I got into a conversation with a Nazi the other day, and the Nazi failed to answer the following problem I posed to him about his ideology and practice:
1. How do Nazis account for the inherent inefficiency of hierarchy in using information and resources?
2. How do Nazis explain the inevitable unnecessary corruption that will be created from a system of rule?
I'm genuinely curious, I'd like to hear their opinions on these problems.
Dude I'm as lefty as it gets but you're just a retard posting meaningless words. WTF is wrong with you. Get a hold of yourself.
I think the issue here is that you're a faggot
I want you to answer these questions first.
Seconded. It appears we are unanimous. Thread dismissed.
Yeah, that's what I thought, they don't have a response to these issues because they don't have a fucking solution for them.
Anarchism does.
Therefore,
Anarchism > National Socialism
Please answer those truly well thought out questions you pose yourself. It’s like you went into a thesaurus and picked out any words that seemed usable with regards to creating this abomination of a post. The B8 is maybe a 6/10 M8.
>inherent inefficiency of hierarchy
Read up on the history of the Spanish Civil War anarchofag.
Flawless reasoning. But you have to be over 18 to post here I'm afraid.
>1. How do Nazis account for the inherent inefficiency of hierarchy in using information and resources?
Hiearchy isn't top down, it is middle outwards. There are three segments of society; the Low the Middle and the High. The Low and the High are distant and don't interact much. The middle pass information about what is happening on the ground(what is happening in the Low segment) to the High and ask for resources from the High to solve it, and even make proposals. It is good to have the high in order to moderate the middle. Just having a High and a Low usually leads to resentment from the Low which is a reason why the French revolution happened. The bourgeoisie should have been incorporated into a good relationship with the nobility.
>2. How do Nazis explain the inevitable unnecessary corruption that will be created from a system of rule?
All systems collapse. All systems will develop corruption, it is just a question of how fast. The most stable system seems to be an ethnohomogenous republic combining democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy.. It shoudl be based around imperium. The domain of power itself
1.
>The middle pass information about what is happening on the ground(what is happening in the Low segment) to the High and ask for resources from the High to solve it, and even make proposals.
This is simply not an ideal form of organization. The people in authority who make the rules interfere with the people who know how to do the job and are in direct contact with the situation. The people who make the rules know nothing about the work they’re interfering with. The people who make the rules are unaccountable to the people who do know how to do the work. Consequently, all authority-based rules create suboptimal results and irrationality when they interfere with the judgment of those in direct contact with the situation. Another problem is Groupthink: Hierarchies systematically suppress negative feedback on the results of their policies. Hierarchies also systematically suppress critical thinking ability in their members. Psychological studies have found that people in positions of authority become less likely to evaluate communications based on their internal logic, and instead evaluate them based on the authority of the source.
So, no, having a "high" to solve the problems of everyone else is not ideal, it's inefficient compared to a non-hierarchical form of organization because of these reasons.
2.
> All systems develop corruption
Yes, but the problem I pointed out about Fascism is that it creates unnecessary corruption because of the system of rule that it creates. A system of rule, where there is a ruling class and a ruled, will create more corruption than a system based on consensus, where there is no ruling class, which is anarchism.
Riddle me this anarcho-nigger
1. How come anarchist movements have never achieved anything other than cause chaos and stealing some shit
2. How come that whenever an anarchist movement tries to assert itself as a political entity on the world stage they're already only months away from being crushed by another country, often their fellow communists
3. Why do Anarchists align themselves with Communists when they consistently end up stabbing you in the back and creating a totalitarian dictatorship(of the biggest baddest warlord, not the proletarians)
No response from the fascists. Not a surprise, they don't have a solution to these problems.
Score another victory for the anarchists.
>Another victory
Another one? :^)
Anarchy doesn't solve anything, it's just the lack of an actual solution and saying "do what the fuck you want" instead, and claiming everything is solved because you can do what the fuck you want. The forms of anarchy that are a little more thought out like ancap, just end up offloading all the same problems onto private organizations instead of governments.
The problems you mentioned are generic enough that they will be problems in any system. If you want a legitimate discussion of how natsoc might try to solve those problems, you'd be better off asking withdraw mentioning your own meme ideology, because now the thread is about your meme ideology and not natsoc.
youre essentially goalpost shifting to try and imply that the human element can be removed, and somehow "improved"
youll use this to then further imply that "no rule" is then better
kys
those are retarded questions.
that never happened
you arent who you pretend you are
How to deal with corruption
Ad-hominem
How do you load a question to the point of being unanswerable?
Read some shit before you post here.
If hierarchy was as unsuccessful as you're describing, then it wouldn't be wide spread. Hierarchy exists because it's beat the competition. Hierarchy will always enable a greater level of specialization on a greater scale. A co-op could never run an operation as expansive as McDonald's.
based Astartes fan
>I got into a conversation with a Nazi the other day
No you didn't.
Post your body. I want to see if you would actually survive an anarchist anti state.
