Time is pretty short. Whether the virus gets us or just age, it has to end eventually

Because eternal is something you and other scum like you made up to corrupt a man, make him subservient to you

>y. I've done all kinds of things to "get saved" and also been told that I can't do anything to be saved and it has to be the sovereign grace of god and I'm basically helpless.
So, basically, you're just confused?

>Who is "Christ"?

Jesus of Nazareth of the descendant line of David through His earthly mother. "Christ" itself referring to the specific role of redeemer.

>What is "salvation"?

The forgiveness of sins and relinquishment of eternal judgement by accepting Jesus and thus being credited with His righteousness via His sacrifice.

>How do I "give my life to Christ"?

By accepting that sacrifice and living from that point. Being faithful to Him.

>What is "sin"?

Transgression against the Law of God, which defies the intent of our creation.

>>inb4 cryptic passages taken out of the bible I've already read before are quoted at me that don't make any of this clear at all

I've told you plainly

>implying you make people subservient to man by telling them to only be loyal to God and not officials of the government or the church

The eternal is not made up but the thing about the eternal is that we're in it right now by definition. The eternal is, always will be, and always has been. The idea you can inherit eternal life is nonsense. You either are eternal to begin with or not. Even the Bible says his elect were chosen before the foundation of the world (in eternity), confirming exactly what I'm saying, which is you're either eternal or you're not. I think if you're not an NPC and have an actual awareness/sentience in you, then that must be proof you're already saved. I'd like to hear OP's proof for salvation. "How do you know you are saved"?

If all I am saying is true, we may as well focus on purging jews, god's already got our salvation worked out.

Because the bible was written by men and not God. Jesus also chose a convenient place to tell the world "the truth". If I'm going to worship anything it is my people and my group, I will give my life for them because God is in them and as a part of me. That's my god, simple, straightforward. It's my community.

I don't trust any God that plays favourites.

>"How do you know you are saved"?
1. You've accepted Jesus' sacrifice and continue to accept it, acknowledging your sinfulness
2. Your life justifies that by exhibiting change in attitudes and actions to a more goldy way

And follow the book written and rewritten countless times by men of ruling class

>Because the bible was written by men and not God
Well, written by both via divine inspiration.

>Jesus also chose a convenient place to tell the world "the truth"

Jerusalem was a cultural hub where a message could spread widely easily.

It was literally convenient.

>And follow the book written and rewritten countless times by men of ruling class
>"What are the dead seas scrolls and second copy texts?"

Because the Biblical Jesus called all non-Jews "dogs."

I think I already have.

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The farmer spreads his fertilizer on the field, not in the barn and in the house where it's more convenient for him.

Where two or three gather in the name of God. There is God also. Your life will be whatever you co create it to be.

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>Because the Biblical Jesus called all non-Jews "dogs."
Nonbelievers, not non-Jews.

Woof

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>Jesus of Nazareth of the descendant line of David through His earthly mother.

So a random dude that lived 2020 years ago.

> "Christ" itself referring to the specific role of redeemer.

No it means the anointed one. Also Jesus/Yeshua means the savior.

>The forgiveness of sins and relinquishment of eternal judgement by accepting Jesus and thus being credited with His righteousness via His sacrifice.

Relinquishment of infinite judgement would make sense. Relinquishment of "eternal judgement" does not.

You also need to define what sin is.

Also I have to ask you what is "His Righteousness" and "His sacrifice"? How does a man dying on a cross mean anything? At best it's a symbolism for something that happened in eternity.

>By accepting that sacrifice and living from that point. Being faithful to Him.

How do I accept him? How can I be faithful to him? Besides God is the vine; he is faith, he is all those things which I can only abide in.

>Transgression against the Law of God, which defies the intent of our creation.

No it's our nature. We're mortals. When America said all men are born equal they never meant equal in ability, in race, or any worldly aspect. Just that we're all nothing before God, that we are all mortals destined to destruction. We fall short of perfection in all our ways.

>I've told you plainly

Now what is the evidence of your salvation? How do you be sure of it?

Have you accepted His sacrifice for the forgiveness of your sins and continue to accept it?

Christ can fuck off. He had a life, why does he need mine too?

