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am willing to answer any questions of "proof"
only assholes debate and defend faith
btw, Catholics only, pr*testants need not apply.
any questions?
why bitter?
all people, most especially those who follow and those who wish to
dont push divisions
BTW
why pray to beings other than God and worship paintings?
No im pointing out we use the word faith because its not to be defended or debated
based
>its not to be defended
......
uh
i.... wat?
everything apostles did after going forth into the whole earth kid of disagrees every time they faced opposition, no?
Reminder that you worship a jew
also Foxe's Book of Martyrs begs to differ as the any plausible legitimacy of the old mother church
>this is what protestants actually believe
Pray to the Saints for intervention to the divine on your behalf.
Meanwhile, it's not worth asking protestants what they believe, because there's no reason or authority for what they believe.
Yes, Christ was of the Hebrews, specifically of the tribe of Judah
and?
in other revelations
up is opposite from down
night is dark
fire is hot
news at 11:00
>Pray to the Saints for intervention to the divine on your behalf.
prayer is a manner of worship
commandments alone prohibit in the absolute
euphemisms will not save you
no more than shall they save women who call the unborn other than human to try to justify infanticide
to say nothing of NO precedent in the Bible for any ANY supplication or exhorting of unseen beings other than the almighty
>because there's no reason or authority for what they believe.
>Christ is baseless
ok bud
Anyone who cares about himself and those around him refuses to worship a foreign Middle Eastern god. Of course, you’re a rootless mutt, so you worshipping a foreign god isn’t really surprising
glad we could clear up something the Word makes unequivocally crystal clear hundreds of times over as being actually a real genuine fact
>Middle Eastern god.
sovereign of the universe
>. Of course, you’re a rootless mutt,
try relaxing and speaking like a grown up
>so you worshipping a foreign god isn’t really surprising
bitter as hell
Cringe
>Christ is baseless
That's you who says that. Because you can say whatever you want with no peer review. Letting people interpret the Bible for themselves has been the worst mistake any religion has ever done.
Non Christian here. I got some questions.
First off I don’t hate Christianity, so just take that out of your head now.
My biggest concern that I’m having is not so much Christianity, but Christians themselves. I’ve read the sermon on the mount and Christians are pretty terrible on following what was said. More so, Why are so many Christians attached to the worldly? And yes I lump up man made government and their parties as part of that Worldly. Do Christians not read Paul’s letters? It’s clear as day.
It’s the vanity, greed, and utter attachment to the worldly that I see with Christians that just makes me sick to my stomach. That’s why I just read the Bible in private and try to stay away from this nonsense. I’m just utterly grossed out with most Christians but I love reading my bible. I honest to God don’t even want to talk to Christians about their faith because their actions and words smoke and mirrors. Fake.
And I know don’t judge. And I don’t. Which is why I’m on this anonymous board because I wouldn’t say this to their face because one: I don’t want to argue and hear their justifications and two: I’d rather read the Bible than listen to their shit dribble. They sound like empty words when they speak.
Just my thoughts. I have more issues such as praying in public and how selfish and narrow prayers can sound. Half the time the pray sounds not like worship or thanks but as a silly act or performance to make all the other people listening to them feel like they are a good person.
In a weird way, Christians push me closer to God not because they are good, but because they are so full of shit.
nah
its their prerogative
So according to Christians, the Great Flood happened in the middle of the Bronze Age.....that doesn't really make sense
>sovereign of the universe
No, sorry, no jew can ever be a sovereign of any kind whatsoever, and that fact that you consider the god of the jews your master shows that you’re literally a kike slave. You’re the prototypical good goy.
>That's you who says that.
NO U!
for heavens sake get serious
happy to help lets get started thank you for your interest
why? Whats the point? Theres no fucking way you have evidence of magic, and thats really all your mumbo jumbo is in aid of, the claim that there were magic people that did magic things.
Any retard knows thats the sign of a scam.
Why elevate a hebrew sandcult above the rest of the scams?
See, thats where you already fucked up, because faith itself is epistemelogically unreliable.
This thread is a waste of time and space.
Fuck off with your sandpeople cult, its current year and pics or it didn't fucking happen.
why don't you take that just one step further up the chain and apply it to every single one of the lying ass priests you kowtow to?
Pretending to speak for god is the sham of religion.
Magic isn't real, grow up, you spaz.
If you need proof it ain’t Faith your looking for.
“It ain’t bragging if you can do it.”
>I’ve read the sermon on the mount and Christians are pretty terrible on following what was said
the world is yet full dominion of the dark one
true Christians are very very rare
for every THING that is actually Christian, you wlll find maybe 2500-5000 THINGS that have the word attached but arent genuine, rather counterfeits, which is all that satan does of ALL the Lord ever does (satan thus counterfeits)
> Why are so many Christians attached to the worldly?
because the way to hell is wide and obvious and easy, the way to paradise is narrow and hidden and difficult
>And yes I lump up man made government and their parties as part of that Worldly. Do Christians not read Paul’s letters? It’s clear as day.
because they have yet chosen death and not life, they do not have the spirit within them, they hold yet to their own will and have no surrendered to Christ's (the Father's)
Jesus was a Prophet sent by God. Jews rused you into believing he was God in flesh.
