Universal Basic Income Debate

government, shareholders, landlords need their cut

Societal collapse, being slaves at the mercy of the (((gub'ment))) and it's practically the normalization of enslaving the very few people who would still work (and pay a shitload in taxes).
I'm not even considering absurd debt, hyperinflation, ...

At most some hybrid solutions, but the government was designed to be shit so you don't have too much of a choice. Anything it puts its filthy hands on will be turned into shit.

if we need a UBI to keep people afloat, we need to purge the population. planet has finite resources and you can't spend them on people who contribute nothing. yeah, i'm on the Gates train

I support it, I just don't support socialism or communism.

Remove property tax too while we're at it
All these idiots in Cities wonder why their taxes are so high, yet they all push for UBI, Medicare for all, and further restrictions on businesses

Let's say you currently pay $1000 rent per month. The reason that is the price is because your landlord has gauged it to be the optimal price to get the most profit from the best tenants. If there were more good tenants available, they'd set the price higher. If there were more good apartments available, the price would be lower in order to compete.

Now imagine the government is sending every adult a free $1000 check each month. Your landlord will look around and see that a bunch of other people also can now pay the same rent you do, and thus he can raise the price. If you don't agree to paying $1500 a month, someone else will.

You might be thinking "oh well then the government should step in and make sure that your landlord doesn't raise the rent!" That's governmental price control, and this is how it starts.

Now imagine the exact same situation is applied to literally everything you spend money on.

This is why socialist policies are guaranteed to cause massive inflation, and why they have literally every single time they've been implemented.

Landie here

I'm about to get coronabux in addition to the rent I receive.

I pay no taxes.

UBI would just increase my income even more.

If jews, psychopaths and sociopaths got purged and people stopped being retarded, the technology, organizational and economical progress without those deadweights could change the way people work a lot.
Similar to what happened when (((nobility))) and (((church))) lost some power under the controlled opposition of the modern pseudo-rational age.

This guy gets it
We are doomed if people like Bernie actually get elected in the future
We are even more fucked that people actually buy it

>I pay no taxes.
>flag

We should do what Japan does and force these people to work for their welfare, but then WHOS GUNNA TAKE CARE OF MAH KEEEEEEEIDS

well shit! I just want to be able to go back to school without going homeless.

The government can also rise the gibs to get votes, control certain prices discreetly like it already does with energy and other basic services to "press" people into poverty and all sorts of jewish tricks.

UBI is socialism... IQ check?

It needs to be tied to some economic derivative like the Wu-Xia shadow rate

>has to be enough money to not be worthless
>can't be so much money that everyone becomes a NEET
>money has to come from somewhere, so the average person needs to not only work, but pay enough in taxes on non-ubi employment income to pay for at least 1 person

I am not agaist the concept but I have yet to see any of these retards that clamour for it actually propose a viable model. "Gibs me dat" is not a viable model.

More like it pays you enough for half your bills so the jews can keep inflating stonks and real estate.

It will never work my guy
Never.
Goes against basic human behavior
What do you value more
Something that is just given to you because you exist? Or something that you work your ass off for?

It goes beyond the cliche argument of "human behavior" if you read the other non-jewish replies.

>So why should we or should we not implement universal basic income?
don't do that because it sounds communist and America is a capitalist nation, what you do is create a public dividend that citizens get from shared corporate use of the commons, like Alaska does with their oil reserves but more comprehensive

Not to mention that ignores inflation, so you get less and less purchasing power as time goes on

Georgism. Read Henry George's book Progress and Poverty.

1. Explain why you believe you deserve income for existing.

2. Explain why you believe the government exists to take care of you (aka give you "free" money).

Creating a capitalist hellscape guarantees a communist reaction.
Were communists intelligent, they'd push for exactly this.

Obviously, but it is also a factor.
The same reason communism will never work. We as humans look to make things easy, we look to game the system. If you play by the rules, you're a moron.
Hence why UBI would never work, why strive for success when the Government already guarantees a certain level of income, which is not earned.

>They should make it so you have to work a set of hours like 30, be on unemployment or in school to qualify.
Then it’s not UBI which is unconditional by definition

>IQ check?
just check the flag. it is easier that way. the island nigger is nogging

What are income tax brackets and exemption?

At very least raise minimum wage to $20 dollarydoos. We do need people to do the shit jobs in society, yet not be so close to being on the street.

>They should make it so you have to work a set of hours like 30, be on unemployment or in school to qualify.

So everyone but children not in school get it or what are you saying? School also as in college?

The only problem with UBI is that there would be a transition period in which many people would fuck off to cheap countries and live like kings.

The is the frightening truth of the matter. The only praxis is acceleration towards communism as a reaction to unrestricted capitalism.

because it will, quickly, only be enough to survive, but not actually live.

>At very least raise minimum wage to $20 dollarydoos.
Why do you think it's the government's duty to mandate how much you get paid per hour by your employer?

>We do need people to do the shit jobs in society,
Why do you think a job is "shit" just because you don't like it?

>Why do you think a job is "shit" just because you don't like it?

Because they are useless

Look at what any woman in middle management is doing.

Fucking track their work day.

Livable wage is a misnomer, it is straight fucking communism
Immigrants working at McDonalds should not be getting paid as much as School Teachers.
Unless you want hyper inflation and a communist economy, that is.

>Because they are useless
Funny coming from a Brazilian. There are no useless jobs. If they were useless, the company would get rid of them.

How would an immigrant even receive UBI?

If he's a permanent resident he isn't an immigrant anymore you clown.

checked and agreed

Imagine being this deluded.

Landlords get their money from taxes in the US?
That's odd, here landlords have to pay half their takings to the IRS.

>Imagine being this deluded.
Not an argument.

First step is get rid of illegals. The minimum wage is whatever they will take.

You're a retard
Immigrants come here to make money then send them to their home country retard
Also, ever heard of anchor children?
the system is being abused by chad immigrants who know the US globalists have an agenda and give them incentive to follow it

>UNIVERSAL
>but lemme tell you 10 requirements and filings you have to do every year and the gubmint will monitor and axe you questions every tuesday

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The majority of people have a slave mentality and prefer security over freedom, won't happen.

yeah im sure if I read about the trendy theories of the week from Lenin's library it will disprove that UBI is socialism

Sad truth, people won't understand how dangerous all this shit is until it is too late.

50% of all jobs are redundant because of people doing the same job for different power systems and another 40% of all jobs have no use at all. Most people are glorified welfare recipients.
The world could be made into a utopia with no more than 15% of the work hours put in at the moment.

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Gonna need some examples for that buddy

Their real job is fucking the boss.

Still not an argument.

>50% of all jobs are redundant because of people doing the same job for different power systems and another 40% of all jobs have no use at all. Most people are glorified welfare recipients.
>The world could be made into a utopia with no more than 15% of the work hours put in at the moment.
Sounds like baseless personal opinion to me.

Yeah, what you just said is obvious.

But your government is the one accepting it.

So what's your point?

Sure cuck.

I have a whore with a business idea for you.

China has it right. Welfare in case shit happens, organ harvesting if you can't be fixed.

1. Because our money is fucking worthless either way at this point.
2. Because we're raised as cattle for votes and to consume.

>Sure cuck.
>I have a whore with a business idea for you.
All you have are insults. You have no logic or reason.

UBI can actually be used by the elites as a tool for control in the midterm future.

Considering that inequality can keep increasing as long as liquidity remains concentrated in banks (that, for all intents and purposes, only really lend liquid assets back to already rich people), we might be looking into a situation where even paying literally everyone a small amount will not hit any big player's pocket too hard. It might be feasible for them to simply start delivering money that will get transferred back to them anyway, neo feudalism style, just to keep things going smoothly and keep their heads above their necks.

People usually think of UBI as a means of liberation but, if used correctly, it's the biggest puppet string we ever had.

But at almost every point the free market has been given the opportunity to fix a situation its failed miserably.

Why aren't charities already solving the problems? I'll wait.

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>1. Because our money is fucking worthless either way at this point.
That doesn't justify you getting something that you didn't earn.

>2. Because we're raised as cattle for votes and to consume.
That doesn't justify the government existing just to take care of you.

Your argument is essentially "the system is broken so fucking pay me because I'm a selfish, greedy loser." instead of saying "the system is broken so I'll fix it."

Universal basic income giveth, universal basic inflation taketh away. Literally whatever money you give to everyone will be immediately deflated into nothing as prices just rise to meet everyone's new income/demand level.

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The nihilism is strong with these fags