Europe has had a complicated relationship with firearms since the last World War. Although some countries like Switzerland are quite liberal in terms of firearm legislation (by which I mean, owning firearms is relatively easy and the state doesn't actively work to disarm its citizens), the two largest countries in Europe - France and Germany - have extremely restrictive firearms policies. I sincerely doubt that there is any possibility of open or concealed carry in Europe in the near future, or any hopes of firearm legislation getting loser (unless a particularly pragmatic government decides its cheaper to let citizens enforce public peace than militarise its police force).
HOWEVER, let's suppose that the governments actually decide to allow concealed carry in Europe? This scenario assumes that in order to posses a type B firearm (semi-automatic weapons chambered in 9mm or above), citizens must undergo a psychiatric test and a firearm manipulation test. Would European citizens acquire weapons? Would they not? Why?
Curious to hear what Yas Forums thinks. My prediction is that the number of registered firearms user will not go up, because Europeans are brainwashed into thinking that firearms are evil, and that they should all be banned. Most Europeans don't even know how a firearm operates. I regularly hear individuals saying nonsensical things such as "fully semi-automatic assault weapons", or that pump shotguns are "weapons of war" and somehow more powerful than your typical 12 gauge hunting shotgun.
Ummm it is Britain that is the most disarmed country in Europe
Justin Brown
Yes, and?
Christian Long
Yes, and? Although I did say that France and Germany had tight gun control, I did not say they had low number of gun owners. I'm asking wether a more liberal firearm legislation will increase this number.
Tyler Robinson
Yes, although it's the later verion (probably a G2), which you can see from the retarded handguard. The best version (the f1) has been out of service for a while now.
Removing gun control in Europe can come from expanding and organizing the gun culture in the US.
If more people go through the hoops to get a gun then more people will be on the pro-gun side. Then, those people need to be organized into a group of single action voters. Once this "group" is large enough to influence politics then one political party will side with them.
Guns were much more restricted in the US a quarter century ago. That is how we made progress on relaxing gun control. Reagan supported the assault weapons ban in his post presidency but no republican would do that today.
The right to self defense is what you're sorely lacking. It's fucking ridiculous. It's something vital to life for as long as life has existed. No lifeform has made it to this point without defending itself. It's fucking fundamental.
Tyler Nelson
Imagine not carrying a Czech CZ (any model) everywhere you go. Fucking pathetic.
Jace Price
You mean piece of shit.
Bentley Thompson
yeah it existed in France until the socialist government of the time banned it to prevent a "revolt" (all while committing high treason by selling out their country to the Germans)
Jose Walker
Guns are illegal in the EU for good reason, it's why we don't have gun crime even in the worst parts of Europe. Criminals and niggers fear the police because the police does have guns.
>we don't have gun crime even in the worst parts of Europe Do you actually believe this? Are you actually retarded? There's over 50 shootings a day in Germany alone.
Zachary Gutierrez
>illegal there are literally millions of gun owners throughout the EU.
>no gun crime what was the Bataclan? what was the Nice attacks? What were the London Brigde attacks?
The reason we have less crime than the US is because we have less niggers.
>the police has guns... and they're poorly trained. Seriously, the average policeman here gets three hours of firearm instruction PER MONTH. Hell, I'm a civilian and I spend about 10 hours a week at the range (I live in france, not in this godforsaken hellhole)
glocks are superior in every single way. Kill yourself, you and your shit gun.
also yeah
Isaiah James
Iirc Czech Republic has based gun laws and I think Farage has supported repealing gun control policies in Bongland before (not that he’s likely to ever be PM).
Kayden Scott
Yeah Glock is fine too, CZ is also gud, most reputable brands will do the job it needs to
Wyatt Green
You got your Glocks, your Mossbergs, your Benelli M4's, and then it should be too hard to figure out what rifles you need. Stupid fucks get nothing right.
Jacob Edwards
>should be too hard to figure out what rifles you need
something that's reliable and doesn't come from Germany. So, an FN Herstsal SCAR or a St Etienne FAMAS.
Tyler Morris
Czechia is just a holdout. And most ((((shootings)))) in Germany don't use real guns or are simple accidents. It's just a matter of time before most guns are taken away as old gun owners die. Their grandchildren won't care about guns and no one wants to spend thousands of euros on paperwork and gun safety prerequisites.
