V.....Viruses never mutate to more lethal strains user

Viruses are alive, what a retarded bit if semantics.
Anything that reproduces itself is life, and yes that will include mechanites/replicants when they are created.

Anything that has to reproduce itself within the constraints of reality and finite resources is life and is subject to selective pressures determining which behaviors lead to reproductive success.

Computer viruses are not life because they do not exist in a finite environment and thus do not have to conform to the limits of reality to succeed.

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ironically kill yourself

>mutations are blind and more likely to increase lethality than decrease it
mutations are the most likely to do jack shit, as most of DNA and RNA is useless junk. even when they do have an effect, they are more likely to impede the virus rather than make it more infectious/deadly - but copies of the virus with defective mutations simply don't reproduce, hence there is a bias towards those rare mutations that cause the virus to become more infectious: if out of the trillions of copies made in a host there are thousands of mutated ones where the mutation 'broke' the virus, these thousand mutated copies are not going anywhere, but if just one copy manages to become more infectious, it's going to spread like crazy and create trillions of copies of itself quickly.

there are already dozens of documented corona mutations that didn't do anything except help us track the spread of the virus by genomic analysis

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>viruses arent alive

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>Anything that reproduces itself is life
by this definition crystals and internet memes are 'life'.

viruses don't really reproduce 'themselves', they are being reproduced by other cells. A virus doesn't do anything, it has no metabolism, it can't move, it doesn't eat or breathe, it just exists.
Virus is the equivalent of an e-mail that says 'please send me to all your friends and then kill yourself'

that's exactly how new virus strains come into being. mutation. who is claiming that viruses don't mutate?

I agree with you. This does not contradict anything I said.

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No, internet memes do not exist in a finite space.
What would the problem be if seed crystals were considered life?
They're called seeds, literally invoking the concept of life, so clearly it's not an altogether inappropriate comparison. Why can't they be called life? What impact would it have to call them life? They'd just be a particularly irrelevant form of life without the capacity for mutation and selection pressure, at the frontier between alive and dead.

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There's a low chance of this happening again you stupid nigger
Shill thread

>a leaf

>Source: dude trust me

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you just disproved evolution on micro and macro levels enjoy your nobel.

Czeched.
Leafs are a way better flag choice than three stripes of color like 99% of other countries. Good color scheme too, red and white. Just needs the black and a nice bold symbol in the middle and it'd be close to perfection.

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>inb4 muh second wave

No one said they never mutate into more lethal strains, only that it's less likely

I think I see what you're getting at

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>internet memes do not exist in a finite space
what do you mean by that? memes are information that is being spread by people, there is a finite number of people that a meme can 'infect'.
a virus is information encoded on an RNA or DNA molecule that is copied when a cell encounters it and executes the instructions.
a meme is information encoded with 1's and 0's on digital storage, which, while being able to contain orders of magnitude more information than a DNA molecule , is still finite. when a human encounters a meme, they create copies of the meme.

>Why can't they be called life? What impact would it have to call them life?

we can call life whatever we want, but by adding the definition of metabolism (or just being able to do anything by itself really) we're making a clear and easy distinction that also gives makes it easy to differentiate between stuff that is dead and stuff that is alive.
defining 'life' as anything that reproduces makes the definition blurry and useless and makes it even harder to differentiate between stuff that is alive and stuff that is dead (how do you kill a crystal? can you really 'kill' a virus if it shows no signs of life to begin with?)

American's are technically the most educated country by many standards, including statistics.

Why didnt common cold virus mutate to kill millions already?

Uh, hello, based department?

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Something tells me you're not exactly a mechanic.

They arent, nigger.
Just because something has own DNA and reproduces when introduced to host organism, doeabt mean its alive. If those were the requirements to considers something alive, then prions would be alive aswell.

An organism has to have metabolic functions going on. Id it has not, then its just a dead protein which causes illnesses.

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this is high school biology, leaf. A virus is a self-replicating mechanism, but doesn't meet the full criteria for being considered alive. Can't remember what the list is.

"A virus with higher infectivity and lower lethality will be more successful and reproduce more, and outcompete more lethal strains."

this is not true, at least in the case for corona because it has a long asymptomatic period even the most lethal strain can effectively spread easily during the asymptomatic stage of the infection therefore after this period is over it does not matter if the host dies due to the virus being super lethal as the virus has done most of is spreading while the host did not have any symptoms.........

>Why didnt common cold virus mutate to kill millions already
in a way it has - common cold isn't a single virus, it's caused when you are infected by one of several hundred identified viruses. among them are rhinoviruses, influenza and four coronaviruses.
SARS-COV2 isn't directly descended from any of the human coronaviruses, but they are somewhat related

>it does not matter if the host dies
it does, because if a virus doesn't cause serious symptoms the host will keep on spreading the disease for many weeks while the deadly virus will eventually incapacitate the host and prevent them from spreading it further, therefore the mild virus has an edge an will spread more.
this is why influenza infects billions but ebola doesn't, even though the latter is technically more infectious.

If you found a virus on Mars it would be life on Mars though.

