Is it possible to have an objective thread about religion? Religion affects us all, whether we believe or not > It affects POLITICS whether we believe or not. Why do we need it? We can't know a god, if one exists. We can't prove or disprove the existence of a deity. Why is this subject so sticky?
If you suggest to the religious that their adherence to mythology is a result of their collective and personal fears of death, they become irate and start saying something about KNOWING they're right, but no one does or even can. Why do those who believe in something feel it's their responsibility to push their beliefs on me? Why can I not just live as I wish without interference? Why should one man's personal rules affect my own?
Once again, no emotion in this thread. Objective arguments only. If you don't know what this means, don't post. You may learn something.
>christcucks believe crazy shit because they re afraid to die, they re not intrested in truth, all conversation ends there This is always my experience. I like to practice being the only objective and respectful atheist in the thread, but I admit it's really, really hard, as the religious have sharp tongues, but not a lot of logic.
Benjamin Cruz
Fuck universalism, Wodan heerst
Andrew Clark
I get the quote, but not how this relates to the thread. What's your stance, user?
Tyler Garcia
I need God because God is the Logos personified. And if I want to reach perfection, I must seek God.
I also enjoy our little conversations. They comfort me in this rapidly-changing world.
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Anthony Evans
Atheists are retarded and miserable. End of story.
Jeremiah Jenkins
atheism is a coping mechanism for all your failures.
Henry Thomas
It works in people the see or feel something to believe. There always was and always is giing to be religión.
It says we are part gods maybe we just want to learn about our origin. Just Accept theres more in life that what meets the eye
Luke Stewart
The value structures religion provides keeps people mentally healthy. Why do you think depression/suicide rates have skyrocketed in the last 2 decades? You've got a younger generation of depressed, non-religious who have had a nihilistic upbringing.
Sebastian Perez
How do you know that the logos isn't written by men to control other men through their fear of death?
How do you know that the rules you follow aren't arbitrary?
Grayson Sullivan
I said no emotion. This is an emotional response. It's common when one man's convictions are threatened that he lashes out emotionally and uses insults instead of arguments. This is what you have done. Dig deeper, user.
Henry Gutierrez
>Why do those who believe in something feel it's their responsibility to push their beliefs on me? Why can I not just live as I wish without interference? Why should one man's personal rules affect my own? because God is personally interested in you, and the individual reaching you. By working through them He can work with you.
Samuel Cruz
How is failure defined? What failure would result in finding comfort in the nonexistence of the deity that is intended to provide comfort for all?
Andrew Carter
here's my advice for you, midwit, kys
Luke Mitchell
First and foremost we have to understand that USA is a Protestant country and moreover a Puritan one. In Reformation, religion and philosophy were contradicted with each other. Puritans treated the Bible as source of knowledge about the world and as source of law. So Puritans would look at the world, then at the Bible and describe the world with sentences from the Bible. This is what Ameridumbs understand as religion. This is why Ameridumbs also use the argument that somebody "shouldn't impose" something on me, because Ameridumbs see the Bible as subjective, mystical preference of a certain group of people which shouldn't be "imposed" on other subjective preferences. For continental Europeans though there is no such thing as "imposing" religious views, because religion and philosophy belong to the same universe of Reason. So the proper argument from continental european perspective is not asking somebody not to impose something, but simply by rejecting a certain statement!
So if christians say that for instance pornography should be banned, then American will say: "don't impose your Biblical preference on me", whereas a continental European will say: "pornography should not be banned".
Camden Young
Because no man is perfect. Therefore, if God is perfect and all-knowledgeable, then to seek perfection and knowledge is to seek Him.
Daniel Myers
>Just Accept theres more in life that what meets the eye No one has negated this, and I'll go a step further and admit that there are lots of unanswered questions on every side, but the assumption that some men have the definitions of this "more than meets the eye" and expects the world to conform their ideologies offends the intellect.
Carter Taylor
So you believe theres something but you dont like organized religión
Leo Diaz
Religion is a human practice. It is impossible to objectively approach belief in the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient creator. Your belief in this will define your worldview. If there is no God, then to what authority do you submit to? Every single one of us is imperfect, so if you do not submit to God, then you are submitting to a flawed authority, be it yourself, your government, or a temporal ideal. The only perfect being is the LORD God, who created the universe and all therein. The God who man rebelled against, and the God who sent His Son Jesus Christ to walk with us in the flesh, and to die in our place for the forgiveness of our sins.
THE REASON RELIGION IS IN THE WORLD IS BECAUSE OF GOD BLESSING SHEM WITH THE BIRTHRITE OF RELIGION, SINCE SHEM OR SEMITES IE FAKE JEWS SOLD THEIR BIRTHRITE TO THE VATICAN FOR A BANKING CHARTER, THE VATICAN NOW HAS THE BIRTHRITE AND CONTROL OF RELIGION.
>makes an authoritative statement imposed on him by his media kikel masters >guys can we just have one heckin objective thread about my stupid fuckin dad- i mean christcuckery? this is why OP is a fag
Joshua Gonzalez
Define "christianity"...
