Some time ago, I realized we cannot depend on the Internet forever. It can be shut down and manipulated. So, I took it upon myself to develop a decentralized communications network, where we can have the same functionalities as on the Internet, such as communicate, send files (pictures, videos, memes, documents, payments, anything really) but that it does not rely on the Internet. Instead, it relies on LEGAL radio-based devices that act as nodes in a mesh network.
> TO JANNIES WHY IS THIS POLITICAL? Right now the Elites are about to pass something called the EARN IT bill (archive.is/3rWM7) which will prevent encrypted communications online if passed, and BeeChat is the solution to that problem, since it is encrypted at its core. It is also based on the ZigBee protocol, making it 100% legal to use without any license.
>WHO AM I To put it bluntly I want our future generations to be safe from the Elites and their NWO. I will stay on this thread for a bit to answer some questions and doubts. (no I am not a Q-tard)
I will release the first version in April, since I realize this technology could be truly a life saver during the current virus crisis (and coming recession). I am posting it on Yas Forums as it is the heart of the Internet. Anything that starts here eventually spreads to MSM and every corner of the Internet like wildfire. Be it left, or right, at this point it doesn't matter. The more nodes there are on the BeeChat network the better it performs.
>TLDR; The main concept is basically bringing cheap data-based radio dongles to everyone. I got a lot of questions last time I posted this, let's grow this community lads
Bump. So you'll rely on other people to use this for infrastructure, like crypto currency but with radio waves?
Jaxon White
Does it come with USB-C?
Brayden Young
In regards to internet bridges vs ham relays I think they are different use cases and both should be developed. Ham relays can be used to connect the XBee networks together over longer distances. However most people's devices are currently internet ready meaning that a lot of the traffic could be routed via the internet instead of via XBee. That would alleviate the mesh scaling problem. When shtf and the internet goes down the network can fall back to reliance on XBee and Ham. Networks would probably be fragmented therefore throughput demand would be lower. Also those are survival scenarios where only essential traffic would be necessary.
Nathan Jones
Just get an adapter, what's the problem? or for me to understand what you mean, why do you ask this?
Exactly. Was talking with an user in the last thread to have hams with licenses operate gateways between longer distances. But normal people wouldn't need a license to communicate at all.
Zachary King
Tell your bull to buy your wife a $2 adapter.
Kayden Harris
So you are saying we should also make the same program but that it uses Internet, how would that work? I'm interested in this please do share
It runs on Linux right? My thinking is that the software can detect whether there is an active internet connection and if so it can route traffic through the internet to other internet connected devices, to take pressure off the network. It would also serve as a long distance bridge. One caveat would be needing to get those packets to the non-internet connected devices, perhaps non-internet connected devices could broadcast their lack of internet and then internet connected devices know they need to share those packets with those devices over XBee or something. I am just brainstorming.
Christian Flores
nice try, fed boy
Zachary Ross
based
Dylan Myers
That way we would need some form of database of which device is who as well though, right?
Joseph Taylor
You don't give them a URL or search bar, just a list of what they can access. Pictures and graphics on the advertising/website that sells it that makes it fucking clear it's text only. As discussed, for long-range links I'd recommend using HAM at much higher power and frequencies. Everyone locally uses the normal modules, people like you the long range modules, and then a couple people with radio licences per town use much higher power gear on special frequencies. >Internet connections aren't usually down long enough for people to actually look for an alternative Get ready now, and if there are long range outages, the system will be there as an alternative. When the one guy in a city who knows how to un-fuck a specific widget has been watching too much fox news and refuses to leave his underground shipping container bunker, and can't SSH in to fix it because his internet's down too, you're gonna see long, widespread outages. There was a case in America where the entire east coast went offline because one factory misconfigured their routers. So you have government-controlled blackouts, accidental fuckups by ISP's/breakdown, accidental fuckups by customers, and malicious attacks. I may not be an expert here, but I am a CCNA, and I know just how fragile this whole fucking thing is. The internet is the first piece of critical infrastructure to fail, it's also the most fragile. Have everything ready to go beforehand. Even if the net goes down, the few people who are chatting over mesh will be able to place orders and have shit shipped to them, which they can sell locally.