WW1

>if a virus doesn't cause serious symptoms the host will keep on spreading the disease for many weeks

yeah this is what i meant by the asymptomatic period of the infection, whereby there is little or no symptoms, corona has a asymptomatic period of up to 3 weeks in some cases......

after that even if the virus was super deadly and killed the host, it won't matter as it would have done its spreading during this period.....

>it won't matter as it would have done its spreading during this period
well, exactly - the deadly virus would be done spreading, while a virus that is exactly the same but doesn't kill would keep spreading even further.

putting aside the fact that the 3 weeks of incubation is rare and it's usually much shorter, let's do a simple comparison:

the deadly virus is spreading for 3 weeks, then the host develops serious symptoms and goes to a hospital/dies.
the milder virus is spreading for 3 weeks, the host develops mild symptoms and has mild cough for 2 more weeks before they recover - so the virus has been spreading for 5 weeks, two more weeks than the deadly virus. Therefore, lethality is disadvantagous for the virus.

Wuhan Flu has been rapidly mutating since the start.

you're technically not wrong, but, the modern era has changed this dynamic in civilized nations.
At current, people with a mild illness isolate themselves at home.
In contrast, those with a serious illness are shuttled through the public (medevac), taken to an epicenter of further public contact (hospital), and interact with personnel that engage with other infirmed patients.
These are primary, secondary, and tertiary contacts accessible by more fatal than moderate infections.

40 mutations already

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It's nonsense, there is no reason why a virus would evolve to be milder, except when it's so lethal it fails to spread, in which case it still means a near extermination of the host population.

well, if you take this logic even further, we made it even more disadvantagous for a virus to become deadly because back in the Middle Ages when people had no idea about how diseases spread there was little they could do but to just get infected and die.
nowadays when we identify a new deadly disease we isolate the infected, introduce quarantine, tell everyone to wash their hands, start developing cures and vaccines and we contain the outbreak - while rhinovirus or seasonal flu can roam free and infect billions and noone gives a shit because it doesn't kill almost anyone

>A super strain emerged
>Killed all hosts before it could spread
>Went extinct
Yes. THAT is why the viruses don't mutate into the more lethal strains.

your example is not accurate in the current climate....

if a person has mild symptoms no one in the current climate is going to want to be around them as they want to avoid illness, either that or the person who has a mild cough will isolate themselves thus also preventing spread.....

therefore there is no clear distinct advantage of having a mild version of the virus as either a deadly or mild virus will only have the asymptomatic stage to effectively spread......

What is the list?

>Viruses have an incentive

Wrong. You're thinking of parasites, viruses don't care if they form equilibrium with a body, their only purpose is to destroy

i mean he's kind of right. say you replace a random part without knowing what it is but it turns out it was the timing chain and you put a bad one in. your engine is toast.

Because any time a pathogen mutates to be more deadly, the host evolves to resist it better, by the susceptible individuals dying.

>JUST WAIT 2 MORE WEEKS BRO IT'S SO REAL
Film your hospital.

Doesn't mater, if the deadly strain infect ten times as many people sue to the high viral load

also your theories don't aren't justified based on real world examples of viruses.........

for example smallpox killed 56 million, Spanish flu killed 40 - 50 million, hiv killed 25 - 35 million....

if it was advantageous for viruses to mutate to become less lethal then why did these viruses remain deadly and therefore kill so many people ???

According to your theory they should have become mutated to become mild and killed far fewer people........but they didn't !

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Wrong. Potentially it could happen, but statistically speaking it only happens extremely seldom. Basically effective likely hood is so close to zero it’s zero in the terms of human existence.
>the average symptomatic mutation will tend to be more lethal in the same way that changing a random part in a car is more likely to cause the engine to tear itself apart.
Not bad, but a near miss. Most viruses reproduce so crappy most Viruses aren’t even able do infect people or so ineffective they basically have no chance in the real world.
The Spanish flu likely didn’t become worse in the second wave, but in the second wave documentation was better, because it was kept secret in the first wave by the war nations, since you don’t tell your enemy your 20-35 year old men are currently ill or dying. After the war often people were even more starved and conditions were in many parts worse than during the war. We basically don’t really have a clue how bad the first wave was. Speaking from my family I doubt the claims about up to a high single digit number dying. They almost all had it I think in the second wave and it wasn‘t very serious in anyone of them, but then again they weren’t starving, so maybe it’s not fair. We do know less about the numbers than we think, so probably this stuff about the bad second wave is likely misleading.

BIO ENGINEERED VIRUSES GO BACK TO
THEIR BENIGN STATE IN LESS THAN FOUR
YEARS.

There will come a time when crystals are used as computers, at which point the crystals will not only reproduce using resources, but also have intelligence, meaning that they will be considered life by standard definitions.

Not really just by looking at money spent per capita and by bachelor degree holders per capita. Reality is money is wasted on people who can’t be educated, diploma mills lowering standards and affirmative action really doesn’t make your nation smarter as a hole.

There has been significant discussion regarding how memes, and ideas in general, behave frighteningly similarly to a life form.

only a fucking retard would say that viruses can't evolve into a deadlier strain
it's like saying a nigger can become a human, ridicules

How did the Spanish flu ever go away?

>viruses don't mutate into the more lethal strains

that's true only statistically

you would be surprised, so many people here claim that viruses only mutate to become weaker which is not true !