>That’s why I just read the Bible in private and try to stay away from this nonsense
find true Christians
hard to find
I can tell you exactly where if you wish
i mean it
but only if you are truly ready
> I’m just utterly grossed out with most Christians but I love reading my bible. I honest to God don’t even want to talk to Christians about their faith because their actions and words smoke and mirrors. Fake.
when you accept and are filled with the spirit of Christ, i.e. the Holy Spirit then all you feel is no more bitter spiteful animosity to the anyone, only pity sadness despair and fear for their souls and a nigh unquenchable urge and impetus to do anything to save them
>And I know don’t judge. And I don’t.
yes, youre actually right
you feel disgust and anger but you are condemning, very true
top marks there, no joke
Grown ass men who choose to believe in an imaginary friend who grants wishes and thinks death is fake.
Well thank you for the reply. I didn’t expect someone to agree with what I wrote. I’m in agreement with your replies to my questions. I kinda already felt like I knew the answers to my own questions, however I didn’t expect someone to answer them as honestly as you did. I appreciate that, thank you.
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Is he telling the truth? Were there really 2 different sets of commandments?
>I don’t want to argue and hear their justifications and two: I’d rather read the Bible than listen to their shit dribble. They sound like empty words when they speak.
first you need to exercize you god given power of will and shed your spite and bitterness and CONDESCENSION
by sheer will you can
THEN try genuinely turning to God
>They sound like empty words when they speak.
yes they do
> I have more issues such as praying in public and how selfish and narrow prayers can sound
if a true Christian prays in public the fact it is in public is incidental
you need to hear a true Christian pray
not the televangelist send me money more more prosperity mega Church theater feel good hedonistic "christianity'
>In a weird way, Christians push me closer to God not because they are good, but because they are so full of shit.
wrong
you arent getting closer to God at all with all of the dark baggage, dont doubt me
you know its true
you have to let go of the dark things to hope to find Christ
nope
something, some unfathomable facts are needed to reconcile, we dont have them yet
Dividing Christians is doing the Devil's work.
>2020 years ago a subvertive kike got kiked by other kikes and put on a stick to die.
>brainlets all over the world to this day STILL worship this jew
not the thread for you
>Jews rused you into believing he was God in flesh.
some did, and they were right
your feelings regarding "christians" are the best and most reasonable and predictable and understandable of someone who unfortunately is not a christian himself/herself at all
nope
That's why protestants are such a danger to the faith. They took the one true established church and they ruined it, splintered it into thousands of brands and offshoots without any reason or authority.
(((mods))) will probably 404 this thread
why does this happen?
gnosticism
it is equivalent in insidiousness and brilliance and potency of soul-venom-cancer as a "faith" system, as is pornography that same for the physical mind and body
unspeakable evil
simply unspeakable, we dont have words
behold what the greatest apostle has to say in no uncertain terms about that crap:
"7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work."
You’re probably a spic so your brand of Catholicism is rooted in gay ass Aztec paganism bullshit so fuck off.
they took the one true established church and they ruined it
yeah, the 95 theses were nonsense and Foxe's Book of Martyrs was fiction
the fruits of the catholic church have been nothing but the blackest hell on earth and cast darkness over the whole world for 1000 years during its hay day
Catholics have never been Christians. The Catholic Church was started by literal Gnostics (Arians) in the 4th century, Eusebius of Caesarea and Emperor Constantine. Romans 4:5-6, Roman 6:1-2, and Acts 16:30-31 are just a few verses that definitively prove that Catholicism is not of Christ.
By the way, the Septuagint was finished in 200 AD in Origen's Hexapla and was begun by Gnostic Jews of Alexandria, especially Philo the Jew. The Apocryphal books (Catholicism has 7, Orthodox have 14) derive from this Gnostic kike document, including the extremely ahistorical pro-kike book "JEWdith." Mark never quotes from the Septuagint in his Gospel Account, rather Origen plagiarized the NT for his Hexapla.
The Quran says Muslims should worship the same god as Christians worship: Jesus Christ (S. 29:46).
because the world yet belongs to satan and people flock to him as he serves above all else immediacy of gratification, no matter suffering stored up for later
be nice
but yes there is much.... syncretism that is absurd
2 Corinthians 4:4 King James Version (KJV)
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
separate from gnostics
but yes true, never were actual Christians
just sugar coated pagans, yes
>The Quran says Muslims should worship the same god as Christians worship
the god of the quran is a devil or figment of the devil
nothing more
Remember kids.
1. The "synagogue of satan" trope is retarded replacement theology, it's actually referring to anti-zionist Christians who claim they're Israel (Romans 11:1,2,) (Ezekiel 20:34)
2. God is not finished with the Jews yet, god has blessed the physical nation state (Zech 12:6-9)
3. Claiming that Jews are actually Khazars is based on Arthur Koestlers debunked book
4. Jews are just smarter that's why they disproportionately represent the media and academia
5. "palestinians" were already disposessed Arabs with ancestral ties to surrounding Arab countries, such as Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. In fact, those same Arabs were invited to become Israeli citizens if they so chose, and many did. By contrast, over one million Jewish citizens in surrounding Arab states were forcibly expelled and their possessions confiscated as an act of retribution for the founding of the modern Jewish state, which the Arab nations perceived as an act of war against them. Proof of this is in the numbers. More than 20% of the population in Israel today is made up of Arabs. How many Arab states have even a 1% Jewish population? The charge that Israel is an apartheid state is sheer propaganda.