Nice world salad there m8, all I know is that jesus loves everyone, so no matter what you do in life,so there really is no point in believing or going to church, because jesus loves everyone kek

No, it was non-Jews.

>22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

>23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

>25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Enjoy your self-hatred.

>1. You've accepted Jesus' sacrifice and continue to accept it, acknowledging your sinfulness

I am mortal, temporal, have no merit in myself, live by the grace of god, etc.

If I have to "continue to accept it" what then is my hope in God when something like dementia sets in? How can God save me when I am failing and corruptible flesh?

>2. Your life justifies that by exhibiting change in attitudes and actions to a more goldy way

What if I was cursed to be godly from the start, a perfect child, who only become corrupted later in life by the sheer weight of the world that I hate?

Probably.

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I did.
WHat next?
There's nothing to do next.
I'm just left with the narrative of the Gospels and the rest of the texts.. and that's all.
Churches are corrupt, evil, backwards - fundamentalism is anti intellectual and hurting everything around it to the point I'm surprised they don't realize it..

>I don't trust any God that plays favourites.

The world is proof that god plays favorites. Make f it what you will but you have to accept that the manifestation around you is full of favoritism.

>all I know is that jesus loves everyone
"The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence. "

It should be noted that "hate" is more akin to being against than bitterness

It's funny that you stopped right there rather than posting the following verses. I wonder why...

I like how Hinduism at least the gods continually come back and give their message over and over. Christianity seems to largely deny that although the Bible talks about the holy spirit teaching truth to all even those who don't have a bible and don't know a thing about the Middle East.

>I did.
>WHat next?
Get out there and spread the word to save others before the end. Don't let your faith be idle

I didn't think they would make a difference. I still don't. You're free to post them, though. It still doesn't change the fact that Jesus himself said that he didn't come for you.

Something I have about Christianity is they're always waiting for Christ to come back like Revelations speaks about an event in linear time. If they just interpreted it as an event that happens in the lives of all believers they might not be waiting for Christ to return and instead see he is with us always.

Hate yourself. That's Jesus' message.

>even those who don't have a bible and don't know a thing about the Middle East.
>Ignoring middle eastern converts who said God spoke to them

if a loving god was real then our existence would be far different. the church accepts gays.

>Why haven't you given your life to Christ for the salvation from your sins?
Because I haven't met with that "Christ", and he didn't tell me I have sins that require atonement in that manner.

i never understood why people argue about religion
god is, by the literal definitions we use to describe him, beyond discussion. his existence/nature transcends anything any human could ever understand or experience in his life. the idea that someone can come to “know god” (a completely fucking laughable idea if you stop and think for 5 seconds) via the mere study of literary works created by HUMANS is a joke at best and a cognitohazardous scheme devised by schizo jews at worst.
the only logical way to spread a religion is by the sword of those who are so delusionally faithful that, by any measurable standard by an outside observer, they really must be directly tuned into an incomprehensible deity. but i dont see any of you pussy ass faggots racking up a body count in the name of jesus

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Your upvotes can't save your narrative

DESERT MANUAL SAYS GAY BAD
YOU ARE WEARING A FEDORA AND FOLLOW A DIFFERENT DESERT MANUAL

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It's not loving to let people do whatever they want.

>and he didn't tell me I have sins that require atonement in that manner.

What do you think this is right now? Who do you think is motivating me to be here reaching out to you? That time is now.

It's not word salad faggot. It's platonic philosophy and it's logical. If you need clarification I will provide it.

>so there really is no point in believing or going to church

Believing might bring calm, a sense of certainty, and a clear direction for one's life. It would displace uncertainty, chaos, and confusion. That's all reasons to believe.

Going to church gives you fellowship; people who care about ultimate questions, who want to know what the truth and the way and the life is, who will be your friends and share food and so on. Lots of reasons to go to church. Think of it as the present day equivalent of a the temples of old Greece where the philosophers came together. Of course if you find the church you visited does not offer any of these things, keep searching and visit a new church every chance you get, until you find one that has people who are actually well versed in the word and not dumb.

>"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
WHO SAID THIS? Was it Jesus? Or someone else? The verses I quoted were from Matthew 15.

>I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

This doesn't mean Jews.

>dead sea scrolls
Ancient text written in hebrew, I wonder who could be behind it...

