Where is the evidence for God?

there seems to be no reasoning with those who refuse to drop their positive empiricist kikery
perhaps our forefathers were right to just kill these repulsive little faggots

Look outside fren. Can you deny the feeling you get when you see the beautify trees in bloom while the birds sing? This is evidence of god. The complexity of life and the universe in general didnt come from nowhere for no reason.

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I never understood this question.

Watchmaker. Non-argument. There isn't a God just because things appear pretty to you.

There's a lot of people who've basically never put anything traceable into the global internet. They think about the way they'd get abused for doing so - and even the way they'd abuse others for doing so - and it hardly occurs to them at all that they're simultaneously complying with and creating a system that severely limits them.

What does that have to do with God? What indeed.

Define God.

You've never understood asking for evidence of proclamations?

Have you smoked dmt yet?

JEWS ARE GOD CHOSEN PEOPLE
THATS WHY PEOPLE FOLLOW JESUS
JESUS WAS A JEW

fpbp

An intelligent, supernatural creator of the Universe.

well see your problem is you feel owed evidence for a question of faith.

>it's ok to believe in something with no evidence

Idiotic.

The arguments for Gods and Jesus have to be made seperately. For if one does not accept the very premise of God, then one need not argue that he became flesh.

Arguments for God:
1.1 Every contingent fact has an explanation.
1.2 There is a contingent fact that includes all other contingent facts.
1.3 Therefore, there is an explanation of this fact.
1.4 This explanation must involve a necessary being.
2.1 Good and Evil exist in some form
2.2 For Good and Evil to exist they must be absolutes otherwise they would be mere opinions
2.3 Good and Evil cannot be part of the material realm for then they would be either subject to change and time or subjective creations aka opinions.
2.4 Good and Evil exist outside the material universe
3.1 The mind is the most complex thing
3.2 Since 1.2 is right, there must be something more complex than the mind
3.3 There must exist some kind of super mind
Combine the necessary being of 1.4, the supreme Good of 2.4 (for evil is perversion of Good and not a dualist entity) and the highest mind from 3.3 into one thing for the highest simplicity and call that being God.

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Yes, I have. Saw no God. Experienced weird shit but maybe that's because there was a compound being introduced to my brain in enough amounts to cause hallucination. Crazy, right?

This board is so fucking bluepilled when it comes to religion that it's not even funny

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Arguments for Jesus:
1.1 There existed a historical Jesus in some form. (The historical evidence is overhelming and to deny his existence in any form is akin to denying the existence of Alexander or Ceasar.)
1.2 This Jesus was not just a "good moral teacher"
- claimed to be able to forgive sins
- claimed to have supreme judgement over others
- claimed to have supreme authority over others
- claimed to return after death
1.3 Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic or the Lord.
1.3 A Jesus was a liar:
- According to human nature we only lie if we think to gain from it. Jesus was martyred for his "lies" and never dropped the act. Additionally he kept all his "lies" straight over the course of his life.
1.3 B Jesus was a lunatic
- If Jesus was a lunatic why was he able to argue with the pharisses in the temple so well. Why are his words so consistent? Why was he able to amass so many fallowers? Why didn't the Romans pronounce him a lunatic?
1.4 Jesus is who he claims to be.

Everything that is not encompassed in the liar, lunatic, lord-trilema just shifts the same arguments on the apostles.
Instead of one liar, twelve existed who were all martyred for a lie they had no reason to keep.
Instead of one lunatic, twelve existed that suffered from the same mass dillusion and kept the story straight for the rest of their lives.
Since the Arguments for God created the possibility of a metaphysical realm, Jesus being Lord is not an impossible explanation.

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>This explanation must involve a necessary being.

You are injecting logic without back the logic up. You are also assuming that if this were true, it is YOUR specific rendition of a deity that is it. A literal God of the Gaps.

I don't understand not seeing the evidence.

Seeing that people like you exist is proof that he's real and this is my punishment for being a sinner.

>If Jesus was a lunatic why was he able to argue with the pharisses in the temple so well. Why are his words so consistent?

Knowing how to word your arguments doesn't mean you're not a lunatic, nor does it mean you're automatically correct.

Alright, so where is the evidence?

