Im talking about theuraputic treatment, also excluding respirators. Has no one thought of physically removing the liquid from the lungs? If you can put a camera in the lungs there no reason you can’t make a technology to just suck up the liquid.
Theres no progression in pneumonia treatment for decades, do doctors just want people to die?
nano machines son would be the only way, you cant stick a Hoover down someone's throat and not expect lung chum in the bag.
I've always wondered this, why can't we just pump the liquid out. If someone gets lethal alcohol poisoning its protocol to pump the stomach
It's called a Lobar fiberoptic lung lavage procedure. It's catching on.
the answer is because the lungs are made of a bazillion very fragile pulmonary alveolus that rip easier than tissue paper
I'm going to sum up a lot of medical education here for you:
The lungs are really really really really really delicate. Do you want De'Latrine Jackson from the hood to intubate your fucking lungs? Thought not.
The stomach can take a lot of abuse.
>Dude, just clean hundreds of millions of alveolus.
The more mucus you'll remove, the more the body will create.
All in all just would make one die faster.
The human body is literally snowflake shit tier
The fluid is in the alveoli. Those fuckers are tiny.
Lung tissue is not a fucking plastic bag you can cram a hose in.
The diameter of an alveolus is between 200 and 500 μm
You have 300million of those tiny fuckers in your lung, what you want to do, drain them individually with some aquarium hosing?
Proning helps. Lie on you stomach for 20 minutes.
Once the lungs space was cleared of liquid the liquid in alveolus would go into the lung space.
You can drain it posturally but that can be dangerous for some patients.
yeah it's possible in ~100 years
I like how when someone says something that stupid, I’m shown that at least four or five people here actually have a basic understanding of how the physical world around them operates, because we all jump down the idiot’s throat with the same simple answer.
Still they are right. I mean we have all this technology and advancements even medication. We even managed to get the highest survival rate on cancer due to that investments and yet Pneumonia still is an issue.
Technically, diuretics work to reduce the severity, but they also suck bigly.
That is definitely Anglo time when it comes to solving issues. We are overdue for Nationalist Socialism though.
>Lobar fiberoptic lung lavage procedure
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Dafuq are you talking about lung space?
The volume inside the alveoli IS the fucking lung space, that’s what your lungs are, a foamy spongey mass of alveoli.
Pneumonia used to be known as "the old man's friend," because it allowed people to die quietly and peacefully at home. That's the proper treatment for the elderly. Younger patients can usually be treated with antibiotics.
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We were supposed to have intravenous oxygen years ago, I don't know what happened to that. They had been able to keep lab animals alive with it.
I've had pneumonia and strong antibiotics are all you need if you're otherwise healthy. It sucks nigger ass, but the average person recovers easily.
Generally you don't pump the liquid out, you try to push it back in to the tissue so it doesn't prevent gas exchange. CPAPs are an example.
A cell is literally a nano machine
Sage
The liquid in the cells would cosmos outside, which can they be removed by a treatment
just take prednisone retard
Your mom is a omega giga machine.
Naruto.
Osmose, spelling correction
We basically have machines that do this, they're called ECMO machines.
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The problem is we don't have many of them and wuflu patients need to be on these machines for days to weeks. As a point of reference Germany only has 3 in their entire country.
>The fluid is in the ravioli.
There's no more for this shit. All research funds are monopolized by AIDS because all politics are retards.
The lungs have tubes in them...asthma is the thinning of these tubes combined with the flooding of them with mucus.
good fucking luck
The immune system isnt doing a very good job killing the virus so in the 20% theyre immune systemn is fucked
We can literally bypass the entire respiratory system with ECMO machines but they're just so fucking uncommon that it isnt done even in severe cases.
>Some one is mad they don;t have a clue.
Millions of alveoli in a lung? Dafuq? (did I used your retarded word right)
Nice ! I want one. Why the fuck am I wasting my heart and lungs for exactly ? I would hook up myself to such a machine every night.
