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God is eternal

How do you know that?

>No being can completely occupy an infinite universe
all beings exist inside the universe? Wow, big brain.

I remember philosophy 101. good times.

>nothing creates nothing

What do you think a god of some sort entails? That also entails something coming from nothing.
Oh right, you just say "magic" and call it a day.

>all beings exist inside the universe?
Part of the definition of the universe is "all things that exist" Anything outside the universe doesn't exist. Anything outside of time does not exist (eternal, infinite).

no it doesn't you larper. God is the the timeline, it has always existed

I just call it Providence and mix in a sense of Kami (respect for the land and what you use). Then I go on and read other books because I don't find the need to re-read Desert Manual OS and cry about my favorite passages

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>nothing creates nothing.
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A perfect vacuum is buzzing with virtual particles that spring out of nothing.

You are speculating. You don't know this.

yes

Nobody knows shit about this and retarded golems know even less.

>But you are an absolute troll if you believe that there isn't a supreme entity, spirit, or energy that created us and our world.

The literal definition of a god.

the question religion can't answer is who made god?

Psalm 14:1
> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Someone who actually denies God in his heart has done some evil things, so they eschew truth because they hate being told they are wrong.

The two overlap, many atheists are actually anti-theists

Bible says he's always existed

Atheists can be indifferent towards people worshiping while anti-theists believe that worship is harmful, normally to the worshipper's IQ.

>God is what ever absurd claim du jour
This is how your word salad is coming out.

God has always existed, that’s why he identifies himself as I Am. Time is an illusion God is not temporal, and thus asking who made God is like asking for how long did hydrogen atoms have 1 proton and 1 neutron and 1 electron.

There may or may not exist supernatural being(s). We don't know, and that's okay. It's better to not know than to make shitty assumptions and myths and religions.

So what if supernatural being(s) do exist? Do they intervene in our daily lives? Where's the empirical evidence? Does it make sense to "pray" and "worship" these supernatural being(s)? Imo, I've got better shit to do with my time than wasting it at church or whatever.

17th and 18th centuryfags came up with the most logical and reasonable approach to this scenario: Deism. Perhaps there exist supernatural being(s), but that doesn't validate shitty religions like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Greek/Roman mythology, Buddhism, Hindu, etc...

In this context he is using anti-theist as people who think god(s) do not exist.

Nice quads. And yeah, most anti-theists are probably atheist.

Atheists were a silent minority. Some of them chose not to believe in God, even if they suspected God was up there.

Now it's just vocal little shits with no personalities, thinking atheism makes them cooler and smarter.

Ever heard of pair production faggot?
0=1-1

Isiah 45:5
> I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me

You guys are ducking the one true God because you don’t like being told masturbating to some sodomite is wrong.

> 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God

Come to the light. You are in your way to hell and if you don’t believe on the name of Jesus Christ, you will die in your sins.

Mate death is real.
Dead people are not alive in an alternate dimension called the spirit world.
Dead people feel nothing.
Jesus died to save you and everyone who ever lived from death.

There is no afterlife apart from resurrection. The wages of sin is death, to cease to exist.

Jesus died on the cross for your sins to save you and everyone else from death.

Jesus really died, if his father, God had not raised him up from the dead he would still be in that tomb.

When Jesus died on the cross and rose again from his tomb on the third day, he payed for all the sin in the universe.

Thanks to this, everyone who ever lived will now live forever with God. Hell exists but it is not forever. Jesus did not die on the cross to save people from hell. Evey one will be salted with fire. Either in this life or the next. On judgment day some people will make it and others will not based on their works in this life. Those that got away with doing evil in this life will be disciplined by being executed with fire. They will return to being dead as the fire turns them to ash. Later on Jesus will raise those that died in the fires of hell. On that day Jesus will kill death itself and God the father will be all in all.

This is true weather you believe me or not. If you do, and you do not believe in the trinity, or free will, then congrats you believe the gospel. If this faith in you endures to the end you will rule and reign with Jesus in heaven.
Jesus died for the demons too. This is the gospel of the circumcision, or Paul's gospel.

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>that’s why he identifies himself as I Am

That's not why he says that in the context of the bible. Also claiming that he's outside of natural laws makes things more complicated for the believer, not simpler.

>Some of them chose not to believe in God, even if they suspected God was up there.

That's not what atheism is.

>Thinks non-believers must have some monopoly on evil.
All those torture devices fabricated by the Christians during the Dark Ages we designed to torture maim and kill heretic and non-believers.

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>God has always existed
>God is not temporal
What evidence do you have of this?

>uses secular science
Secular science does not propose to have all the answers, it only proposes that by using evidence and reason through the application of the scientific method, we can (eventually) unlock all the secrets of the universe.
The key is that we also have to admit when we're wrong or came to the wrong conclusions due to lack of information.
Religion however purports to have all the answers, right now, with no evidence or research required. It also insists that not only should we accept religion's answers, we must take it on faith and not test those answers via reason or evidence. We must take it ALL on faith.

