What are Christian arguments that one would use to attempt to convert a pagan? No calling them larpers or anything like that, I want actual arguments. The only arguments I ever see a Christian make are against atheists and against other Abrahamic monotheists. Here though you do not have to convince a pagan of the possibility of a deity (eliminating most anti-atheist arguments), but you also cannot use the agreement in the Abrahamic God to put forth arguments about prophecy and whatnot (eliminating most anti-Islam and anti-Judaism arguments). So it seems to me like none of the normal arguments apply nor would be successful. Therefore, how would you logically convince a pagan who genuinely believes in his Gods that yours is the one and only God?
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Well I’ll tell you for sure that spouting out scripture like most Christians do definitely won’t do it.
In fact I’d say nothing would do it for me personally. I was raised as Christian, went to a Christian school, I spent my whole life surrounded by it and actively chose to leave it behind.
The only way I could revert is to ‘unlearn’ things.
Christianity is a slave system imposed onto the masses by the Jews, it takes parts of every other religion and has no inherent truth in it. Nothing will change my mind on that.
Not sure what D&C means and haven't been to Yas Forums in a while so haven't seen what you're talking about.in regards to recent threads.
It means divide and conquer which is true for most Christian Vs. Pagan thread. You didn’t seem to be intentionally confrontational so I answer honestly, though I will say that attempting to convert people is typical of Christian arrogance. It’s why Christianity will always be a globohomo religion too, you fuckers just won’t rest until every last jungle man believes he was born a ‘sinner’.
Conversion usually targets the vulnerable; people who are isolated, handicapped or down on their luck are the usual choices.
People who are comfortable, happy and stable are remarkably difficult to convince of anything other than their own pre-formed world-view.
Look at the congregtion of any inner-city church if you don't believe me;
Cripples, addicts, single mothers, jailbirds.
Anyway, why not go try convert some Muslims instead?
Or are you afraid they'd cut off your head?
What's more, does not said probability that they'd cut off your head mean they are more in need of conversion?
Auspices of Wotan; prudence and bravery un to you.
Yeah that's the thing. I have never actually seen a real argument against paganism. Only re-hashes of otehr ones that don't even apply to pagans. I legitimately want to hear any argument I can on this because I find it fascinating that just going "well yeah I acknowledge the existence of a God, multiple of them actually" completely breaks every Christian argument I have ever seen.
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A long time ago I think I might have committed the unforgivable sin. I was so stressed out about the afterlife and going to hell that I prayed to God and said "I understand that you're real, but I don't want to care anymore. Please make me not care anymore." and so, I stopped caring. It took a pandemic to make me care again, and I care now more than ever. I'm so scared but I think I've committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
What should I do? Am I doomed?
I had some Christians at my door the other day. My one question to him was ‘what makes you think the bible is divine in origin?’ He told me he would come back later with an answer.
Christians often call us larpers or say our beliefs were lost to history, but without definitive proof of the bible being the word of god you are really just doing the same thing. It’s a translation of a translation of a censored translation.
I think the gods guide us in our hearts without the need for a book of rules.
I hope he comes back and actually gives you one, but that would mean introspection so very unlikely.
Doesn’t that seem nonsensical to you?
You can act however you like but so long as you have faith and are willing to admit your faults you won’t be punished?
The way I understand it is that your god will forgive you.
You're not doomed; the unforgivable sin refers to a continuous rejection of God. If you're worried about it then God must've saved you from this sin
Being doomed implies you have already made up your mind that Hell is real and you need Jesus to not go there, as well as that there are things Jesus cannot even forgive. According to Christian theology, that simply is not the case.
And the possibility of miracles disproves paganism how? I am perfectly willing to believe that Jesus was a local God or more likely Demi-God. This does not in any way prove monotheism.
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atheist here, can you give me a selfie of them? thx
Pagan "gods" are the nephilim from Genesis 6.1-4.
Come home pagan and worship the real God and not one of his subordinates gone mad.
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Any argument for why what you proport is true? You cannot just presuppose you are correct.
What do you mean by "selfie of them"?
Either way the true enemy is the jews.
Kick them out and then we can have a discussion.
you know like a picture
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we ve been able to see higgs bosons so dont give me the "he s elusive crap", if he is real you cant take a picture of him
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Well that's easier said than done. And I completely believe that Pagans and Christians should work together for the time being against our common enemies.The problem is that Christians who are serious about their faith often refuse to work with Pagans or attempt to convert them. I'm just interested to know their arguments.
Oh well I'm not interested in debating an atheist. That's another can of worms entirely and frankly not one I am qualified to debate. There are people much more experienced than me who may be interested in answering you.
Why convince? Finland was converted to christianity with the power of violence and it worked pretty well.
Back in the day they used physical violence but I suppose in modern world even social and economical sanctions for non-believers would work. Keep it up for 30-40 years and people will get used to it.
I'm opposed to this idea by the way but I believe it would be the most effective way of doing it.
Well as a Pagan I am obviously against that. I know that works, but I feel like that is beneath us whites. And either way the people you are trying to convert are fellow Europeans mostly who have similar value systems against forced/coerced conversions. So that isn't really going to fly.
Well that worked out fantastically didn't it? Apart from the Laestadians, nobody is really Christian, and the language and culture is filled to the brim with pagan leftovers, which if you know what they are really stick out because of how different the Old Belief was.
