New Jersey needs COBOL programmers for their Unemployment system

I think BofA and WAMU both had Cobol systems crash during financial crisis. Their backed was 40 years old.

>tfw FORTRAN is still required for my field
All the weird autist dudes in my PhD program make Yas Forums jokes about it. What happened to the 1st rule of Yas Forums?

COBOL holy shit. In the fucking dark ages. Resilient system though

should I take a look at it? I learned Ada for last job.

Whatcha workin on, user? Some HPC stuff requiring large matrix diagonalization?

>getting a job now
Be sure to turn the light off after America closes

pretty much. Every single numerical weather model in the world still runs off of fortran

Can't they just use that IBM with a hidden universal translator?

No. Dont learn COBOL that shit needs to die. Fuck legacy systems. Time to update your fucking mainframes.

t. ex-bank programmer

cool beans. Same with quantum chemistry.

COBOL isn't difficult to learn. The major difficulty is knowing the environment (not the OS) running the COBOL software.

I outsourced a COBOL system running a court and jurt system. I know COBOL but not the environment running COBOL. I've since replaced those systems.

>Time to update your fucking mainframes.

How you gonna update their systems if you can't read how they work, dumb dumb?
There's a number of contractor setups that exclusively do cobol work updating old financial systems.
They're all old greybeard tech libertarians making 200k+.

>yfw you realize that most accounting is still done using COBOL programs written in the 80s

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Well I don't know COBOL but I can pretend I do. Would they really be able to tell the difference obviously they have no clue

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No as in. Time to make a new one in C.
That way you don't have to rely on dinosaurs.

A lot of machines still use COBOL. I won't go into the list, but they touch everything from healthcare to the energy industry.

>they're cancerous boomers deliberately kneecapping the system to artificially drive up their worth while triple-dipping on pensions and when they die it's going to take every xoomer with brainpower to find a ziennial with half a mind to actually figure out what the fuck boomie broke in order for the rest of us not to fucking die

Wow based

It's just managing numbers and transactions.
You don't exactly need lots of crazy features.

>C
>Not a dinosaur

Fortran is still kickass for numerical computing. Cant beat it.

Fuck man. I can't believe I can actually put that language to use. Guess I'll dust off the book.

like y2k all over again
what is it with cobol and global meltdowns

Kek NJ government will pay you less than if you are on unemployment now with the $600 per week. Unless you are undocumented. Murphy made that clear.

C isn't going anywhere wordpress nigger

And still nobody fucking uses it.

>C
>Not a dinosaur.

COBOL programmers have never not been in demand, mostly because everyone thinks they are too good for it and its too outdated.

NJ won't pay anywhere near that, even if in desperate need of a programmer in obscure shit needing a true senior (20+ yrs experience) programmer.
100k max for an immediate emergency max, will likely require you to be onsite too.
AS400 systems are still in heavy use (although Mazda I know uses it too, or at least as of last year they did)

IT school worker in NJ. Up until like 6 years ago, you had to upload all your student info to the State using a DOS program. Shit you not.

How hard is it to read a record, write a line???

Let me know when they need visual basic

Wells Fargos mainframe is COBOL based.
I wrote back end applications in Java, but I'd have to access the mainframe from time to time. I'd have to emulate an older machine to be able to access it.
It was written in the 80's and then just maintained.
They have a COBOL programmer on staff just in case they want to make changes to it, but it was unchanged the whole time I was there.

It's archaic and unnecessary.

I can do it, but I don't want that job. Sucks to be them.

Is it worth learning it? Keep in mind I know zero (0) programming languages

Why the hell do we still use that? I took a computational chemistry class in undergrad and the whole class was really just learning to program FORTRAN to find energy maps of molecules.

I forgot the zoomers don't learn C.
It's like C++, but C is better for corporate large systems.
By not being object oriented it's faster.
I bet kids these days would consider C and C++ too low level to want to learn.