Even ignoring the fact that its in hebrew, religious text from 2000 years ago has 0 value

>>Ignoring middle eastern converts who said God spoke to them

What?

Given that all scripture is divinely inspired- God.

Simple, huh.

I like how you don't care soooooo much about God that you feel forced to argue here. I'm just trying to help people get saved.

I'm not in the "house of Israel," so why should I care? Are you?

>ooga booga
Go after some real sinners, champ.

So, if Saint Peter was speaking for God, why did he contradict Jesus, who was also speaking for God? That doesn't make much sense.

>Ancient text written in hebrew, I wonder who could be behind it...
"Who could have written these Jewish texts?"

You should be a detective! How could you have such insight?!

I am. All who believe are Israel.

I acutally agree with this fully and I'm deeply immersed in theology and as things become more clear they also become more confused, so I find. I understand very much; and yet all the pieces of the puzzle are so many and my brainlet mind so limited that I can't see the fullness of God.

About this first part: I quite understand what you're talking, user. When after you have done everything that is said to do in order to be saved, "nothing really happens". Everything can be boiled down to this "nothing happens" because, yeah, it's true.

However, that's what people fail to note as it is the most important part of your, mine and everyone else's salvation. It's our endurance, it's having faith till the time comes. This here is real world. This not fiction, this no fucking movie where some random whereas he finally finds Jesus and not only his spiritual life improves drastically but also his regular day to day life as a person inside a society. You cut to other people being nice to him, he's got luck on everything he does and shit.

Here in the real world, however, you can accept Jesus as your lord and saviour but nothing really happens afterwards –you see, not in the in fictionalized sense, your soul has been guarded in Heaven tho. And it is boring, you can be like it's be a whole year since I accepted Jesus but my hasn't change a bit, if anything it just got worse. But this exactly our test here on earth, it's this faith that we must keep during the worst and excruciatingly boring moments of our life that will eventually lead us to Heaven.

I got this exact same feeling you are describing. I'm young and got my whole life ahead of me, and I'm already doubting if it's worth to still have faith despite the fact that "nothing happens" but it is in these moments of second thoughts that I tell myself that I must keep going strong. Never let go of that faith, because it is the only link that connects me to Jesus Christ.

>why did he contradict Jesus, who was also speaking for God? That doesn't make much sense.
He didn't Wow, that was easy.

Bro you have to understand stoicism, platonism, and other greek philosophies to even be able to begin the to understand the language of the Bible. That word does not mean what the shifty jews have made us to think it means now. Most people lack the historical context to understand anything now, they only understand things according to the narrative crafted since World War II.

dead jew on the stick cult fuck off

>I am. All who believe are Israel.
I guess if you want it to be that way, but that clearly isn't the way Jesus meant it. He simply helped the Canaanite woman so she would stop pestering his Disciples. It's pretty clear from the quoted verses.
Maybe Jesus is the one fucking with the Capcha

>I'm not in the "house of Israel," so why should I care? Are you?
Reminder that the Jewish God is much more rational and non-psychopathic than the Christian God

>Does not punish everyone forever for no reason, just long enough to atone for sins and learn from mistakes. May or may not dematerialize graver sinners

>Does not require to worship and glorify himself like a THOT. Will consider you a virtuous man and give you utopia if you weren't a dick in life.

>Does not have a convoluted Fanfic scenario of sacrificing himself to himself to save a soul from himself for the sin the soul had before it even born. Only concerned with the virtues currently presenting in a soul.

Bible literally said it.

Try learning something and come back when you have any intellectual integrity at all.

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Christianity, however, claims that they are the same God, a triune God. So Jesus is God and God is Jesus. All the slaying of innocent women and children in the OT is Jesus as well.

Saul of Tarsus gave you a religion of self-hatred. It was one that you weren't intended to have.

I used to tolerate cultural christians but I was just lying to myself, true believers and those who pretend will lead one nowhere, their community may seem nice but once I was actually there I realized I am among stupid people, people who are lying to themselves and to others, low quality people, a waste of space.
Belief is for dumb people, logic and reason is where its at, logic and reason will not just displace uncertainty, chaos and confusion but also will also lead one into order, calmness and understanding.