Souls are based in a primitive misunderstanding of the nature of air itself, being particulate matter.

They understood that if you couldn't breathe, you died, but they didn't know that air was made of particles, and thought your essence was trying to escape when you sneezed.

You're old enough to know that souls aren't real,
stop playing pretend.

Also, OP asked for Evidence.
Souls are not evidence because they are not evident, nor are they positive indication of any conclusion over any other conclusion.

Souls are indistinguishable from fantasy because they aren't real.

Here is a model of an elf space wizard in a canoe. It is still more real than a 'soul'.
Feel free to post photos of souls.

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Absolutely a non-argument. Weak.

How would you explain the complexity of our natural world? Do you think it's really just all one big random fluke?

Jesus is a good example of how a gentleman should behave.

>intelligent
That's a hard one because it seems the laws of nature were built into creation, so I'm not sure if it's intelligent design or natural law, or if they're the same thing.
>supernatural
Nothing is superior to Nature. God is the epitome of natural.
>creator of the Universe
Energy created the Universe.

Thank you. Finally at least 1 other person on here with a shred of rationale when it comes to religion.

Define "random". Matter acts according to the known laws of physics.

>it is YOUR specific rendition of a deity that is it. A literal God of the Gaps.
Go forward and define God then.
The ancients always defined God as the unexplainable great mystery.
Try better and then we can argue about your subjective opinion what (a) God is not.

Explain how without exposing your pop-culture media indoctrination by spouting a reddit-tier non-argument.

Alright, so could you consider God to just be the natural Universe? No intelligence? No singular entity? Just the amalgamation of the natural processes of this reality?

An intelligent, singular entity responsible for the formation of the Universe.

God is like rape, you gotta just listen and believe

Should have put a more similar explanation to 1.3A.
I will update this in future versions. Cheers

Is that not what you think humans are, or are you stupid enough to be a materialist and simultaneously believe in free will?

Awh, cute. Setting arbitrary boundaries for my responses when you'll already call any response I give "Reddit-tier". Intellectual dishonesty at its finest.

I personally consider God to be Energy, or the Energy of the Universe.
It checks off most of the major religions' aspects of God.

When did I say I believe in free will? Don't strawman me.

Based and Turin-pilled.

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Asking for evidence for "God" is like asking the evidence for "space", it highlights a complete misunderstanding and lack of basic metaphysical notions and the nature of the word "God" and what this word means.
If one understand the notion of "God" it's not a matter of evidence or even faith, it's a matter of knowing.

I dun get it, everywhere.

what exactly does 'supernatural' mean?
Is that a code for 'not real'?

I think we both know the answer to that.
Go on, describe the mechanisms utilized to create a universe. Was it powered by pixiedust from a magic genies bunghole?

How do we tell the difference between magic bunghole dust and the explanation you're offering?

Thanks. Its nice to also see an American flag that isn't spouting insano whackadoo fantasy makebelieve nonsense.
America has had some truly fantastic thinkers and creators in its time. Philosophers and artists.

Then theres the insano makebelieve pretend people that keep on usurping all your education boards and political positions.
Good luck Ameri -kun.

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>mad cult leaders never tell lies
What a premise.
Are Witnesses correct in that blood transfusions are evil? There are several cases of them dying from not accepting blood so they must be right. Or they're just loons

So basically you can apply the word "God" to any aspect of the Universe and claim victory? Sounds like an easy cop out.

>1.4 This explanation must involve a necessary being.
Dishonest wording. Cause, not "being".

>2.1 Good and Evil exist in some form
Yes, as concepts of morality.

>2.2 For Good and Evil to exist they must be absolutes otherwise they would be mere opinions
What is moral is indeed an opinion.

>2.3 Good and Evil cannot be part of the material realm for then they would be either subject to change and time or subjective creations aka opinions.
What is good and evil changes quite frequently over time.

Rest of these points are just wrong.

>1.1 There existed a historical Jesus in some form.
No evidence proves Jesus was more then a mortal religious leader.

>1.3 Jesus was either a liar, a lunatic or the Lord.
Your arguments for the first two are terrible reasoning. There have been both proven liars who couldn't admit it under torture of threat of death, and lunatics who were remarkably well-spoken. See cultists, etc.