There is no proof, it is a very private experience. You are allowed to talk about it with others if they are interested. But I think most intelligent people can agree, that consciousness is special on a metaphysical level. Some knowledge cannot be acquired through empirical processes. That is unfortunate, but we cannot change that.
Reading thru this thread at all the squabble just enforced what I wrote above. I can’t identify with most of you who identify as Christian. I feel like I’m not suppose to, so many of you are false.
What do you mean they were right?
Jesus himself said he isn't God but just a messenger. Bible got corrupted as time went by and the purifed word of God was revealed through His final book to mankind, the Holy Quran.
thats.... great
do you even know what the new covenant is?
do you know what actually happened upon the death of stephen?
do you not know what Christ meant when he said
>behold YOUR house is left unto you desolate?
>There is no proof, it is a very private experience.
the final ultimate absolute proof, the final step of finding him is entirely internal, yes
If the catholic church is holy why does it tolerate institutionalized child sexual abuse?
this was a crazy day
not the thread for you
go away and learn to grow up and be nice
k bud
>What do you mean they were right?
they were right
muhh new covenant. Just admit you're an anti semitie you know nothing of the bible
The people who actually followed Jesus (peace be upon him) followed Islam because he preached the same religion Muslims follow today. So yes, we do believe in the same God as those people who followed Jesus.
>the god of the quran is a devil or figment of the devil
that is exactly what the devil will have you believe w.r.t the true religion of God.
Stick to pure reason
why people say anti-semite when rather than being against that whole group the people they refer to are actually ONLY anti-jew?
now go find out what the new-covenant is
and because someone does not exalt something does mean that person at all looks down upon it
only that they do not like nor dislike that thing
go find out what happened behind the scenes with stephen in 34 ad and what the new covenant means
and try to account for Christ's
"behold YOUR house is left unto you desolate"
(hint: the father had left for good)
so you accept that you got Jew'd
I think you can find two answers and weirdly enough none of them are wrong really. I think they are those that walk together and those that have to walk alone, that have to make their own morality. The latter is in a much more dangerous position though. Because they have to be good enough, but it is easier to stray and you never really know.
As you maybe can guess I am the latter, but I am happy for those that found the ultimate truth. I really wished I could.
the god of the quran says Christ is just a man
hence i am right about that "god"
indeed
and there is only one Church that does that
wrong
if you deny his divinity then his entire life and the cross were for nothing
it is supreme blasphemy
and the quran unequivocally denies christ's divinity
>separate from gnostics
Origen of Alexandria was from Alexandria, the home of Gnosticism. Origen was a well-known universalist and founder of ((allegorical interpretation)) of Scriputure (aka, he interpreted Scripture to fit his pagan beliefs, not the other way around). Arius was his disciple. That's why Arianism is verily a Gnostic discipline.
>the god of the quran is a devil or figment of the devil, nothing more
True, which is why the Koran contradicts itself in S. 109:3, which contradictorily says that we do NOT worship the same god as Muslims.
Most mid-wits like you hate the rational proofs for god, because they don't like to think. The "Christ myth theory" is contradicted by all the evidence and is rejected by 100% of scholars.
Jesus said He is the Almighty in Revelation 1:8, deceiver.
Because it is the institution of the Antichrist of Revelation 17-18. (2 Cor. 11:14)
That's exactly the opposite of what the Devil made Muhammad believe when he possessed him.
Much of the Quran is plagiarized from the literal Talmud, such as your extrabiblical stories about Solomon.
various fallacies
you cannot have 2 right answers to anything ever
reality is not subjective
(ooops, can of worms)
No true scottsman fallacy, read the fucking sticky.
"Only I am a TRUE scottsman. All those others are convinced as much as I am that they're doing it right but somehow I am the superior enlightened one."
You could ALL be incorrect user.
Put the fairytale book down and stop playing make-believe. Its time to grow up.
>and there is only one Church that does that
Church entails faith. Faith and reason are at odds with one another
True Christians are those who give blessings to Israel, bub.
>
>nope
Just a 'nope'.
Wow. I guess you know what you're talking about and aren't just a fucking deluded sheep like the rest of them, eh user?
You don't even have a fucking clue. Just "nope".
No, dipshit, there is no such thing as a TRUE Scottsman, just an arbitrary distinction that you invent to convince yourself that YOU have the right message from an imaginary character that hasn't been demonstrated to exist.
What the fuck makes you so convinced that magic is real or that 'blessings' (being an incantation or evocation of supernatural forces, in essence a magical enchantment) are possible?
What was it that convinced you that magic wasn't the substance of fairytales?
Protip: That was rhetoric. Magic isn't real. Grow the fuck up, you retard.