From what I can gather, the majority of fascists are social rejects who exist on the fringes of society. They lack social skills, possess little charisma and have grotesque outward appearances.
This frustrates me because while I sympathize with the ideology I cannot see a way to sell it. I'm married, employed, have a healthy social life, a good career and I feel like I'm in the minority fascists. The fascists I usually encounter are either unemployed or underemployed males, single, uncomfortable to be around and uneducated. They are actually the people fascism would deem as undesirables. It's frustrating.
So what's the way forward here? How to we get healthy, normal, attractive people to our side? Pic related is what I don't want to be associated with.
"underemployed" as if sympathizing with the structural status quo of society and minorities and women getting preferences in hiring and University arent things negatively impacting us.
>why are these people with non-mainstream views not mainstream?
Jeremiah Phillips
>why do unsuccessful people embrace ideologies that are radically different than those of the society in which they failed?
Beats me, but, in all seriousness, unsuccessful people have little to lose and possibly much to gain from societal upheaval, especially if the current society actively discriminates against them or in favor of groups that are opposed to them. There are a ton of successful "fascists", but they don't broadcast it because they understand that it would be career suicide. The Kikes would ruin them anyway they could. Unsuccessful and stupid people don't care because they don't have lives that could be ruined, or they just don't care if their lives are ruined. Kikes love them because they can easily associate fascism with them.
Normal people don't embrace extremes because they just want to get through life without having to go through too much trouble, so they'll take the path of least resistance. If you want normal people to become fascists, either make fascism easy or make the alternatives totally undesirable. The latter is currently happening, for white people.
Jordan Rodriguez
It was defeated by the US in a war and is in opposition to the liberal capitalist democratic ideology the US was built on so it will be stigmatized.
Noah Evans
Hello new friend, I would suggest you lurk some more before posting but I will talk to you anyway. Generally the more successful a man is the more he will agree with "fascist" views (traditional sex/family norms, meritocratic economic hierarchies, national competition, eugenics, biological determinism, and race realism). The people who actually go to retard rallies with nazi regalia usually do not understand the logical basis for "far right" views and are just following it because it supports "their identity" and feels right. They are however very small in number and the bulk of "fascists" are not like them.
Adrian Gray
This is counter fascist. Regardless of the obstacles white man should prevail. Blaming women and minorities takes the responsibility off of you.
No intellectual would be fascist. Thats not what this place is about. Its satire.
I understand. You think you got a slice of truth no one else has. The Jim Jones flock felt the same way. They went with him to build the peoples temple.
They didnt give you truth user. They gave you a beautiful lie.
Evan Peterson
What is this nonsense? You're projecting your shit on to normal sucessful people. There is literally no successful fascist because they are turned off by the freaks of the movement. Freaks like yourselves.
Lucas Butler
it's like god was making a chad but then ran out of clay before he got to the chin.
Nolan Martin
I have a good social life and have lots of friends and get attention from girls but I hide my power level around almost everybody lol
I mean other than his bad acne this lad looks solid.
Nathan Thompson
Is that the schnoozer?
Hudson Flores
>Why is fascism not popular with normies? Because there is an abundance of better ideologies to follow who are backed by science and societal advances. >From what I can gather, the majority of fascists are social rejects who exist on the fringes of society. They lack social skills, possess little charisma and have grotesque outward appearances. That is correct. >This frustrates me because while I sympathize with the ideology I cannot see a way to sell it. I'm married, employed, have a healthy social life, a good career and I feel like I'm in the minority fascists. The fascists I usually encounter are either unemployed or underemployed males, single, uncomfortable to be around and uneducated. They are actually the people fascism would deem as undesirables. It's frustrating. You don't belong in a failed ideological movement, it lost the only war it fought, and started, 75 years ago and there have been no philosophical advances or movements in fascism since, look elsewhere for real ideologies. >So what's the way forward here? How to we get healthy, normal, attractive people to our side? Pic related is what I don't want to be associated with. Don't stick with a failed ideology, step back a moment and evaluate yourself and what you value and refresh your position on the political spectrum, either you will remain with incels as a king of an anthill or you can join real movements.
Extremism attracks the bottom tier fringes of society
Nazis/antifa both failed at life and seek to tear down society because of it. Meanwhile, the other 99% of people are enjoying productive and fulfilling lives.
They both think that after they destroy everyone else's lives, they will get to be in the ruling or privileged class, somehow. It's pure delusion. Every hitler worshiping poltard thinks they'll magically get a parcel of farmland and a government issued sex slave and every pretend marxist thinks they'll be in the politburo
Connor Edwards
>hiding your real opinions out of fear you will be outed and lose all your friends >power levels yikes
Zachary Cooper
Being a normie is a lot easier than understanding key issues. You can literally breeze through life just by doing what they tell you to do: >do good in school >follow the rules >get money People's success is determined by material wealth. However, a lot of us wish society revolved around other things like God or tradition
Jayden Edwards
Wow so much hate. Generally more successful men hold "fascist" (really views that are not actually fascist and were considered normal before the world wars but have been labeled as fascist) views while not labeling themselves as fascists. That is what I mean. Racial equality is an evolutionary impossibility. If you are smart enough to make a lot of money, have a family, and all of that then you are going to be smart enough to realize that humans are not exempt from evolution and that different "races" (a flawed term I know) did not evolved in different environments and under different environmental pressures.
Blake Phillips
This guy is attractive, don't know what your on about OP.
Carson Russell
>Being a normie is a lot easier than understanding key issues. Cope. If being a normie was so easy, you would already have a gf and a career. You validate this delusion by assuming nobody else but you understands "key issues" and that only your "understanding" is the correct one.
>However, a lot of us wish society revolved around other things like God or tradition for many people, it does. yet they still want to get good educations and earn money.
Robert Lee
Lol well I wanna be successful in life and you can't do that with weird fringe views, especially not rightist ones
Nathan Bennett
I think that's right but i wouldn't compare Antifa to Fascists and unlike Fascism, Communist/Socialist movements are widespread with a large pool of intellectuals and philosophers. Fascism is an ideology that has done nothing but stagnate and erode unlike even older and more archaic ideologies. Say for example there are many religious Sufis, protestants, theologians, there are political republicans, monarchists, socialists, reactionaries, etc, but Fascists are rare and easily ridiculed. Exactly, look at it in complete seriousness would you rather lose your financial and social stability or a failed ideology?
Normies will never OPENLY express views that are outside the overton window. How many normies are here though? How many normies secretly watch rightwing e-celebs? Probably many. I'm not sure I'm a normie, but I know many people who share my views, they just aren't open about it. If someone isn't clearly an enemy, consider them a friend.
>You have to go back no, if Yas Forums can reach out its disfigured and gnarled fingers over to other boards and stain them i can come here all i want.
Every fascist I've ever met irl is relatively successful, married, stable.
Caleb Fisher
>how do you sell a violent, fringe, disruptive autocratic political movement to socially accepted, well-adjusted, normal people, who are living and thriving under the current system.
I'm more of a reactionary or traditionalist than a fascist but fascism is closet to what I'd want than any leftist system or than neoliberalism. I don't believe in "progress" or the equality of man, I hate the purely rationalist and materialist way of thinking and how decadent the modern west is and I value tradition. What is perennial, primordial and universAL will always be superior to some arbitrary, fake morality that is about 200 years old. Pretty much every society throughout history that was worth a shirt embraced heirarchy, struggle, conflict, and knew the importance of tradition and belif in something higher than themselves and the material world.
Christopher Nguyen
Cool painting. Why are some going through motions of intense combat and others just chilling and shit? The juxtaposition intrigues me.
Lincoln Long
Fascism has the same problem as communism: government monopoly on power.
I understand why social outcasts must be sick of our system. Because they feel like corporations, rich families, and the media have too much power. Because true democracy can't really exist, and that can be disillusioning. Because power fantasies are intoxicating.
But your forefathers were right. Freedom is the best way. Spreading the power is the best way. Any government that has full control with eventually be taken advantage of. The Nazis just didn't live long enough.
Landon Reyes
Nothing wrong with pic related he just has acne. I too am a married man to H.S. sweethearr, good dad to our two children, good job (unless this WuFlu fucks us) made 118k last year so wife gets to be a stay at home mother who cooks and cleans etc. And while Ive gotten fatter due to gyms being closed still in good shape. So doing well by all conventional standards. You just have to realize social rejects have the least to lose and thus will be most vocal
Bentley Long
A lot of "fascists" are just abuse victims, judging by what happened to me. As a libertarian, I was called a blackshirt. That went away when I was tilted towards Bonobianism, but came back with a vengeance when I started protecting myself from sexual abuse.
I was never actually a fascist, and since I'm still a compassionate soul, the hardening of my personality and vocabulary is MOSTLY because the people who stalked me refuse to apologize.
My abusers think of me as abusive because I have the mannerisms that I developed to become unsexy to my abusers. -_-
Jonathan Lewis
This dude would easily be an 8, maybe even a 9 if he put on some weight and cured his acne.
Brody Thompson
I think most conservative normies are crypto fascists.
James Wright
>you will learn AHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHH Warfare was a lot slower in that era and most weapons were not as accurate while firing at greater distances. Similar to how one window in a fort would be defended by multiple men who would rotate while the others reloaded this scene depicts French soldiers on the defensive in what appears to be a quiet moment in a battle. The same way today packs of men often hang around one guy blindly firing his AK at distant apartment blocks.