A boy can chop his dick and call himself Susan, but that's not a girl.
Liam Taylor
Sorry sweetie, Jesus fulfilled prophecy and proved he was God in the flesh.
Jonathan Cox
>christcucks believe crazy shit because they re afraid to die why are white r/atheists the ones cowering in fear as they are driven to extinction?
Zachary Foster
>just smoke weed and masturbate, bro
Henry Fisher
>Why do you think depression/suicide rates have skyrocketed in the last 2 decades? You've got a younger generation of depressed, non-religious who have had a nihilistic upbringing. This is not an unequivocal conclusion. A lot of things have changed dramatically in the last two decades. Change is the only thing I can say is as close to eternal as the human mind is able to comprehend. It's usually confusing, often upsetting and always forces further change, which complicates things further. With the advent of the internet, information is being shared at an unprecedented rate. If anything, I would say the redpills shared here and elsewhere has lead both to the loss of respect for the church and the rise in suicide, but assuming that the two occurrences are relying only on each other is a dramatically simplistic assessment. They are more likely both effects of the spread of information.
Chase Reed
It doesn’t matter what you believe faggot. The people with all the money do believe, and it’s not Christianity.
Go debate religion some more while the elites sweep the rug from under you, you narcissistic egotistical twat.
>noooooo I said you can’t show emotion!!! Invalid argument! Invalid argument!
Pathetic
>Why can I not just live as I wish without interference? Why should one man's personal rules affect my own?
Like I said, the people with all the money make the rules. We failed to protect ourselves from usury. We succumbed to greed. We stopped teaching the basics of Christianity to our kids. We lose and will continue to lose until we learn from our mistakes and the mistakes of our greedy parents.
It doesn’t matter if god is real, if the biblical stories are real, the people with all the power believe and have for a very long time.
No. The designated religion board is . We're fucking sick of mods allowing off-topic Christian Zionist threads to be spammed here
Luis Price
>because God is personally interested in you, and the individual reaching you. By working through them He can work with you. So you believe that it's your responsibility to convert me out of personal interest from god? If you get me, you'll look better? I've never been confronted by a deity. It's always a man.
Asher Peterson
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Caleb Lee
Christianity is a Semitic death cult. Also your ID is the same colour as my firm and segmented poop this morning.
Bentley Torres
>Faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ Romans 10:17 We are the LORD’s instruments, fren
Ryder Jones
If we're the lord's instruments then you're definitely a clarinet you fucking faggot
Thomas Flores
I kinda get what you're saying, but it just translates into emotion and erroneous assumptions against Americans.
Aaron Harris
the abrahamic faiths have made people do horrid things I truly wonder what their original messages were we need to think bigger, think for ourselves I always had this feeling there was something out there, pulling the strings, protecting us... some greater force making sure this world doesn't perish But I'm pretty sure it isn't some magic pale man in the sky that damns people to an eternity of suffering for not obeying his very asexual view on life
I truly wonder how the original Jesus must feel about people slandering his image by making him look like their breed In this case pale with brown hair...
Jonathan Collins
Always striving to be the victim. What a shit country this has become.
Grayson Martinez
If God was perfect he wouldn't have put hair three fifths the length up my dick
Easton Barnes
>but it just translates into emotion and erroneous assumptions against Americans. But it's critical! Because Americans understand religion differently from continental Europeans like Italians, Spaniards or Poles (other countries understand it badly as well, like Czechs, French, Hungarians, Swedish etc).
History is genealogy of behaviour and intellectual instincts!
Andrew Hill
Yeah it's true my upbringing made me fear death, fear torment... Like, I cannot even comprehend how people could be "at peace" in some heavenly realm knowing that there are other people suffering in some other And if you could be, there is something wrong with you
Angel Clark
No, I don't believe in a deity or superpower somewhere. It doesn't have anything to do with semantics, either - i.e. he exists outside of time and space, etc. The concept of a deity is illogical to me. The fact that organized religion's definitions of any deity that's existed throughout history is always flawed doesn't help, but my rejection of religion is as a concept in general, not because of their ideas specifically. I've never seen or experienced anything that hints to me that any deity exists, or ever has.
Benjamin Ward
Its impossible. because in spite of the numerous amount of times I explain in simple terms why Christianity is important to a functioning society regardless if God exists or not and nobody gives a fuck. That's because they are not here to debate. So I spam pagaytheist shit because that's all they'll respond to.
>If there is no God, then to what authority do you submit to? None. The only authority that is valid is the collective desires of the populace, but they need to be logical. My owns needs and desires are also valid. Don't confuse this with anarchy, though. The common religious reaction to this is that without someone or something telling the world how to behave, the only result can be anarchy and debauchery, but this is fallacy. We all need each other. Anyone intelligent enough to see that their goals and desires are only possible with the assistance and presence of the society they live in will have the collective rules of that society to dictate their behavior. Morality is not the sole property of religion.
Jose Torres
You are living, user. You did not come from rock soup; you are sustained by the breath of God.