Lucas Sanders
Or just use the AK platform and stockpile lots of Mauser 98's for durable backups.
Gabriel Russell
>Would European citizens acquire weapons? >Would they not? no >Why? not the european way of life guns are just work tools for farms, for killing wolves or human executions of livestock mauled by wolves now that wolves have all but been eradicated from European pastureland, guns are basically non-essential tools
for Americans theyre more of a sport or a hobby, rather than a (once)necessity for Europeans
Gabriel Davis
>AK I just threw up in my mouth
read: not the anglo-saxon / germanic way of life. Guns were a big part of frenchness after the Revolution. They were removed by the (((government))) who collaborated with (((Nazi Germany))) and sold our country to (((Hitler)))
Sebastian Perez
>Opinion from a no guns Brit
Ok Nigel
Luke Moore
Send me one bro's, i need security, impossible to find any in my shitty country :'( i need to protect my familly in the incoming civil unrests pweaze !!
Adam Campbell
>Guns were a big part of frenchness after the Revolution yeah what, 1 of like 18 different french republics guns are not a European thing
greeks have a thing for pistols, but thats sort of like the american hobbyism, since greece killed all their hostile animals 1000s of years before the rest of Europe hunted them down with sticks and rocks
guns are just not European, except for in times of war
Parker Campbell
Europeans will get weapons whether the government allows them to o not. >Guns are illegal in the EU for good reason They are not. >Criminals and niggers fear the police because the police does have guns. Nope, they do not. You know nothing about the real world.
Austin Perry
Czechs have CCW
Jordan Williams
Good luck maintaining an AR weapons system without regular delivers of certain parts when an AK can be shot to all shit as it falls apart before replacing it with another.
Last thing you want is to increase you dependence on third parties during guerilla warfare.
Liam Hill
>guns aren't a European thing
How do you explain, then, that the world's best firearms are made in Europe? Manufacturers like Nexter, FN Herstal, Beretta, Sig Sauer, Steyr, etc... make the best guns on the planet. American firearms can't hold a candle to European ones, this is why European guns such as the HK416 and the FN-Herstal Minimi.
Nathaniel Turner
>AR >there are only AR/AK platforms in the world The AR platform is disgusting and absolute trash. In any case, I will spit on it if it's not a bullpup, which is vastly superior in most modern warfare scenarios (urban and vehicle combat)
Carson Gomez
Americans have a gun culture because they're training for a civil war that'll never happen.
Elijah Watson
Bullpup? wtf? there's a reason why the regular Australian army uses bullpups and our Special Forces don't.
Asher Wilson
no, americans have gun culture because their country built up independently form government oversight, and there was often no ability to implement police forces across the vast conquered land.
Evan Lewis
>How do you explain, then, that the world's best firearms are made in Europe? how do you explain that the worlds best electronics are all made in China and Thailand, but the niggers making them never get to use them, because they cant afford them?
we make shit, dont use it, sell it to americans, use feedback to improve chinks make shit, dont use it, sell it to us, use feedback to improve
Owen Martin
"men" who are afraid of learning how to operate guns and train with weaponry are soft, urban faggots who aren't fit to pass along their genetic material. you might as well just become trans if you hate guns desu
Nathan Thompson
yeah
Henry Bell
The Wild West wasn't a "gun culture", it was rule by the barrel of a gun when necessary. Americans today have made a impotent gun culture out of it.
Carter Ross
>don't use it Dude, the french and British army are easily the most powerful in the world after the Big 3. If you deny the European tradition of weaponry, you're a cuck and a paid shill.
Jackson Howard
Ok, what is that reason?
Zachary Morales
newfag
Gavin Cox
We have fists and determination brah.. plus Carlin....
Are you ex-military or not? Anyone with a basic knowledge of weapons handling knows bullpups are shit for gun fights.
Matthew Stewart
>gun crime Why the fixation on such a specific crime. What about VIOLENT crime. That's what matters. Banning guns does not stop violent people from being violent. It is not a solution to violence.