I would describe myself as a Paleocon, but to answer your question >Why is fascism not popular with normies? Because it is currently a legitimately underground counterculture. Think of it as a game of tug 'o' war, the far right may be small - but it's power projection, it's ability to influence the culture war is what matters. Every time the far right does something successful, it pulls the people in the tug 'o' war from the centre, a little bit closer to the right. It pulls the neocons, the libertarians, the classical liberal and boomer types - a bit closer to the new nationalist consensus. We're not popular, we're not in the mainstream and that is fine. Because neither of these things are necessary to shape consensus.
For now, we're social rejects - being a fascist or anything extremist, is on it's own an alienating prospect. You do not fit in, to a democratic multicultural progressive liberal society, if you're a traditionalist or social conservative of any kind. You are by definition a social outcast.
Our movement is young, it is mostly young men. If you're unattractive or unemployed -- I would not be so quick to judge, we don't live in a time where it is currently easy to be employed, coronavirus + foreign workers make competition for even shitty supermarket jobs just a little bit more difficult. This movement is a true, organic, grassroots one, and that is why the left most fears it. Because it is a natural reaction to their politics, and there is nothing they can do to stop it - without renouncing their own beliefs. Therefore, it's a snowballing effect which will continue to attack their fortress of ideology. We're not university educated; and as you employed, because we epitomise a demographic which has not been helped or is not represented by the marxist & liberal elites.
It is, but you can't call it that. Just look at this covid hysteria, people will ask for the boot on their throat. Just don't call it fascism.
Colton Stewart
Vitamin A and proper hygiene is the key
Justin Wilson
The proletariat is mostly dead, the new class is the precariat - and they're characterised by a lack of predictability and security in their lives, in their psychological and material prospects.
Most people today, care little to nothing about class lines -- and do not base their life off these arbitrary divides. The social mobility between the classes is at an all time high, at least in places with free education. A university degree is incredibly accessible to anyone. But now white collar market is oversaturated, and that leaves a large demographic of middle class people cast aside. The economy is a joke, it is now a "services economy" or a gig economy, we do not produce anything of any tangible worth - which we instead now expect China to do, since we outsourced most if not all our manufacturing.
That has left many working class in another picture, but the middle class also fits into this rut. The precariat is essentially the new generations of millennials and gen z & some before them, who are living in another zeitgeist; completely different from what the boomer elite experienced, the powerholders in society are out-of-touch. Because they keep pushing a message which is inevitably fuelling the national populist politics that is the lapdog of the far right, tug 'o' war situation. The culture war is being won by us, but mostly due to the failure of the establishment and environmental factors like the coronavirus. It will just continue in this direction, methinks
>Why is fascism not popular with normies? Because fascism is a loser ideology. Fascism crashed like flaming garbage.
Most people are capitalist which has won so far. People like winners.
Some people are communist but this is more forgivable than fascism since the real communists just decided to stop being communists. Communism did not crash like flaming garbage even if it was a garbage ideology.
Carter Wood
> An ideology that is shunned by the jewish academic zietgiest and western culture has not meaningfully developed.
Yeah, no shit. That's by design. I won't sit here and defend NAZI larpers but obviously there's no room for fascism to self correct and evolvr if it's been actively surpressed since WW2
Cameron Fisher
Let the new guy talk. You know as well as I do that 90% of us started as reddit-lefties.
If he keeps coming back, he'll keep exposing himself to counter arguments. Leftism cannot survive outside its echo chamber
The problem of fascism, is it’s just the inverse of the Control Left. It will make you happy, but it will be intolerable for many.
The best solution is decentralized, true diversity. Let Lefist, urban cities be what they are. They are correct for the people who live there... let conservatives control their own places. If you prefer one social setting to another, you have the option of moving.
The problem now, is the Zoggy need for relentless control of evetyjing, everywhere. They can’t accept any other way of life than the one they are devising. They want to centralize and unify everything, so it’s all manageable for them. It can’t work, because people and peoples are simply different from each other and culture can’t be harmonized into a simple organization.
John Russell
neo-Nazism was invented by the CIA to corral and demonize resistance to the NWO... most neo-Nazi founders were revealed to be active CIA agents via government documents that they HAVE to release. Do these fat weird people who cosplay as National socialists think that people look up to them with hope in their eyes? Pet idiots of the CIA, practically a right-wing Antifa. You can hate jews and mud golems without being a wignat fucktard. They are also cheering on radical feminism by supporting the 'believe women' laws created by the Weinstein lynching
Mason Sullivan
Because they had class and manners.
Asher Russell
Second outfit is fucking fire. What do you even call that? A coat/cape? Finna wear that to work when corona is over.
Samuel Carter
Our founding fathers were basically fucking fascists if you applied the definition retroactively, minus the centralized government
Luke Barnes
Hugo Boss
Julian Rogers
sure thing commie
Dylan Brown
It's not associating with lower life forms that's the problem. It's losing your job and social standing by coming out the fascism closet. Fucking read replies before responding, troglodyte.