Thank god. Would you prefer Pajeet Java requiring 32 cores and 64gb just to add two numbers then crash?

Well I'm fucked I only know C++, C#, python, scala, html, JavaScript, jquery, Java, node, ruby, maxscript, Lua, and SQL

Ok not ruby but give me a break I can only dilate so much

There's also such a thing as getting typecasted in software.

It's a combination of most software engineers not actually being very good, and HR recruiters being dumb as posts but they want you to be "interested" or "experienced" in their specific type of work or ecosystem.
You can get stuck in front end.
You can get stuck in back end.
You can get stuck in Salesforce.

Even if learning new languages or frameworks is trivial to you.

So if you're fresh out of college, and you spend 2 years dicking around with COBOL you're not going to show up on anybody's radar as actually wanting or knowing how to work on anything relevant.

C is used everywhere in systems programming you spastic

Based.

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>It's like C++, but C is better for corporate large systems.

You're a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Resilient to being eradicated. Thr language features don't make it more or less resilient than C, in any sense.

because it is very fast and has well-optimized compilers for parallelization

I have connections. I want to get an IT job, but I don't want to do Pajeet-tier grunt work.

Used to be a hardware jockey doing field support. you would not believe how many Nuclear power plants in the US are operated by PDP/VAX OpenVMS clusters installed in the 70s and 80s.

>It's like C++, but C is better for corporate large systems.
>By not being object oriented it's faster.
C++'s standard quicksort is faster than C's standard quicksort. The algorithm is the same. I'll leave you to figure out the details.

Cobol just werks. If you're making 10s of millions of dollars a week it's better to pay some boomers a shitload so there's not 1 day of down time than risk switching to a new system. On a side note /g/ and Yas Forums overlap so much now due to all the diversity shit causing IT guys to get redpilled.

You live in Lincoln or Omaha huh?

>It's like C++, but C is better for corporate large systems.
>By not being object oriented it's faster.
>head slap
People toss this tidbit around without actually understanding it. OOP is a great way to model problems and is not inherently slow. But there are more idiots who learned C++ and their code is often shit. And, in certain cases, doing things the C way does yield dramatic speed gains. But it's not an across the board, automatic thing. Implement the same exact algorithm in C and C++ and you're not going to see a real speed difference, if any. Thing is there are cases where you can implement a much faster algorithm in C...where you're even encouraged to by the libraries you have. And there are cases where an idiot can generate a mangled mess of a class framework that is dogshit slow.

>I bet kids these days would consider C and C++ too low level to want to learn.
They do. And as a result they don't learn anything about how a computer really works. Don't get me wrong, C is an abstraction of the machine. But it's much closer to the machine, and you run head first into the abilities and limitations of the machine. That experience carries over into everything you code.

Today's koder bootcamp kiddies write slow code in large part because they are fucking clueless about how data moves through the machine because "C is a low level dinosaur i don't need it."

that aint good. only really important shit on old never-fail overengineered hardware runs on COBOL.

seriously? C++ of all languages is "too low level" ?!?!?!?
Its a fucking higher level language for fucks sake?!

I have been a COBOL programmer for 3 years. It might pay well but i
you'll lose your soul for it

FUCKING THIS

The average "engineer" needs 5 years experience in XYZ to be productive. The kid who should have been a physics major but was too fucking lazy and landed in programming? He can self teach XYZ in a week and shit out better code than Pajeet Rajeesh or Sally Kodercamp ever imagined.

And recruiters could figure that out to if IQ tests were mandatory job information.

>They do. And as a result they don't learn anything about how a computer really works.

All accredited four year comp sci degrees will make you sit down at some point down and go from logic gates to machine language to writing a compiler for some intermediate language.

every computer system that matters is in COBOL or FORTRAN or relies on one that is.

>muh one off example
This is as short sighted as "OOP is slow".

Nobody uses C? Do you know what system and embedded software is?