Anecdotal interpretation is a poor argument to be fair. It's more logical and practical to say that man is incapable of knowing whether or not a deity exists, and that such a potential existence is ultimately inconsequential. It's fair to say that an overarching intelligence may very well be present, but is almost certainly not anthropocentric. In all likelihood the machinations and desires of man would be of zero interest to a universal mover; prayer is undoubtedly a waste of time.
Kevin Brooks
It's funny that schizophrenia is very widely accepted as long as it's the most commonly known imaginary friend.
Asher Peterson
Were you there to confirm it didn't happen?
Jonathan Jones
How can a judicial system that wrongly convicts an innocent man, or, similarly, fails to convict a guilty man be reconciled? Your argument is that authority and morality are defined by the majority.
Andrew Wright
Prayer is the acknowledgment of one’s sin. It’s simply retrospect. Taking responsibility for your actions and asking for forgiveness. This is a waste of time? We’re quickly on our way to third world status.
Dominic Morgan
I read your whole post. You should try to write objectively. You have a good point. There is a point where we have to admit that no matter what beliefs are, there are humans alive on earth that hold sway over all of us whether we like it or not.
That could have been a non-emotional and intelligent post. The parts are there, but your execution belies your emotional state. Since we're talking about redpilled reality, objectivity will get you farther in life than emotion ever will. It's worth practicing, user.
Jeremiah Martinez
So what if it is?
Lincoln Wilson
Religion is politics, user. It is politics at the basest level. Your denial of this is not relevant.
Andrew Johnson
sounds like mental gymnastics to justify guiltless sin
Gabriel Allen
>confirm a negative This is a fallacy that is pathological among the religious. "Refute my faith" is about as far from an effective argument that one could conceive.
If God is, as according to dogma, then he would already know you were to be forgiven from the moment of sin. No omnipotent, omniscient entity would require apology to influence its master plan. To say that prayer is effective is to say that man is capable of undermining the all-powerful. Notice the paradox
Justin Johnson
Were you to write a structure of law that needed to inspire others to spread it for you, wouldn't you write things into it like that, too? I would.
Easton Lopez
see Totally hilarious, though
Jackson Hall
Religion is a way for low IQ beta cuck nigger faggots to rationalize their meaningless existence. Their motto: "It's God's plan" == I'm a fucking worthless, incompetent, ineffectual, piece of literal shit.
Jayden Garcia
This isn't an argument. I'm not the one pushing a narrative.
Jason Lewis
Most Christians are excited to die, though. I know I am, and I would be a martyr if God wants me to be one.
Levi Edwards
>A cornerstone so impossible to remove even the best efforts from the greatest minds of generations cant manipulate the mindset Ya'know even if atheists think religiousfags believe a lie, you have to atleast consider the fact that they're not putting their faith in man but a higher power. Doing this makes you less docile to man, you choose to serve God instead even if you dont fully understand God's motives. All of this neatly wrapped around the fact that godless men are acting just like satan and reinforces their beliefs. Its pretty funny, satanists are disgusting. You need to serve someone, might as well serve the creator of your reality.
>please read my gay post again, I'm trying to narrate the debate I can shitpost and speak in earnest at the same time. You're starting to come across as somewhat of a fedorafag.
Jack Butler
>How can a judicial system that wrongly convicts an innocent man, or, similarly, fails to convict a guilty man be reconciled? This is a complex question. I'd participate in that thread for sure, but this isn't it.
If I understand you, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that god's law is flawless, and no one innocent has ever been punished under god's laws?
I didn't ever say that humanity was flawless, for the record.
Dylan Brown
Atheism is a coping mechanism.
>We can't know a god, if one exists. We can't prove or disprove the existence of a deity. So why act like there's nothing?
>they become irate Because it's a strawman?
>Why do those who believe in something feel it's their responsibility to push their beliefs on me? Maybe because you'd be happier?
>Why can I not just live as I wish without interference? That's how we ended up with transgender children.
>Why should one man's personal rules affect my own? Because my values are grounded in something besides "muh feelings" and "muh dick" - i.e., a God.
>Objective arguments only. Objectively, if there is no God, then you have no basis for your position, and it is preference. If there is a God, it is our duty to correct you. Either way, religion is necessary.
Benjamin Miller
> As he was drawing near—already on the way down the Mount of Olives—the whole multitude of his disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen, saying, “Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!” And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.” Luke Chapter 19
Angel Fisher
On the contrary; the reason cowards like you make these next level cope threads is to try to rationalize your hatred of God. If you were correct, it would be objectively pointless to talk about. Yet here you are.
Christogenea.org
Luis Watson
The thing is when there is no evidence to prove or disprove something, saying it didn't happen is fallacious. You can safely say "There is no evidence to prove this happened" because that is the truth. But you can also say "There is no evidence this didn't happen." because that is also the truth. You can't make a claim with absolute certainty that the even did or didn't happen however, because of the severe lack of proof on both sides. All we have to go on is the bible, which might I add, is still documentation.