Aaron Cook
I don't see why there can't be an elegant decentralized solution. Not saying it would be simple but neither are mesh networks in the first place.
Nathan Watson
The United States government is already doing this for upcoming internet blackouts. 8kun will be a back channel still open.
William Thomas
Bump. People like you are the people we all need, user. If we always rely on technology provided by the Elite we will always be at their mercy.
Brayden Carter
bump
Angel Cooper
banp
Benjamin Gutierrez
Onto HAM bands, sure, but to 2.4GHz? "We don't chat there with the PLEEBS, we don't give a fuck. They want their pre-licensed mesh? Let them have it." That's the culture in Australia at least. Born out of making fun of truckies on UHF While the internet's up, yes. After that, by HAM. Thanks, it's been a good thread! I'll jump over now. Problem is if the internet got split in two, and then you've got two parallel blockchains, if the net re-merges then one would nullify the other and all transactions from the other chain would be voided. Blockchains work great when everyone's on one internet or intranet. If shit goes back, that's a different story. Start with net relays and set up HAM relays in parallel. If the net goes down, we can fallback onto HAM.
Yes. I was thinking a USB-C module would be nice, easy way to get it working for everyone with a modern android device. There's no real point setting this up in a way that just gives you a gimped internet till the net goes down, then realising there's no-one around you that has a module. Could be nice as a demo on the homepage to show people what they'll be in for, but not as the finished product. Also, XBee for local link, HAM to link towns/cities. That way most users can stay unlicenced.
How to connect with you? I like developing "alt tech" stuff
Colton Lee
Having the red carrier board in the pic in the OP being USB-C would just make it slightly cooler for some. Possibly done like a Trezor, BYO cable. Just a little pocketable module that you can plug into your laptop/phone with the same cable. While you're just linking people to premade stuff, this is kinda moot, just throw in a link to a USB-A Female to USB-C (male or female) adaptor for phonefriends, but if someone (such as me, I've done PCB design before) made a custom carrier board for the things, no reason not to throw a USB-C port on it. If it's linked to a laptop with a cable rather than just sticking out the side, I think there's less chance of damaging the device. >Was talking with an user in the last thread Speaking of, Hiya! Then it's settled. Constructive criticism or fuck off. Welcome to the purpose of an Ethernet switch, that's what they do. We'd essentially be rebuilding the internet but in place of switches, the ZBee's, and in place of routers, HAM links, and bridges to the internet. To think of it, rather than each Bee connecting to a NetBee to get to the net, if every client program automatically tried connecting to the net first to see if it could get where it wanted, that'd essentially turn every Bee with an internet connection into a NetBee, especially if they automatically let others connect and forward to the net through them. I think it could be far more simple than we're giving it credit for. Have the client application connect to a server hosting a virtual switch, that server linked to other servers, have all the Bee's share the IP's of the servers they know (or have seen) locally so any NetBee can try to connect to all given IP's, then pass that server the other known IP's to see if from it's position it can link up. There was actually a filesharing program I was dreaming up a while back that used a similar system, this'd do fine.
Kayden Evans
Whats wrong with the internet though? Why dont we just encrypt and use a p2p
Jeremiah Garcia
Does 8kun already have a plan for if the net goes down?
Jonathan Cooper
an adaptor would be good, but you could use a usb-c variant on a phone too
Luke Reyes
Dont answer to this, they are trying to figure out who you are. Do not let Them know who you are OP.
Logan Murphy
You could do something with the wifi and blutooth data transfer and networks rather than use a separate device.
Because we suspect the internet may go down in the imminent future, also it's susceptible to government and corporate censorship and control. He's registered a domain, if "they" wanted to find out his details, they could. If it's just some chucklefuck who can't even get passed whoisguard, then there's nothing to worry about.
Jaxson Brown
Lol well im not asking for nefarious reasons but yeah after that other kid got blasted i see your concerns
Jonathan Murphy
Surley you would inject fake data into search engines and then register the whois with no guard and those fake ids to throw them off.
The better way would be to create an offshore entity with nominated directors and conduct business through that
Aaron Rodriguez
Could I make something like this with a pi zero? I'm currently unable to leave my house
Andrew Bailey
>if every client program automatically tried connecting to the net first to see if it could get where it wanted, that'd essentially turn every Bee with an internet connection into a NetBee, especially if they automatically let others connect and forward to the net through them.
This is what I was talking about. It would also take pressure off the limited bandwidth XBee network until shtf.
Christian Brooks
>OP's gonna open source it on April 1st I'll hold on to my cash until then, but it looks promising. I'd love to contribute to something like this as a node/relay. I think it might look pricey to regular users but I'd expect the price to lower once it sees adaption
Michael Morgan
>but I'd expect the price to lower Except production of such already cheap hardware doesn't come from a country devastated by a vir- ..uh..
I'd buy a bunch now from the stocks, as long as ESP8266 and LoRa while they're available and cheap
Camden Morris
This
OP thread carefully man, I wish you Best of luck and will be odering soon.
Ian Davis
True, unless he is using a shell company or fake credentials to own the domain
I Hope he is safe regardless, this Will be huge
Nolan Gray
Would only work on linux phones at the moment though, like purism or pinephone
James Rodriguez
You don't need a Pi for this, just the dongle and plug it into a usb power adapter if you want to make a relay. But you'll need one if you want to send/receive data
Logan Robinson
FYI encrypted radio comes are illegal in the US.
Packet radio has been a grey area because of radio internet traffic.
This will be made illegal too.
... ... not that we shouldn't buy and setup now.
Camden Roberts
>beechat.network/ Extremely expensive. $70. Very short range, 3km is not realistic. Limited usability, outside of dense cities no use at all. Instead get an esp8266 or esp32 for short range, costs $4, and an esp and lora combo for long range, record is 700km, costs $25, open source. Dont buy old tech expensive shit OP is advertising.
Christopher Peterson
This is why I am anonymous and honestly not doing this for militias or anything like that. This is for people that want to communicate with those they care about
Technically it's encrypted radio, but practically and legally it is not. It is like wifi
Luke Perez
100% would buy 2ith USB C and built into a tablet case.
... I fact fuck it im doing that.
Samuel Evans
what about using a chrooted debian on any android ? that should suffice, except for the massive battery drain, which could be fixed by a Y cable + powerbank
>lora Lora is slower than zigbee. And some zigbee modules can reach 40 miles/ 65 km LOS See XTend 900 by Digi
Nathaniel Young
>HAM >HAM >HAM why are you capitalizing it like this? it's not an acronym
Parker Hughes
Come join us at the forum italybro. Some annon also suggested a live distro which is a great idea. The more people are in on this the harder to shut down.
Jaxson Sanders
How you want to inbuilt Butcorns lightning network when this will not have the capacity for everyone to open a lightning Channel. Butcorn is fucked, better use Bitcoin (bsv) and merkle proofs
Angel Harris
>Lora is slower than zigbee. Slower, but extremely reliable and noise-tolerant.
Nathaniel Miller
OP, looking at your parts list, the carriar board you linked is literally just a $2 FTDI, a voltage regulator, and some passives. Sparkfun is easy, but I'll bet you a dollar you can find the same board on Aliexpress for five bucks (ftdi chip being genuine not witstanding) Also, same for the antenna and adaptor. I might oder that shit from sparkfun, then Ali, and compare the results.
It doesn't. XBee modules have up to 40 miles range (at least the lower frequency ones). Not to mention higher bitrate
Cameron James
Thank you. I've been wondering about this myself. My dream is we can eventually make open source XBees that are higher range than those Digi sells, with open source architecture
Gavin Jenkins
if this is true i'll order bucketloads and give it away for free to friends and family and ask them to run nodes in their homes
Nathaniel Turner
Even wifi can reach 270 miles. wired.com/2007/06/w-wifi-record-2/ But look at the antenna. Not practical. Zigbee has the same problem. Lora does it with a stick antenna. Its all a trade off "speed vs range". Ham ofdm can do 1.4kbit from europe to murica (done that, 1kw pep) but needs experts on each side and only works if conditions are right.
Dylan Young
Is it peet 2 peer? What are its weaknesses. Does it use the internet or does this communicate only with each other? Nodes? Are those people? Is everyone a node in the network?
Easton Edwards
Do you have an email I can reach you at? I've been developing an encrypted messenger for a crypto project and would like to pass some ideas with you? Maybe come together with our work and make some great tech for the privacy of people
Aiden Phillips
>after that other kid got blasted Which one was this? I'm not talking about what I'd do, I'm talking about finding out OP's details considering what he already has done. You'd need something to act as the radio, and in this case that's what the zigbee's for. You could plug it in to a regular PC or your pi just fine. It's a great idea, sorry I didn't click to it at first. >pricey You could get the price down to less than $30 if you bought everything in bulk, I'm damn well sure. There's similar hardware available for $5, just with inferior chips. Wouldn't be that hard to get nearly as cheap >ESP8266 and LoRa while they're available and cheap Same. I'm gonna stock up on everything Not sure what your software looks like, but the carrier board is just a standard FTDI serial adaptor, it's easy as hell to get them working on android. You used to need to mess around with rooting and chroot to get linux on android, now you can just install termux on anything. wiki.termux.com/wiki/Termux-usb That's the extent of it. Sending encrypted data of WiFi isn't illegal, this is the same class and licence of device. Godspeed. cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Wireless/Zigbee/XBee-Explorer-Dongle-v23.pdf >what is Hyman-Almy-Murray?
Isaiah Morris
Join the forum
Adrian Bennett
Dude, you have to realese a crypto token with this! You should make the network be designed to support crypto trading. When adoption is picking up release a token based on it. Encrypted crypto trading is the ultimate economic freedom.
So basically have hams simplex? what about id's thats a fuck ton of numbers for multiple users
Jeremiah King
that's neat. Ima get one just to try to talk to random people on it.
though, I have to wonder if people could physically locate me easily through this protocol?
Hunter Johnson
I was thinking Bitcoin Lightning Network since it doesn't need internet. At least not for micropayments but eventually you'd need internet anyways... IF there were some way of using blockchain while offline for transferring value in small networks, that would be great.
Zachary Martinez
I'll help out as I can, I'll have my hardware soon and can start playing around. I would just cobble up a live distro real quick but I'm off grid, I let someone borrow my good hardware who is now sick (not particularly in a rush to get it back due to that), and it is planting season.
I'll check what sorts of range I can get with a yagi antenna, I bet I could get great range out here, especially if 2.4 gets decent penetration of limestone (I cannot recall)
The XBee's themselves will be limited by the cost of a licenced system-on-module, those little PCB's with metal caps you sometimes see directly on other PCB's. Unlike most electronics, here you can't just order all the chips and throw them on one board, because then the whole thing would need to be licensed. As such, you buy a PCB that's a pre-licensed module, and place that on your own PCB. This is why so many designs are double-stacked like pic related. As such, the cheapest an all-in-one module can be is the price of the licensed module, the custom pcb, and all supporting hardware. as such, the most open it can be also goes down to this, you treat the licensed module as a single component and leave it at that. I can find some here for as little as $14 USD, so that's alright glynstore.com/digi-xbee3-programmable-modules/
Unless they try to triangulate you while you are broadcasting a message (keep in mind most messages are smaller than 255 bytes, and XBees transfer that amount of bytes in little over a second) it's pretty much impossible unless you are sending large files over the air.
Angel Sanchez
I see the problem being that the blockchain will need to be able to branch and rejoin, as the networks fragment and join together. I'm not saying it can't be done but the system will need to be super innovative. Blockmesh?