>ad-hominem
>didnt address my post, and just looked at the "kys" part
imagine my shock a memeflag goalpost shifts
just imagine
>I got into a conversation with a Nazi the other day
No you didn't.
Made this up in your head so you had an excuse to make this thread.
This guy wins the internet today!
Join the 40%
P.S. Nazis are faggots, just like you.
Here is a problem, pic related.
Hierarchy is obsolete, it may have been successful at one time due to human ignorance, but historical materialism has advanced humanity to the point where non-hierarchical forms of organization are now generally more efficient.
Hierarchy is being beaten in some places by this relatively new form of organization, I used the Zapatista example in the OP.
I'm not goalpost shifting, anarchists have always claimed the goal is full communism, a society without hierarchy.
>1. How do Nazis account for the inherent inefficiency of hierarchy in using information and resources?
>2. How do Nazis explain the inevitable unnecessary corruption that will be created from a system of rule?
They won't and never will. Just look at the Polish resistance literally infiltrating every command and intelligence in the NAZI realm. It's quite unbelievable but it's true. The NAZIs were leaking secrets so badly, they couldn't do anything to stop it. The Idiocy of NAZI policy of the "perfect" German opened them up to serious corruption because most Poles looked like the very image they imagined themselves, they learned German and all of the sudden they're super humans.
How much do you get paid to shill? lol
>claim the goal of full communism
except "full communism" invariably leads to communistic state
youll tell me next that "full communism" has not been either achieved, or tried?
>a society without hierarchy
except an anarchistic society (an oxymoron) naturally has hierarchy, as it devolves to the laws of nature, which is inherently hierarchical
>unironically thinks latin american left-wing militants are still relevant today
Shill what? What the hell are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, you fucking idiot. Fucking retard.
Communism is the exact opposite of Anarchy. It is authoritarianism in the extreme.
Trolls
Your premise is false.
Hierarchies are necessary and increase efficiency.
Question OP.? How are you going to have no authority yet spread money/resources at the same time? How can you have socialism with no authority?
but anarchism also has a fundamental problem in informational distribution.
(all social systems do of course but some are better than others) anarchism can allow huge information heierachy gaps to arise, as it is not organised sufficiently to make inforamtion flow well. Liberal democracy does it better.
also, anachism is a myth. it ignores the fundamental nature of human beings who are for the most part incapable of taking personal responsibility, of being informed, of making decisions, adn of having the time to be fully engaged int eh political process because theya re busy surviving adn living.
anarchism is possibly better than nazism, because after all totalitarian cronyism sucks, but it is still shit tier in real world situations.
>The people who make the rules know nothing about the work they’re interfering with.
false premise
>cannot address my points, so resorts to disregarding them
quite ironic when you said here that i was using an ad-hominem
the unironic cognative-dissonance on show here is laughable
im not sure whether youre genuinely anarchistic (and effectively a useful-idiot) or just a plain old shill
either way, engage and debate with me. i have the spare time
Read about Witold Pilecki and how he was able to waltz into NAZI camps and bases, it's quite hilarious and confuses the stormcucks because muh German efficiency. The irony that he gets murdered by Soviet Jews after the war.
stfu no on cares, mestizo
Of course he couldn't answer your questions.
They don't make any sense.
The first is plainly untrue, and the other is a universal problem, not unique to Nazism.
Why do you think the Roman Republic would default all of it;s powers to a temporary dictator in times of crisis?
Because executive action is swift, and senatorial decision making is tedious, of course.
Heil Hitler.
Feel free to demonstrate how a communist state could ever exist without a strong hierarchy.
I'm done with you. You're just a retard that can't even see people agreeing with you. End thread. Good bye mentally ill midget.
>all authority-based rules create suboptimal results and irrationality when they interfere with the judgment of those in direct contact with the situation.
but those involved directly in the work may not have an overall picture, adn are likely to be blind to wider and deeper consequences, as well as biased towards their own work, so are likely to be bad decision makers. - they are more inclined to groupthink than a wider experienced adn influenced outside observer
So OP hates leadership of any kind, is that right?
>. How do Nazis account for the inherent inefficiency of hierarchy in using information and resources?
what ineficiencies, hierarchy are a very efficient system that sliterally the reasons all import sectors, like armies, use them
>How do Nazis explain the inevitable unnecessary corruption that will be created from a system of rule?
wtf are you talking about with all your meaningless buzwords
>the people who make the rules have no clue what they're interfering with?
So a legislature doesn't understand the crimes? The General doesn't understand the duties of the Lueatenant(fucking forgot how to spell it)? The CEO doesn't understand the dutys of the janitor? The principal doesn't understand the job of the teacher?
>2.
Elaborate.
>>The middle pass information about what is happening on the ground(what is happening in the Low segment) to the High and ask for resources from the High to solve it, and even make proposals.
>This is simply not an ideal form of organization.
thats not fascism either are you all retarded or something?