Rest of this post is just poor, very gapped logic.

Processes or entities that are either above natural processes, or can't be explained by natural means.

I don't know what exactly created the Universe. It's better to admit my unknowing than to make up an answer with no backing evidence.

you know it's an underaged b& when this kinda thesaurus-speak comes out.
what is the difference between intellect and free will.

no
the easy cop out is clearly yours, attacking a strawman version of "God" and "claming victory"

Random would be a system without order. Such a system is what I'm arguing against. Where did the laws of physics come from if not the creator?

Is it possible for Christians to see God in any other way than the Judeo-Christian view? You can be Christian and still contemplate other ways to view God.

I describe this in >Intelligent
Point 3.1-3.3
>Signular entity
Point 2.1-2.4
>Responsible for the creation of the universe
Point 1.1-1.4, is a very short version of the argument of the first being / first think / unmoved mover but put in more mathematical terms (Gödel's ontological proof).

>Why didn't the Romans pronounce him a lunatic?
This is mad reasoning. The man was justly executed as an upstart cult leader. Shame on you disparaging the Emperor's justice

Except Knowledge is something that can be demonstrated and measured in its accuracy.

You're talking about confidence trickster nonsense.

Apologetics themselves are an argument against Gods, because if they were real there wouldn't be any need for discussion.

Where are the photos of gods?
We've had the camera for hundreds of years now nearly.

Is your god Camera shy? Or can he only do his magic when theres no credible witnesses around?

don't know user, i'm searching for it too but can't find it :(

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>he uses words I don't understand therefore wrong

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The colloquial version of God. Don't act like the word God is as ambiguous as you claim it to be.

The hard problem of consciousness is at least evidence that there is a spiritual reality in addition to the mere material one.

As for some specific God, that's a tougher question.

Nobody knows. The best thing we can do at this point in time is ask questions and look at the evidence the Universe provides.

>There have been both proven liars who couldn't admit it under torture of threat of death, and lunatics who were remarkably well-spoken. See cultists, etc.

A perfect textbook example of projection.

>evidence that there is a spiritual reality
where?

The evidence for God is apparent to all in creation. Literally all of creation is proof of God’s existence starting with yourself. the fact that he has written his law on your heart. Aka your conscious. You know lying and stealing is wrong. The earth and every created thing declares the Glory of God and his existence. Your inability to believe is not an intellectual issue it’s a moral issue. You hate God and love your sin more. You know that if you acknowledge The truth you know about God then you’re going to have to also acknowledge your sin for what it is, pure evil. Read Romans 1:18 through the rest of the chapter also. It describes you.

YOU FUCKING LIAR.

You ARE claiming to know, you claimed 'God Did It'.

The fact that god is a non answer with no explanatory power, and the LITERAL DEFINITION of the SPECIAL PLEADING FALLACY can't have eluded you, can it?

I'm willing to say 'I don't know' about some matters, YOU are the one who is saying 'A genie did it'.

What does 'above' natural processes mean? What reason do you have for adding unnesicary steps to the process? You haven't justified the baggage you're adding by trying to give credit to a space wizard.
Don't you even realise that?

You are a spirit on a human journey, not a human on a spiritual journey.

Deductive evidence.

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fine tuning, origin of life, conscience + deep memory = soul, origin of the universe, light and dark occult visual and auditory experiences, twin flame psychic experiences, and more!

look around

Evidence?

up ur butt and around the corner

Rainbows

This is accounted for by evolution and us being a social species.

Your FUCKING DOG knows stealing is 'naughty'.
I'm supposed to believe dogs are Christians now, thats your argument? Lol. getaloadofthisretard.jpg

When did I claim that God did it? When?

When did I say "a genie did it"?

How can you be this intellectually dishonest lmfao?

Paul says in his letter to the Romans that the evidence of God can be seen in the things around us that he has made

Literal Watchmaker. Non-argument.

Define and elaborate.

>A perfect textbook example of projection.
What? What am I projecting? Is the implication that I am a pathological liar, cultist or lunatic?
Do I need to link to suicide cults, highly charismatic mass murderers, or executed spies? Because the history exists.