My issue with religions isn't the people who follow it (except for maybe the zionist golems who slavishly follow a Jewish pervertion of Christianity), it's with the insistence that one cannot question the religion.
Religion is guilty of the logical fallacies of begging the question and circular logic.
It offers nothing in the way of expanding our knowledge or understanding.
I cannot believe a God who made all this would want his creation to be so self constrained the way religion demands we be.

If beings exist, they are not supernatural.

religion isn't philosophy. I claim that religion exists to encourage a certain rule set and common interest for society - nothing more.

>electrons in all atoms in universe
>quantum entanglement means they’re one connected field
>consciousness as far as we understand it is emergent in a complex electrical network
>every electron in the universe changes energy state when the atoms receive energy
>therefore there is a literally universal electrical quantum-entangled network monitoring the energy state of every atom in the cosmos
>that includes the electrons in our own brains

>we don’t understand how/why our own brain is conscious
>but you, a child, know for 100% certain, enough to be smug about it, that the universal electric field couldn’t possibly be conscious because muh normalcy bias

It could also know the future just by extrapolation of matter positions and momentums.

Which can be done without religion.

>god has always existed
>doesn't think the universe can do the same thing

so only God can get away without having an adequate explanation? religion makes you a brainlet.

>Jesus died to save you
You mean he was put to death. I can't brook human sacrifice.

>The wages of sin is death
Is this before or after taxes?

> if his father, God had not raised him up from the dead he would still be in that tomb.
People who ((( die ))) but it's just for the weekend is not even a bad joke.

sure, but there isn't really good evidence of it. The western world is successful and was based on Christianity. That's a topic for another thread.

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The older i grow and experience also has been an epiphany. I was when I was younger than teenage angst now I feel it more than ever. To each his own.

Also, you’re assuming God will be comprehensible to you, lol.

It’s self evident that a universe that follows causality must have had a prime cause. It can’t go back ad infinitum and we already know it doesn’t. There has to be something ‘above’ it.

Deism is an interesting take on thing, I agree. However, if such a being(/beings) exist, does this suggest we owe them our allegiance or worship?
Why would they bother to be involved?
I don't dismiss the idea that perhaps there are being of such immense power and perspective that they would appear to be like gods to us, but I don't see why they deserve our worship or allegiance.
They haven't earned it as far as we can tell.
Either they created all of this and then left or they're still here secretly manipulating events and offering favors to those who worship them.

Does the man who gives you favors for dedicating your life to him deserve your loyalty or allegiance? Or would you expect more than unverifiable favors from that person? Would you be somewhat turned off by such a person in general, for expecting you to worship them or be loyal to them because they manipulate you with favors?

So you'd be OK if the world was Muslim because then everybody would follow the same rule set and common interest.
Oh, I see.

>t. heretic

Here is the truth with ACTUAL scripture to back it up.

Dead people are feeling the heat of everlasting fire and inhaling brimstone FOREVER and feel every second of the torture they go through.

> And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name

> And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Jesus is the Lord; he is God. God is made up of three persons.

>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

> For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

> But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom

Real atheist here. Most anti-theists are actually closet zealots and merely hate God for whatever reason. Because:
1.) Nobody these days willingly does a service for others without compensation.
2.) They're not being objective when they make their arguments. Even if God is fake, having magic sky daddy there to judge you when you shove all manor of foreign objects up your ass is enough to deter such actions.
3.) They are ultimately implying that all the degeneracy going on in the world is okay, even if the sexual revolution and rise of "tolerance" are the main causes of cultural collapse. And they do this because they themselves partake in it.

You can see through their "train wreck of logic" by simply examining what they advocate for.

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We know the universe had a beginning. That requires an external/higher cause.

pick your poison. all religions are flawed. If you can somehow create a society with no religion that functions well, you are a god in my eyes. It has never been done before. But I digress, atheists are NPCs. Something it out there, call it what you want.

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How many atheists ONLY lack a belief? Many of them believe that God doesn't exist

>The western world is successful and was based on Christianity.
The opposite is true. The world languished in primitive misery for centuries because of religious tyranny and the rejection of any science not approved by the church.

Talk about cherry-picking, dishonest retard.

You see this is the problem with religion though. The same problem of no explicit evidence for secular ethics/morality exists within religion.
Once religion was dismantled with reason and evidence contrary to its own assertions, you saw what we have today.
I agree that some kind of binding agent for society is required, and the fall of Christianity on the west has been tragic. But religion offers no more than secular philosophy does at this point.

where does a circle begin?

Nothingness is a quantum foam. Infinite nothing has infinite uncertainty, which is the necessary condition for the big bang.

I know for a fact through experience. You can to. God does reveal himself

>we know the universe had a begining
time was create in the big bang so there was no time before the universe meaning there literally has never been a time the universe hasn't existed

>that requires an external higher power
putting god outside the universe essentially means he doesn't exist. religion makes you a brainlet.

>Even if God is fake, having magic sky daddy there to judge you when you shove all manor of foreign objects up your ass is enough to deter such actions.

The opposite is also true though. If you believe you're on god's good side you can justify harmful actions i.e. genocide.

