The failure of the west

The failure of modern western civilization to recognize the system of eternal growth and the materialistic mindset is not compatible. And the attempt to fix this by importing many migrants to give an example the Netherlands needs to import 40.000 people
to stay at the same population level. This means for the Netherlands that in the year 2100 there will be 12 million imports and 8 million native Dutch people.
What will cause problems many problems now i want to ask Yas Forums (the high iq one's) what these problems will be? Let's have a brainstorming session.

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The Netherlands needs to import 40k people a YEAR sorry fixed it.

The 40k a year is only the Netherlands which is a small nation, ad Germany, France Spain Italy and so on we get to a number of 750 thousand a year I read this somewhere which is crazy to me, not only for Europe but also the nations these people get extracted from. The cultural shift will be astronomical and all for me economy?.

It's not fixable because the people who were imported are too dumb. There is a reason why communist China and Russia are technically advanced societies, even if they aren't/weren't perfect a leader in every single field. And there is a reason why Venezuela trades gold for Turkish pasta.

The problem in my mind at least is not to do a step forward (what the ruling elite think is a step forward) but todo a step back.
What I mean by this is not to go more high-tech more automatization, more bigger tv, phones and the like but to take a note from the Amish, back to basics, Steampunk maybe just something to think about. But how to shrink the economy without total chaos, I don't no help me Yas Forums.

all the nations have aging boomer population syndrome except USA, France , and the kiwis

Jes, the productivity level of the different races is connected to the average IQ of the sed groop of people, which is going to be a major problem to come. Do you think the nature-nurture part of this, what I mean is can nurture fix a little of this problem?. (schooling and the like?.)

>Huuuurrrrr we have to maintain the same population levels!

No they don't. The world would be much better without fucking crowds everywhere you go. Think about the environment for one.

I totally agree, let nature take its course. I also believe it has to be done in a controlled manner the drop in housing prices alone will have a ripple effect.

No.

BTW i have no idea how to manage population decline if it is even possible.

I dont see a problem with immigration, Europe has always been the center point for all other races coming together and creating new societies

Dark skins have never been allowed in Europe, for good reason. Do you want cities with niggers stabbing and shooting each other? That's what you will get.

Yes they were, the roman empire had legions of North Africans and some of them were dark skinned, you can see it even in their murals or what documents survived about their ethnic composition.

From European nations Jes, not Africa and the middle east so much. Look racism is a natural aspect of human nature, (something happening in middle China not so important, family member different right, no denying this.) This being understood will this importing of middle easterners and blacks cause crime civil war, Maybe probably?. Will they want to pay for aging Europeans? Western governments seem to think yes I think no.

>From European nations Jes, not Africa and the middle east so much
The roman empire had multiple Syrians as their emperors, they moved entire legions from N Africa into the heart of current day Germany and S part of England.Even my country had legions from the Middle East stationed and given land.
And asian hordes went as far as Paris at the height of the Mongol Empire.
> This being understood will this importing of middle easterners and blacks cause crime civil war,
No they were allowed to come because they were a quick and cheap way to fix the labor shortage and they have a much higher fertility rate meaning in time it wont be needed to get more immigrants since the country itself will be growing naturally.
>Will they want to pay for aging Europeans? Western governments seem to think yes I think no.
They already are working and creating their new societies

>some niggers in Roman legions is just like millions of shiftless niggers running to get the most gibs they can

>And asian hordes went as far as Paris at the height of the Mongol Empire.
actual retard

Western civilization is far too corrupted
It deserve to collapse. Its already happening. What worries me though is that the winner out of this (China) is already even more degenerated.

They are being imported to create conflict with the goy cattle.

Well your statement was that dark skinned people were never in Europe, a factually fake statement.The entire Iberian Peninsula was under African rule for centuries, some of the berber depicted in their occupation are shown as being full black.
No its not I recommend reading where Attila was defeated.

>Netherlands becomes third world shit hole with double digit IQ because of population replacement
>Imported shitskins too dumb to into water management
>Dykes inevitably collapse and the whole place drowns
Knowing that we will have the last laugh makes it somewhat manageable.

The roman empire took its legions, legion 4000 men only(varies a bid in time) back out. And second, we are talking about today.
The fertility rate after the first generation drops off so the natural growth i don't believe. And now for the last part migrants have to pay for now, but when they are the majority and have the power in a democracy?.

dutch people look like that goofy cousin who likes eggnog.

>Attila
>Mongol

You talking to me?.

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>The roman empire took its legions, legion 4000 men only(varies a bid in time) back out
Historical evidence show that african legions in Britannia for example were given land and multiplied with the local populations.Same evidence can be found in my country with Middle Eastern, mostly from current day Israel and Palestine, soldiers given land and started families with the conquered.
>And second, we are talking about today.
Well in order to understand the situation at hand you need to look at history.At no point in time in Europe has there ever not been africans or asians.
>The fertility rate after the first generation drops off so the natural growth i don't believe. And now for the last part migrants have to pay for now, but when they are the majority and have the power in a democracy?.
Their fertility is still higher than the local population and in time with the change of ethnic composition and culture it will rise much higher. And as for democracy well its an unsustainable form of government once oligarch groups appear and make change impossible.So what we have today in fact, which is a mock form of democracy where change is never a possibility.

>The entire Iberian Peninsula was under African rule for centuries

african !=negroid. North Africans are considered caucasian.