Who cares what Paul said lmfao? Watchmaker isn't an argument.

Your soul is not your body, every Christianity understands that. You body is matter, but the soul is energy.
You ARE your soul, not your body. (((Modern Culture))) would rather you think you are your body and not your soul.

There's no evidence for any god. It's a belief taken on faith and each individual needs their own reason to take up faith. My faith comes from seeing the beauty of nature and the wonderful little coincidences that surprise me when I least expect it.

In any case, theistic belief is stupid. The pragmatic reason for faith is to provide the metaphysical glue to keep societies oriented around FAMILY and COMMUNITY and not mortal fabrications of governments and power

Post 1/2:

God is what most people call "Universe" and It is in a constant state of change due to It's fractal nature and death-rebirth cycle forever, and the fact, that It always was and always will be (just in different states) is a proof in itself, that It is above and beyond all, because human logic dictates, that everything at least must have the beginning, so if something didn't "begin", yet it always was and is, then it has a quality of what people assume only God would have. God is the Universe itself and everything in it, that includes you too, the air we all breath in is also part of God, the soil on which we all walk is part of God too - put it all together, all that exists and you have the One, God - the source of everything. Universe/God/Nature - whatever you want to call it - it's one and the same thing. Everything is alive, everything is pure consciousness - physical "reality" is just our perception and consciousness is the most basic "building block" from which everything else is created. Creator and Creation is not separate and THE ULTIMATE POINT OF IT ALL is to gather all the pieces together and become One again. The Universe is like an egg. What physicists call the "Big Bang" is the shattering of an egg, so all the contents spill (death of the Universe). The expansion of the Universe is the process of spilling contents of the egg, then the Universe will begin to shrink back (kind of like a gestation process) to It's original form of One, where all the contents of the egg are inside it and the Universe is in one extremely small and extremely dense "point". When that happens, then due to It's extreme density, internal "pressure" will cause It to explode again and It's going to "die" again (Big Bang / shattering of an egg), rebirth again and die again and rebirth again and so on for infinity.

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God is neither good nor evil. God is perfectly balanced. God is the Universe itself and everything in It and Universe has duality nature, which after fusion of two extreme opposites creates the "Holy Trinity". The real, original and intended meaning of the Trinity is two extreme opposites and the fusion of them. Neither is better than the other one and each of them posses qualities that the other one doesn't and it is the fusion of both of them that gives us the best outcome. It is the balance between two extreme opposites that at the end of the day always wins. Neither right nor left is better than the other, neither obese nor anorectic is better than the other, neither hot nor cold is better than the other etc. Trinity is one of the the Universal Truths, that can be applied to absolutely everything and the ancient as well as modern intellectual elite has been encoding this fact for thousands of years in many things, especially buildings. It is the BALANCE between two extreme opposites that's the best. This is the Universal Truth and is the true, original and now occultistic meaning of the Trinity, now hidden behind the veil of allegories in order to ensure, that only select few can know and fully understand it, because not everybody deserves to posses that kind of knowledge due to a tremendous amount of power it can potentially give to a right person.

See for example Gothic cathedrals or the famous painting known as "The Last Supper" and you will see the hidden symbolism of the Trinity/Triptych encoding the knowledge about the nature of God/Universe.

Look at the background of The Last Supper:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/The_Last_Supper_Leonardo_Da_Vinci_High_Resolution_size_32x16.jpg

For more information about God, read here:

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That's in my first part.
I think Zoroastrians come close but drift to easily into dualism.
I also like the Hindu notion of everything is God but it drifts eventually into materialism as those gods all remain part of our universe.

>What is moral is indeed an opinion.
You cannot have any dialogue or discussion at all. And nobody is able to live this conviction to its ultimate extant. So if I were to say that my opinion that you deserve to be shot is equally valid as your pleas for life.

>Are Witnesses correct in that blood transfusions are evil? There are several cases of them dying from not accepting blood so they must be right. Or they're just loons
I don't understand what you want to say

>Dishonest wording. Cause, not "being".
"Being" as in something that exist. Since we are not talking about the material realm, a manifested cause is and therefore is a being.

