rubber takes a huge amount of pressure of the roads.

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There wasn't millions of those carts and those road would have foot deep ruts in no time if left unmaintained.

To build it the Roman way would cost way more than today. Cobblestone does last a long time, but that has to be a bumpy ride.
Engineers have to build roads within a tight budget. They aren't built to last forever, but as cheap as possible.
Also, construction contractors skimp as much as they can.
Another problem is the spic labor that's common these days.
Romans killed slaves that didn't work and also just for building materials; Roman concrete used bones as aggregate.
I mean, if we could use slave labor again and kill people so we could use their bones to make roads, I bet we could equal the durability that the Romans did.

It's not the problem.
Concrete requires expansion joints every 15meters with tolerable amount of steel reinforcement. These are the weak points where the road starts cracking anyway. It's also annoying with constant brapbrapbrap from those joints.
Tar is also more flexible than concrete and hence requires smaller thickness and no reinforcement steel in it.

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