Yes very caucasian indeed

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The definition of caucasian

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That is not correct the number of Asians and African and middle easterners was so low it is not even worth mentioning and for the culture what culture if you have negro's middle easterners and Asians?. I don't see this having a happy ending.

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A new culture will be form as the populations homogenize as a result of coexistence.In time a new ethnic people will appear and start a new civilization.

>denken dat dit gefikst gaat worden
Het wordt alleen maar erger, Klaas.

Why are you ok with the destruction of the Dutch culture or France, German and so on, you seem like a global leftist with murderous intent.
And what makes you believe this will be an improvement I have not seen an African, Midleeastern or Asian culture that can even rival Western Europe.

Yes the arab slave trade happened.

>Why are you ok with the destruction of the Dutch culture or France, German and so on, you seem like a global leftist with murderous intent.
Because it is inevitable and because you a former colonial power did the same thing to the conquered nations.
>And what makes you believe this will be an improvement I have not seen an African, Middle Eastern or Asian culture that can even rival Western Europe.
Well then I recommend reading how China has influenced the world, or how mathematics and cryptography came from the Middle East.Because you are focused on your own culture it does not mean that other societies were not great at some point.

What has it to do with colonialism?. You mean the VOC Eastindiacompany setting up trade. This was a company, not the Dutch government. And why is it inevitable we can change our structure and economy, what is this trait about.

nature-nurture
Is a false dichotomy

Explain?.

>What has it to do with colonialism?
It has everything to do with it, Europeans have exhausted themselves in these expansions and inflicted into foreign people the same wrongs that are being inflicted upon them.
> And why is it inevitable we can change our structure and economy, what is this trait about.
Because your society since colonial times was set up to have excess of resources with increase of production and populations.Its impossible to change something you have built for centuries.Eventually the current system will prove to be incapable of sustaining itself and will collapse on its own.At the end of the crisis it will be shown that government intervention in the economy will be necessary to assure sustainability.

>chinks and sandniggers contributed to the advancement of the world in any significant way
lmao when will this stale meme die

I fully agree with you. This is why I don't live in a big city.

Capitalism leads to concentration of means of production, it makes the economy more centralized and dependent on corporations.

In the West capitalists sold means of production to cheaper countries, thus they depressed provinces. As a result people started to flock to big cities.

This is how the NPC was born. To make up for loss of income from industry, governments and banks started pouring debt into the economy, inflating service economy of big cities, creating bugmen lifestyle, creating big clusters of degenerate population.

Once the debt inflated economy goes bust, the West is dead. This is why I am angry, whenever I see Americretins defending degenerate capitalism.

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You, and people like you always point to something people did long ago and people today need to suffer, which is crazy because history is longer than the last few hundred years. So the muslims have to suffer for taking European slaves, The African tribes should suffer for capturing other Africans and selling them middle easterners have to suffer for the arab slave trade barbary pirates,ffs you can go on and on till the dawn of time. This is a lefty's brain fart.

Your mom's bedroom has always been the center point for all other races coming together and creating new societies

Both nature and nurture influence the success of a person. Nurture is more a mental thing though, material nurture (marxism) doesn't lead anywhere

Yes they do and they are as we speak, their countries have been invaded by Western nations and countries kept under their occupations.Even recently their countries were invaded or government coups via terrorist sponsorship, UK invented wahabism after all, was used. Just because today your country and people are on the receiving end, for some reason you dont like it and cry the end of the world because of it.
If by mom you mean my country then I agree with your statement.This land has been conquered and ethnically replaced/mixed so many times that we have lost count.

I am not that afraid of China to be honest, they have the same problem as the west, aging populace probably even bigger the one-child rule comes to mind.

I agree marxism is not the answer, Giving a group of people the power to decide what you and i need is a recipe for failure ad best, and disastrous ad worst

as soon as the gibs stop, the brown people dissapear.

Americans don't know problems of overpopulation.
Population density of America is 1/10 of Japan.
Japanese don't care with the decreasing of population.

I know population density of Netherlands is higher than Japan.
But 2/3 of Japan is mountains.

you wish.
they'll just shoot at you with their illegal guns and take your shit
what'cha goona do?

no country needs migrants
banks need migrants because of fractional reserve banking, debt and inflation

Japan is not going the Western road, how are they coping whit the population decline?.

What the hell is this thread about?

>The failure of modern western civilization to recognize the system of eternal growth and the materialistic mindset is not compatible
And how do we fix this, i don't want to live in a hybrid African middle eastern nation.

Is that Staphorst?

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It will be countryside vs big cities, if whites get supressed they will get more babies hopefully

Everyone knows the solution for this. Stop being a fag.

We need to change the system first, eternal growth can't be sustained we are a small country sooner or later we are going bust, i rather fix the problem now than when we are no longer a Dutch nation, but only the Netherlands in a name.

yes, it's the clothing of Staphorst.

Listen you flamming faggot. Eternal growth can happen just not with garbage shit. GET RID OF THE FUCKING PROBLEM YOU FUCKING WAFFLE!!

I fully agree with this guy. The only moral act is total genocide else it will justifiably come back to bite you in the ass.

Nigger. We just need to close the fucking borders. That's it.
Every year we have a net birth of 1500 Dutchies and import 100K niggers. Those numbers do not match, we need no migration for the next 50 years and then maybe 10% of the net birth rate, so 150 niggers, not fucking 100000.
But our government consists solely of traitors. Just like our judges and police commissars who are all traitors to this beautiful nation.

and 50M more men than women