Juan King
>the french and British army
Before the FAMAS the french used an H&K gun spents billions of govt money to develop the FAMAS made a good gun overdeveloped it into the monstrous piece of shit it is now and are outsourcing their re-re-refits to H&K again
the L85A1 was probably the worst service rifle in history when it came about and had to be reworked twice by enfield and twice again by H&K before it became "usable"
Daniel Diaz
If europeans were allowed to buy and carry arms, nothing would happen. There would be no mass shootings, there would be no spike in murders or suicides, no kids accidentally shooting themselves.
Kevin James
oh and the FAMAS is also being replaced by an H&K gun soon(TM)
James Thompson
In France it's easy to have firearms. All you need is to apply for a hunting licence. Once that's done you can buy pretty sweet rifles.
Bentley Wright
Restrictions on possession of firearms should go hand in hand with mandatory national service. Exclusively for citizens who have fulfilled standard military training and sworn allegiance to preservation of security of the nation, not the state.
The only function of the state should be for mediating provincial disputes. And for foreign relations with other states.
The only military force should be deployed by the national provinces in times of defense.
Charles Ross
Any finnbros want to gimme a QRD on moving there to live and how the gun laws work.
Josiah Moore
imagine owning the reddit's choice onions milk of wonder nines
Juan Watson
10 years in the french air force.
I still don't see a single defect to the bullpup design. Sure, reloading is different, but it just take practice. I can reload my VHS2 just as fast as I can reload an AR, and so could I with a FAMAS. The bullpup offers many advantages due to its smaller size. It's much more usable in urban combat than longer standard rifles.
If you think bullpups suck, you've either never tried the bullpup or you never had decent training with it.
yes because our (((government))) cucked us AGAIN. Modifications for a next-gen FAMAS were easy to do but the Jews who rule us decided it would be better to make us Germany's bitch.
Sorry, but I don't qualify category C weapons as "sweet".
Christopher Bell
They will. Look at gunlets in America. Cleaned out the shelves in a week. And they have a confirmation loop on the media telling them guns are evil because X shot up Y on Thursday.
Also making good weapons has nothing to do with military success. The brits were always a feared military.
Yes, there were plans to make a new FAMAS that wasn't the shitshow we got with the FELIN system (absolute garbage by the way) If anyone here's a Jew, it's you, faggot.
So you're worried about a boar stealing your wallet at gunpoint...
Lincoln Peterson
i meant 4/4 obviously didn't look at the date
Dominic Young
>4/20/ >it's 3:18 on 4/4
yeah you must be french with that brain
Cameron Smith
Yes
Matthew Phillips
>The bullpup offers many advantages due to its smaller size. It's much more usable in urban combat than longer standard rifles is there a single special forces group, people that can choose their own guns, that use bullpups? The only one that comes to mind is the modified pkp which is a belt fed occasionally used by russians. >How do you explain, then, that the world's best firearms are made in Europe? Manufacturers like Nexter, FN Herstal, Beretta, Sig Sauer, Steyr, etc... make the best guns on the planet. American firearms can't hold a candle to European ones, this is why European guns such as the HK416 and the FN-Herstal Minimi. That's untrue. Even german special forces use ARs and as far as I know most of the new assault rifles like 416s and SCARs are just slightly updated ar18s which we chose not to go with from the start. FN does make some of the best belt fed guns though.
Lucas Lee
I haven't tried .300 on nigger yet
Kayden Rogers
lol this newfag
Noah Miller
it's not about the caliber it's about the firepower you can throw down range (aka: semi auto or better)
>muh special forces The fact that special forces don't use bullpups doesn't invalidate the superiority of the bullpup. The reason SFs don't use bullpups is because they have a steeper learning curve. Also, I'll have you know that the people who pass orders for firearms aren't the soldiers, but higher-ranking officers who rarely (if ever) see combat.
>muh german special forces uses AR same argument as above. just because the SFs use it doesn't mean its good. >the SCAR is an update AR18 doesn't invalidate the fact that it's a European firearm. If you know anything about firearm you will know that americans guns are known to be way more unreliable than european ones (hence the mass adoption of european firearms in any serious military). >nb4 china is a serious military no it isn't. A military which considers repurposed school busses as APCs isn't serious.