>Oh well I'm not interested in debating an atheist.
of course you'd lose
you are objectively wrong
>Well that worked out fantastically didn't it? >Apart from the Laestadians, nobody is really Christian, and the language and culture is filled to the brim with pagan leftovers
well the church leaders lined their pockets with gold and it was the only plan all along, why are you complaining
it did word out fantastically
finns are enslaved, goyim and their culture are destroyed, jews win, the end
We should not work together because we are opposites. Paganism believes you are the same as your ancestors and your children, that is why racial purity is so important and that is why we are not afraid of death. While christians on the other hand are all about converting people, does not matter how weak or degenerate, they keep mutting themselves because "we are all humans, all same". And the Gods are myths to explain nature, literaly believing in a magic man is absolute retardness.
The ancient Gods follow similar patterns across the globe:
Thor = slavic Pjorun etc.
Also most pagan gods lived and behaved very much like humans but were still subject to a higher power (like Odin in the Edda).
In Ragnarok some of them even died.
Gilgamesh in his epic meets half gods that survived the flood, thus linking bible story and pagan epics.
The nephilim in the Bible are very weird and most scholars choose to ignore them. There is the few odd one with the ancient alien hypothesis but imo that just shifts the blame and supernatural proof further back instead of debunking any kind of religion.
I am reading up on the topic rn.
Also the Catholic church (in contrast to some prots) never denied the existence of demons and evil spirits and even maintained that they were the inspiration behind some pagan rites.
Pagan gods being nephilim would streamline a lot of lore.
>most pagan gods lived and behaved very much like humans but were still subject to a higher power (like Odin in the Edda).
Well not even a God can disobey the fundamental laws of the universe such as fate. They are not and do not claim to be all-powerful.
>Gilgamesh in his epic meets half gods that survived the flood, thus linking bible story and pagan epics.
Almost every single religion on Earth has a flood story. What is to say that yours is not a corruption of mine rather than the other way around?
>What is to say that yours is not a corruption of mine rather than the other way around?
because gilgamesh is older by milenia than the bible and the bible is clearly a rip off you moronic jew worshipper?
We need to work together in some way to protect Europe. Yeah, Christianity teaches that you need to mutt yourself, but the fact is that many Christians are white nationalists and want to protect Europe. It is better to work with them in the short term to kick the kikes and shitskins out before there is no more white race to defend.
>And the Gods are myths to explain nature, literaly believing in a magic man is absolute retardness.
So you're just an atheist larping as a pagan then.
True paganism is NOT literal worship of Gods such as Odin and Jupiter. True paganism is the worship of nature.
ummmmmmmmmmmm I'm literally agreeing with you. Read the fucking thread before you post retard.
>Read the fucking thread
fuck this lol I m not wasting my time reading what low iq schizos are arguying about in a religion thread, why on earth would I do that
I would say that's more shamanism or animism, which some people do call forms of paganism. But in English it almost always means the worship of pre-christian European and near east deities.
Well then dont fuckin post mohammad
He isn't a minor god. If you dig deep you will find evil elites worshiping Satan and your so called gods and they are together trying destroy Jesus.
1. Proof?
And if you do manage to provide proof, 2. How the fuck does some retard cult prove that there is one God and that his only son is Jesus?
or what faggot lol
oh so you do admit to be a shitskin lol
Wow Georgia is based
Jesus was a human being
Reality is a galactic play of energies, cyvles and fate and the characters are placeholders for what can't be materially described. I can't see at all how you mistake that for atheism.
You should watch some of the Bill Cooper playlist on yt.
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D you consider the night as being a useful period of rest ? Do you consider cold to be a pleasant contrast to heat ? Could you value happiness without sadness as a measure ? Is up as good as down ?
To remove one side of the equation would destroy everything. Without Satan to balance the equation, to be a catalyst, to force a reaction, God would accomplish noting and be inert.
Vice versa is also true, we live in a negative/positive reality, to see either side [triumph] and no longer interact, would mean the stagnant heat death of the universe.
How fucking stupid are you to see such a thing as victory ?
How fucking stupid was Jesus ?
I'm not one for conspiracy theories and from listening to just the first 10 minutes of this I can already tell you thats what this is. I'm not listening to 30 hours of conspiratorial bullshit which takes as a presupposition that one believes in satan. There very well may be a cabaal of devil worshiping elites, but that has nothing to do with me or my faith and does not sway me to abandon it. I want logical arguments, not a 40 part series on why the elites worship baal and moloch.
>What are Christian arguments that one would use to attempt to convert a pagan?
Same as for atheists, sine that's literally what they are
I for one am not an atheist and while I will admit there are a lot of atheists who like to pretend to be pagan to be edgy, that's not what I'm talking about here. I mean theistic paganism.
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Jesus existed without Satan for a bit at least. He created him, dumbfuck.
Research on Yas Forums then. Why would all these demons and fake gods all go fight Jesus? How did did not lose? Even when he died?
You can't.
Most of us have already been on the journey.
You realize most of us were Christian at some point right?
It isn't like our fucking parents raised us to be interested in paganism.
At some point we felt dissatisfied with the Christian story and consciously decided to reject it.
You can't "logically convince" anyone to be a Christian, dumb fuck. They either accept it on faith or are forced to convert under threat of violence. That's how your religion propagated.
>Why would all these demons and fake gods all go fight Jesus? How did did not lose? Even when he died?
Because none of that is true? You're just saying it is.
>pagan
I won’t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said
In the future it will just be you & your relationship with God. However you get their & establish it.
Divide & conquer tactics cannot stand in the way.
I do believe that and am not ashamed of it.