>but historical materialism has advanced humanity to the point where non-hierarchical forms of organization are now generally more efficient.
first off historical materialism isnt a word an expression or a concept, its something you just made up, second I guess this is why armies are just a group of hippies who all get up in a circle and talk about the feelings of the group to take decisions right?
>1. How do Nazis account for the inherent inefficiency of hierarchy in using information and resources?
It comes from the nature of artificial systems and an interrupted connection with God / natural law. The inefficiency can be surmounted through various means besides such methods as reorganizing or optimizing.
>How do Nazis explain the inevitable unnecessary corruption that will be created from a system of rule?
Corruption is inevitable over an infinite amount of time, it comes with degeneration and entropy. That's why it's best to learn the methods of fighting corruption. If you master these, the world around you will be affected in kind. That's natural law, that's the awesomeness of beinghood. The mistake fascists and the like make is that they think you can have a just hierarchy by adhering to forms and rules . When really it's those elements that stem from a just hierarchy, not the other way around. We can't do this if we violate natural law in our hearts, minds and actions.
Happy birthday, 14 years!!!
LOL, anarchists are more retarded than notsocs.
hierarchies are inevitable.
Forced equality is the greater evil.
Nazis haven't existed since the National Socialist Party was disbanded in 1945. Please share your time travel technology with the US government so they can undo this Coronavirus thing. Thanks.
>OP has now abandoned his thread
welp
all meme-flags are cancer
debate me
Why even bother replying to a memeflag he's already gone onto his next shitty slide thread
Lol if those anarcho lefty fags went rolling down the city streets here they would get fucked
Is this some militia in South America?
create a working democracy where we get to vote on everything, including the firing of politicians and make business lobbying illegal,
no more trusting these fucking things in power.
>I got into a conversation with a Nazi the other day
More like
>I screamed at some middle aged white guy on the street the other day that was trying to mind his own business
filename you retarded, post-turn-of-the-century, kiddie
fascism is the realization that hierarchy is inherent to the nature of human social organization. capitalism communism & every other ideology is a fable, nothing more than a religion for middle class imbeciles.
The only difference between any society is the nature of the man who rules you (and the nature of the man who is ruled and the proceding interaction developed therein), no one operates by absurd logical constructs least of all the sociopaths who achieve power, all thoughts are formed through pathos and subject to evolution. That is to say even the most devout communist/cap etc will always become a self centered pragmatist if ever given power (not that they would ever gain power).
1. Explain what you mean
2. Rule doesn't nenecessarily lead to corruption
Now I KNOW you don't know what you're talking about. "Historical materialism" was coined by Friedrich Engels himself.
It's actually been 26 years. Solidarity
no u
anarcho faggot did not answer these questions and thus we must assume he has no answers for them, he has no solutions, he is only a baiting faggot
1. account for the inherent inefficiency of hierarchy
Slave labor picks up the slack
2. unnecessary corruption
Scapegoat da jews
How autistic are you?
The picture is of the Zapatistas, an anarchist country in Chiapas, Mexico.
>hierarchy
>/ˈhʌJərɑːki/
>noun
>a system in which members of an organization or society are ranked according to relative status or authority.
How do you intend to allocate scarce resources without a hierarchy?
How do you intend to allocate responsibility for important tasks without hierarchy?
How do you intend to deal with human nature without hierarchy, given that most humans are innately followers ?
Do you think hierarchy is a human invention?
That's just off the top of my head.
t. not a Nazi
conas atá a chara?
Complete BS,
hierarchy is inherent to nature, and humans are no different.
the trouble with ideologies that get into power and execute their opposition is that they'll always be looking over the shoulder in case it happens to them. This inevitably leads to a cult of personality police state where everyone's terrified they're gonna get vanned cause their kid might blurt something out at school that mommy or daddy said about the Fearless Leader
>1. How do Nazis account for the inherent inefficiency of hierarchy in using information and resources?
You're supposing there is one, and you didn't provide a context. Using info and resources for what? Military planning? Spreading memes? Sharing important news, sharing trivial news, what? The fact that you didn't clarify this tells me you don't know what you're talking about and probably have a canned answer prepared that you couldn't elaborate on if pressed enough.
>2. How do Nazis explain the inevitable unnecessary corruption that will be created from a system of rule?
Again, please elaborate. This is such a vague non-question I don't know what type of answer you're looking for. A "system of rule" by it's nature has rules - well defined systems of rules are in place to prevent corruption. In accounting this is referred to as internal controls, ie measures taken to remove the elements of the fraud triangle (opportunity, motive, rationalization) for a given person in a given position.
If you're actually looking for an answer to this I would like you to give me your own answer from your own anarchist perspective so I know what it is specifically you're looking for in a response and that I actually have something to compare it to.
1. How do Nazis account for the inherent inefficiency of hierarchy in using information and resources?
2. How do Nazis explain the inevitable unnecessary corruption that will be created from a system of rule?
SOURCE?