>nothing creates nothing
What created god then? Also, how do you know that nothing creates nothing?
>Since we are here
Are we, though? Can you prove it?

The heat death of the universe will be finite. As the substance of the universe becomes infinitely thin across infinite time, uncertainty in the system will trend once more towards infinity.

There is literally no logic in your post. It makes literally no sense. Congratulations, you're a retard.

God is infinite. All knowing. All seeing. All powerful. All creative. And infinite.

>Easy, nothing creates nothing.
You don't even know what "nothing" is. And you're right. Nothing probably doesn't exist. Every space of this universe is teeming FULL of particles. We've never once observed a space that truly void of anything at all.
You sound like a 13'th century armchair scientist, back before we were even aware that microbes existed.
You are wrong.

Meh. I have an internal dialogue, I question my assumptions and my conclusions all the time.
Maybe there is a race of interdimensional being who created what we call reality, or maybe there isn't.
But the question is, why should we worship them?
If your neo-deism is to work, you need to offer more modern solutions and answers.
"God of the gaps" only works for as long as those gaps in understanding exist. Once they're closed by understanding and answers, you need to find new gaps to place God in.

>God is infinite. All knowing. All seeing. All powerful. All creative. And infinite.
>I have no evidence, mind you.

This is something we cannot understand because in this state we cannot conceive of infinity. God was always there. But this is really impossible to understand until you have probably thousands of years of life experience. You can't really intellectually know this either. No equation will justify it because it is outside of the world of math and logic God has built for us.

I am uncertain of my proximity to God.

Psalm 147:5 - Great [is] our Lord, and of great power: his understanding [is] infinite.

1 John 3:20 - For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

Isaiah 40:28 - Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, [that] the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? [there is] no searching of his understanding.

Jeremiah 23:24 - Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

Wrong. Something that is infinite which God is always has and always will be. You cannot kill God because its not alive it just is. This is outside of our conception of life that science gives us and so looking at it through that lense is fruitless. It is just something we cannot understand, but through experience can come to accept. Time is not linear so much as curved, and it goes round and round and round and round with no start or end.

Quotes from people who never existed doesn't count as evidence my dude.

Actually, there is only God

checkmate niggas

They're not nothing though they're fields which can be measured. They're just non physical because physical can become on physical and vice versa. The physical is just rhe centralised concentration of the non physical. A force that has broken off its plane and localised in an area to give itself mass.

Supreme beings are how the jews control us

That's actually a good point. Time is an illusion. Experience and time are not the same. Once you step outside of time you understand its passage is an illusion. Once you escape this plane of lower laws to higher one's then time is irrelevant. Because anything becomes possible

God not only revealed himself through his Word. The Word IS God.

Read the Bible instead of coming up with stupid self-masturbatory armchair philosophy theories AAAAAHHHHHH.

> 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

> 2 The same was in the beginning with God.

> 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

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>assumes it’s a circle even when we only see one direction of time and we can literally trace light back to a definite beginning

There must have been a cause. An uncaused Big Bang is not rational or logical.

Just because you love to pretend you’re a mega genius, doesn’t make you rational or logical either. God, meaning at least the rock bottom creating force that could self sustain and cause the universe, is a requirement for anything to exist. That that thing is unexplainable isn’t my problem, it would be expected.

Your solution to this logical problem (that will never be solved with telescopes, only logic) is what? Not to look at it too deeply? Make up untestable fantasy multiverses that just push the problem back?

why the fuck can none of you offer arguments above high-school level?

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This. Most anti-theists are living a life in opposition to themselves.
They're not true secularists, they're hedonists.
They revolt against God and religion because they understand they're living in opposition to themselves.
I believe it was Saint Anthony who suggested/said that one cannot be free/have free will while being a prisoner to sin.
This is an astute observation, for the sins he was talking about are the very activities which our primitive and instinctual natures would hold us back with.
Some people live their entire lives enthralled by their most basic and primitive desires: sloth, wrath, gluttony, lust, pride, envy and greed.

These anti-theists are just prisoners to their degeneracy, their inner animal and they lash out with hatred and anger when anyone suggests that their lifestyle is in opposition to themselves.

Evidence is experiential. God runs your life as does mine. I am the driver but he makes the game. I cannot give you my own experiences. I couldn't so this for my sense of confidence or love. I can only tell you how I arrived at them and then it's up to you to want to experience God. It's not a physical good I can send via FedEx to you. You have to want to pursue and know God and truth and God will reveal himself to you when the time is right. It's pretty fucking surreal. But if you want it you can find it.

Because debunking Christianity is child's play.

Even if we live in the only universe, we nevertheless live also in an infinite multiverse. The finitude of the heat death (if true) proves this. The underlying nature of nothing as a carrier of uncertainty causes the big bang to be a cyclic event. Each iteration occurs under different conditions, without changing the nature of the underlying void, being therefore a temporary expression of a distinct universe which in illimitable time gives birth to another universe.

>There must have been a cause. An uncaused Big Bang is not rational or logical.

and it's more rational to believe it was a magical man who hides from us? nigger I'm not trying to seem like a genius you're just an idiot.

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