Never, but close to nebraska. Des moines. Here is Nationwide, farm bureau, aig, principal. Others im not thinking of im sure. Last i knew all these outfits still ran some cobol.

didn't I learn this in gate in 85?

The shitskins will tell him any lies he wants to hear

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The specific point was that using abstractions introduced in C++ makes it easier for the compiler to optimize rather than shoving all of your abstractions behind opaque or void pointers.

No. they don't. A decade ago they started you out with high level languages and worked onwards from there into more complex shit. Low level shit was dabbled in at best.
Different schools may teach a different code as well. I know one that would teach C++, and another that would teach Java.

second of all, a four year degree is actually only two years of computer learning in most colleges. the first two years are JUST maths, sciences, arts, a bit of what you are actually studying, and other bullshit required for you to take just to qualify for the higher level shit.

What's up my nigger? WRFaggot here.

>seriously? C++ of all languages is "too low level" ?!?!?!?
>Its a fucking higher level language for fucks sake?!
Dude, you're preaching to the choir.

>All accredited four year comp sci degrees will make you sit down at some point down and go from logic gates to machine language to writing a compiler for some intermediate language.
You including Mumbai in that statement? Also: people cheat. People barely pass then forget what they learned. And people fail to make connections.

I've run into degree holders from "accredited four year comp sci" programs who couldn't figure out how to reverse a loop to delete items from an array without invalidating their index array on the first deletion.

>muh compiler!!!
And while your specific point has bearing on a small subset of problems, it does not have such a large impact as to make C++ automatically faster in general.

Cobol is used quite a bit in internal banking systems.

here come the scammers claiming expertise in cobol charging big bux.
America is a failed experiment that needs to be ended.

>not just dumping your source on github and vetting qualified people for free work

>reverse a loop to delete an array.
They must have dumbed shit down from your time to mine.
In my time a decade ago that shit would be considered a side trick a professor MIGHT teach you on the side or test you for.
When we covered arrays that was never gone into, maybe it would have at higher levels I never took.
They were not really teaching us to master various aspects. It was all about learning just enough of one thing to apply it to the next step, never fully understanding all you could do with it, and never encouraging that kind of thinking TOO much.
Our tests had us writing out actual code in pencil on paper to accomplish a goal.
They taught us to fulfill requirements, and get the code out quickly, but not to innovate or be clever.

>yes, yes, i have much experience in cobol, yes
>i will do the needful and fix your pc
>please ask donald trump for h1b visa thank you

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Not to say I disagree with writing out code. Great way to teach you to think quickly.

Head on over to the thrift store for 50 cent COBOL books.

LOL

Spaghetti code incoming

Nah. Hardly anyone wants to cobol. They just can or cannot.

Apparently COBOL programmers can make upto $300k/year because all the current ones are literally dying, and banks still run on COBOL. Is it a bitch to learn? There's a physical aspect to it, too, since it's so old, right?

Because that's what was being used when the modern world come into being, and they've just maintained them ever since instead of making a new one in a modern language.

El
Psy
Congroo

I do Cobol. Started at 24 now 35. It's everywhere And my best kept secret. Make over 130.

Yes, Mr. [Your first name here]. I can program cobol very much. Kindly send H1B and I wheel do the needful.

underrated

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>programming

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Sure lets me ditch our250k cushy FAANG job working in Go.... to make 100k in NJ on Cobol

tell me more. i assume they eventually upgraded from old pneumatic controller for instruments / valves

neighbours uncle still does Cobol, doesn't make so much in regular times
the rural bank cooperative he works with has already begun shifting whole systems to newer languages
result is, that you have now to deal with cheap indians in bangalore making your weekly report

>For Cobol

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I could help burger but give me some masks

Indians seem like hardcore Trump supporters than most of Yas Forums at this point.

Its very easy to learn. Just a lot of attention to white spacing and setting variables to the right size and type. Everything else is putting very simple code into 4 divisions. If you can flowchart, you can code in cobol.

Pajeet ain't fucking around with Muslims
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots