I need feudalism because

For the most part it was like that. If you were unlucky it was only 1 in 3 days off.

the argument for enclosure in england was that peasants were lazy and only produced what they needed, instead of the greatest possible amount of goods that could be marketed

But you don't even have a horse, OP. How will you rule?

It was literally like that. Are you stupid enough to fall for the Florentine myth of the """"dark ages""""?

We have feudalism, you fucking regressives. A few people own all the land and can freely erode the status of labor. Serfdom and hierarchically delineated responsibilities. Our social technology went BACKWARDS.

More people would have horses now than back then. And why would it matter? We wouldn't have a horse based economy.

If we could have capitalism again - a system built on decentralizing control of resources and gaining by serving the public - we'd be much better off.

But restoring capitalism would require egalitarian reforms that are derided as socialist. So we don't get capitalism, we get a much less vibrant system that was so pathetically lacking in vibrance and agility that this virus lockdown is buying us time against climate change.

No, what we have right now has never existed in en-mass before. Willful slavery. Sure there were some people who sold themselves into slavery in the past, but it has never been as widespread as it is now.

an economy built on natural resources and labour would be great but does not necessarily entail feudalism

which egalitarian reforms do you think would restore capitalism

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Feudalism's greatest vitality arose when it was disseminating power more widely - but feudal states splintering into myriad warring duchies achieved a rather unpleasant sort of economic growth. When did feudalism stagnate? When control fell to a few people who were sure everyone else was trash.

Capitalism was extraordinarily vital for a very long time. What was it doing during that time? Distributing wealth and opportunity more widely. Busting old monopolies and challenging old prejudices about who could do what. When did capitalism stagnate? When control fell to a few people who were sure everyone else was trash.

Socialist revolutionary states have flameout vitality. A lot happens early - when the new government is busting expectations and implementing new ways of ordering society. When do socialist states stagnate? When control falls to a few people who are sure everyone else is trash.

Whichever social system you're running, you'll get growth and advancement when the people in charge of it love others and want to find better ways of doing things, even at the risk of causing their own obsolescence.

Yet human social systems have an entropic tendency for shit to float to the top, and eventually they're ruled by bitter people who are sure everyone else is trash.

*I need feudalism because I enjoy being a slave
Ftfy

It's a little hard to give specifics. Despite my exuberance on this topic, my actual specialized knowledge is somewhere else.

Generally, I'm fonder of antitrust than I thought I'd be, and I think we need to be breaking up successful businesses not punitively, but to expose and generalize their tribal knowledges while broadening access to leadership beyond the image-optimized corporate perfects. Since, as empowered and active as they may look, the always-on people who burn out others ARE the bitter people who think everyone is trash which stagnate social systems when they rise "meritocratically" to power.

Hm. The entropic floaters... hyperactive yet bitter... intensely set on pushing others yet tending to slow and clog social progress...

I can see how meritocracy would elevate those, but that makes it seem like meritocracy itself might be economically inefficient. What a trip that would be.

Maybe we need merit in the trenches and love in the leadership.

When society is growing and changing vibrantly, with new positions of small real authority proliferating, I think high-merit individuals may be more content to be "common", since that results in an exalted commons.

When only the top of society can be exalted, and the commons are accepted to be trash, the same "meritorious" people angle their entire lives towards the top. Rather than leading to superb productivity from awesome people leading peons, it results in stagnation as the burnt-out and resentful peons are less willing and able to get anything done. It likely doesn't help that the rejected "merits" still end up cast across society, creating a shrike basket that skewers the peons on cast-off half-merits.

Perhaps the problem is that the highly meritorious people really actually are common, so there's a huge amount of suffering in that competition, and only a comparatively smaller population remains for Getting Shit Done.

I think we need an exalted commons so the common virtues don't rip apart society and curdle into hateful rulers.

how would you feel about a market based solution like a sliding scale of corporation tax - like income tax brackets?
how do you feel about:
>land value tax
>co-operative ownership of natural monopolies
>wealth redistribution

what do you mean by an exalted commons

There are other things than wealth in this world user

Only if you bring back the regency with it

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How in the ever living fuck do you base an economy on labor?

Ask Hitler

A dignified public and concomitant culture. Respect for people who "don't deserve" it.

Ala socialist realism in Russia, or various decliningly dignified epochs in America. I don't think it's coincidental that uber-wealthy America has gone through multiple periods of exalted commons. People sometimes miss the degree to which America's patriotism is authentically artistic as points, too.

Religions almost always exalt the commons in various ways as well.

Tch. I could do it better than Hitler did. I have ideas for reshaping the world that require every last scrap of manual labor available... shame I'm nowhere near power, hah.

that's just communism lol

a labor theory of value, if you will

holy shit pol is becoming communist

It just gets better the further back you go. Technology doesn't make your life easier it just makes it faster. You're still working all day, just with increasingly less meaning and reward.

True.

In feudal societies, everyone has a place and is responsible for it. All sectors of society have mastery over something or another and are respected for it. Peasants farm the land. Nobles provide leadership. Priests tend to spiritual/intellectual matters. Burghers trade and do their best not to introduce communism. Everyone's generally happy because they live for life and get to constantly have religious festivals.

Feudalism is the natural order. Anyone who says otherwise is a lying globalist asshole.

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5-day 9 to 5 workdays came with factories. Yes, standards of living have increased, but at what cost.

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Money also existed during feudalism

Beautiful. Our women are the best.

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The majority of people were illiterate, couldn't afford paper, and their opinions were generally disregarded until one of the peasant revolts that happened every 50 years or so in Europe ripped their lords a new asshole to express their dissatisfaction. It's not like a fucking priest or scholar was going to waste time asking what the laity thought about being serfs. So just because you're viewing the past through not only rose tinted goggles but also historical records written or funded exclusively by the ruling class, doesn't mean the average person was happier. They were miserable, and the rate of revolts shows that.

Weird choice for pic considering that Prussia / German Empire were Absolutist and not feudal.

Locking people into castes is why India is a hellhole and why millions of Europeans left for the New World between 1492 and 1950. Just because your father is a great smith, king, farmer, doesn't mean you will be. The gradual adoption of meritocracy among Whites is why the West broke its chains and became the dominant region of the world.

Horse based economy is closer than you think.

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And yet today meritocracy doesn't exist at all, replaced by just giving jobs to brown people because they're cheaper to hire and can be replaced when they fail.

Meritocracy doesn't exist in any large organization. We still have it on some level. It just rises and topples shit organizations every once in while. Like every company that placed resources in diversity instead of actual progress.

Being litterate doesnt make you smart, most people are dumber than rock while being litterate and dont even use their ability to read.
And actualy in the middle age if you wanted to read, you just have to join a monastery, whatever your wealth, monks would teach you to read.

My country is in forever revolt, more than during the middle ages, you are just good goys nicely tamed.
The biggest french revolt was the frond, a revolt against an exeptional 20%tax kek, we are now taxed at 60%.

Thank you for the bread fren, Neo Feudalist here.
I can't believe you called being free a brainlet idea.
Here's the rundown, Neo Feudalism is the closest thing to one: ethnostate and a true free economy.
Let me explain, there's a need for men to take back their land from Oligarchs, this can be achieved with the systematic adquisition of land. by new buyers/owners.
Cities are too overcrowed, with this late pandemic we can understand how foolish it is to live among so many.
Education and Culture are rooten and corrupted to the core, we must allow new settlers to have the opportunity to rewrite traditions, start new ones, let their kids grow in a natural environment.
Is one of the few ways to slow down AI and job replacement, because you and your family are the tools you need and in the future your kids will keep things going.
You can literally buy acres and acres of land with a few dozen of thousands of dollars, what else can you buy in the real state market with less than a houndred thousand? Nothing, it's cheaper, it feeds you, gives you the opportunity to build more houses for a bigger family, it's a real future not a fake one in some hole in a city.
Families will stay togheter because she's not on Starbuck every morning thotting around "with the girls" talking about other men, females will return to the basics of family building and home care.
Men will have other benefits, like doing hand labour, will makes you stronger and healty, less smoking and drinking because there's no bosses bitching, no never ending piles of payments and bills, no neverending shouting matches with your wife because there's always never enough money.
No college debt because your kids don't need to go to college or school, your wife can teach them plenty and when it comes to practical knowledge it comes to fathers to teach their sons.
Much easier to keep en eye on degenerates in smaller communities, and easier to expell them, since you can set up town halls.

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>slows down AI
among YOUR people. Others will continue improving it though, until they have an automated bonanza economy worth a thousand times what yours is and can enslave you.

made for greek cock

So its the current system but everyone is white and with more holiday's and stable families. Hmm

According to the map, the average erect penis size in Greece is 12,20cm

OH NONONON HAHAHA

feudalism fell apart after the plague where the supply of cheap labour greatly decreased. this and peasant revolts led to peasants moving to cities in search of better value for their labour, or inheriting good land that you can work on your own due to sudden abundance of it

was thinking about this yesterday. Seems almost a sure thing that they will forbid movement from your immediate area soo, regional borders a check points etc and will criminalize leaving your "zone". Another user said it will be your postcode for starters.

It's some thing to do with stopping pollution climate change etc, the same demented leftists who wanted worldwide revolution to save the planet, and the same leftoids who are using the pandemic to push through the social order they want/believe/worship.

In short, we will be like serfs, indentured to the land. They will be allowed to move freely of course, because they will be the new elites. The same kind of psychotic glasses wearing zealots like trotsky that killed tens of millions.

>muh gdp

what if i told you a 3% tax in the US during the civil war almost led to a revolt? they could only pass it after enshrining it to be only a temporary war-time tax. how far we've fallen

Eventually yes. But what I advocate for in the end is self-sufficiency in small settlement kinda scenario.
If we're going to acknoledge the ultimate form of techological societies, we should just give up, because in the end machines could easily ensalve us all.
I don't care about that right know for two reasons, first I don't believe we're there yet and two, because societies and people can self correct in order to avoid certain outcomes.
I care more for example, to increase the white bithrates, for our people to buy back their countries and take control away from the Elites.
Sure, we will have to pay taxes and stuff, buy is way less than renting for the rest of your life, way less than paying 21 years of college debt.
When it comes to prices, the same thing, you're outside of the system, you don't have to deal with inflation, recession, depression, etc...
This is a huge advantage, but of course people have to work hard for it, and you will need to "pass down" the mantle for other to keep it up, but remember that this is the end of the Empire, just like in Rome, the natural course of action has been always like this:
EMPIRE FALLS>PEOPLE MOVE OUT>SELF SUFFICIENT SOCIETIES EMERGES>BARTER INSTEAD OF TRADE>CITY STATES FORM>DEFENSE IS NEEDED>TAXES ARE NEEDED FOR DEFENSE>TAXES ARE ALSO NEEDED NOW TO IMPROVE ROADS AND PORTS>BLAHBLAHBLAH

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This page is full of retards who want to switch out one oppressive beast system for another.
And, feudalism is what we are heading for now, so I guess you will see your dream come true, user:
No one owns shit and gets exactly what they need to survive, but no more, through wages and/or government. Most people will be renting pods and they will never be able to afford any property of their own. Everyone will be using rideshares, etc., because no one can afford a car of their own...
Have fun, serf

These.
A spiritual leap is needed. Then all the real principals of freedom can be achieved and maintained.

ah yes, then I think we agree

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f-fake n-news

the West needs to rediscover social solidarity if it is to become great again

This is true. Sadly, we have suffered collective brainwashing, telling us the opposite (leaders and willful surrender of rights and freedoms is necessary to achieve "freedom"), since forever.
The Romans who created Christianity even added the into the bible, which was the whole foundation of feudalism (divine right)

also no gays, trannies or jewish technology
decisions, decisions

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Dumb. Everyone but rootless cosmopolitans are happy under feudal systems.

Yes. This is at the heart of the American founding generation's idea of popular sovereignty, an involved, empowered, spiritual people.

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Right, unlike what's happening in America right now

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at anytime the west was great, it had nothing to do with social solidarity.
awful reddit tier comment.

Being called dumb by someone who can write something as retarded as this, is a compliment.
Thank you user

Hi user, it was not possible to make dresses like that in the middle ages