Viral pneumonia is vastly different from bacterial pneumonia
The mortality rate for people who get on ECMO is 100%.
Put them on the ECMO machine and see if they survive the virus, I question if it would make the difference
Lungs are one of the most pants on head retarded parts of our anatomy.
Lungs are super fragile you can't just suck up the insides with a vacuum lmao
45% actually because most of the time once you need to go on ECMO your other organs are starting to fail.
A lot of hospitals dont even have the knowledge or equipment to do ECMO
Cant the liquids in lungs be pushed out using osmosis. Oh I guess you'll die from not breathing
Because the liquid isn't just pooled in the bottom of the lungs, it's inside the alveoli themselves. We don't currently have the technology to empty them.
Pneumonia is the magic process that takes your grandparents away. The body knows when time's up.
A self-growing, self-regenerating machine capable of adapting to a wide variety of environments and tasks, harboring a soul, and lasting as long as 120 years, far exceeding anything man is capable of creating by orders of magnitude is shit tier? What would you consider better, exactly?
lungs are a big delicate sponge that will fall apart when fucked with. you cant just wring it out.
Is that edible? I want to try it. It looks like meaty sponge cake
It's to maximize surface area.
The treatment would be to oxygenate the blood while removing carbon dioxide and provide adequate compounds to the body normally produced in the lungs like immunoglobulin. Meanwhile the immune system is bought time to recover from the pneumonia.
Here you go. Traditional Norwegian poor people tripe fodder - Lungemos.
Lung, heart, meat from the face of the pork and onion. Boiled and mashed together. Seasoned with ginger, clove, allspice and nutmeg.
you can't just remove liquid from the lungs. the mechanism for your body doing that is what gets injured with pneumonia.
The lungs aren't just large sacks of empty space in your body, the places the fluid collects are incredibly small, where the air meets the blood vessels and capillaries for oxygen / co2 exchange. it's not like you can just stick a hose down in there and suck shit out. Even if you did it wouldn't matter because it would just keep collecting because the virus causes active shedding of the outer cell layer, which is why pneumonia develops in the first place. You just have to ride out the disease and hope for the best, hope your immune system works and gets its shit together and begins fighting the virus and clearing your lungs so the cells can heal and move the fluids out.
100% agreed. Since I was a kid, I wondered why they just can’t drain it with suction
You couldn't design anything better in 10,000 years and you're calling God retarded. Repent.
How is choking on fluid peaceful?
Those alveoli are also covered in fluid whether there is pneumonia or not.
There is therapeutic treatment: moving, bending twisting, exercising, deep breathing, cold baths to break the fever, taking a long, moderately challenging hike for 12 hours overnight on a cold night.
Literally show the bacteria or virus who's boss
An Iron Lung will keep you alive one day, Jethro. They're due for a comeback.
This.
They stick a big pointy rod in your lungs to drain it.
My dad had it done because he got pneumonia related to a smoking habit.
It is extremely painful.
I haven't seen a doctor in 10 years and I don't believe in defying God or nature. When my time comes, it comes. Only evil people and children fear death.
I had bad pneumonia as a kid, to the point of spitting up blood.
Recovered 100% , i can barley remember it thought, was a complete delusional haze
Bro's that have taken it can attest to it's power of restoring natural breathing and the removal of all cravings that are from chemical dependency from smoking additives
San Pedro or Peruvian Torch hold the cure.
They refuse to accept Native Medicines as a source of not only their spiritual and psychological effects, but the physiological and scientific reasoning that shows the mescal actually aspirates the lung tissues, and regenerates cells, as well as freeing the bronchioles from phlegm and other particulates
You fucking idiots
Just stop giving the patient fluids and the lungs will dry out guarenteed
Whoops this isn't the same procedure.
The big needle used on my dad technique is called Thoracentesis.
Very very painful according to my dad. It was done as an emergency treatment.
Oh leaks I feel all queasy
Covid-19 gets a firm yikes
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