Look around you. You can see things. That’s an asinine idea but think about what’s behind your eyes perceiving reality. Do computers have a perception of reality. They are digital machines. You are a biological machine with many moving parts and chemical reactions taking place. Why is it that humans are self aware and not simply what they are, biological machines that take inputs and respond accordingly? Is it because the brain is so complex this consciousness thing just emerges out of it? Even still, what is that entity in the cranium which is feeling and suffering? There’s a perception there, which is strapped to your brain and experiences the things going on within it, and stops experiencing when that cockpit malfunctions or ceases to be.

How do you know this?

There is none.

>Where did the laws of physics come from if not the creator?
this is like eyeballing some extremely complex equation and going "yeah, the answer is 5" while neither of us knows how to solve it. i can just shit out a random number too but that doesn't get us anywhere so stop acting like you know the answer. you don't know shit.

So God isn't an intelligent entity? Just the Universe?

q.e.d, another imbecile attacking strawman versions of "God"
asking for "pictures of god" is like asking to pinpoint "space" to a particular location(putting the cart before the horse error), God is understood as the principle of universal manifestation, the unmoved mover, prime cause, whatever, and ontologically prior to manifestation itself
needless to say, I'm not talking about any specific "God" from particular religions

In Africa

That's not evidence. There must be objective evidence presented.

"Things appear purty there Gawd" is the most retarded arguments religiouscucks present

Well, Paul goes on to say that because of the evidence seen around us of God's creation, that we are ultimately without excuse for not knowing Him

The pragmatist choice.
And the wise politicians.

And where is the evidence of this God?

Irony. There is way too much irony in this world for there not to be a God.

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There is no evidence around us.

>I don't understand what you want to say
You said Christ surely must not have been a lying cult leader because ge died for his beliefs. Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in blood transfusions and several have died because of this. Does this mean they are right to refuse blood transfusions?

>as above so below
>light and dark duality
>hidden knowledge
Thats not what the bible says

You are right about God being the infinite all pattern though Ive seen it myself. Some things have been obscured.

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You're using the word 'Energy' dishonestly because all religion has is lies.

ENERGY is a term with meaning.
ENERGY is MEASURABLE, in Joules or Volts or Watts.

What is the measurement of a 'soul' energy?
You don't need to answer this because souls
AREN'T FUCKING REAL they come from a misunderstanding of the nature of AIR.

revealing himself would violate our free will...

>Why is it that humans are self aware and not simply what they are, biological machines that take inputs and respond accordingly?
why wouldn't we be biological machines that take inputs and respond accordingly? are you actually retarded enough to believe in free will? lmaoing at your life

>but the soul is energy.
That's not what energy means. Energy can be detected, measured and contained or transformed into another form. Can you do a single one of these things with a soul? No, because souls don't exist.

Jej, not evidence

How convenient

Pics or GTFO faggot

Of course I disagree

If there were irrefutable empirical evidence would that change anything?

proof of free will, thanks

>You cannot have any dialogue or discussion at all. And nobody is able to live this conviction to its ultimate extant. So if I were to say that my opinion that you deserve to be shot is equally valid as your pleas for life.
I don't understand what you mean with your first statement. Changes in morality being affected by public opinion can be historically proven. See honorable fealty, causal murder or the lower classes, and what people used to do to animals for fun in the Dark Ages for examples of things people used to not take issue with. I can provide more examples if you are somehow okay with all those things.
If you thought it morally correct to shoot someone for no reason, I would argue that your morality is shit and different from pretty much all of common consensus, and possibly indicative of insanity. But not that it violates a certain religious tenement. Secular morality exists.

So prove it.

It would be bad news for the bad guys. You’d be crazy not to choose the path of light. All but the end of free will.

if you understand the notion(you don't), it's not a matter of any complex evidence, but rather of necessity, countless arguments have been proposed to help people like you grasp it but it's a fools errand
the argument from the Aristotelian distinction between act/potency and the "evidence" of the ever changing nature of things would perhaps be one of the most basic ones, but nowadays every teenager thinks he had debunked 3000 years of metaphysics

I personally define the soul as the body's electrical current.

It would change our view of the Universe.

I didn’t come from no monkey

Souls are like a unique identifier for a being its more like information than energy, you cant inhabit someone else, you are you, why is that?