We have the stupidest people in America folks, don’t we?

The economy is already destroyed. Going back to work now will change nothing.

He's unironically correct. Anyone that disagrees is a NEET or a nigger (what's the difference). If people just don't work, the entire supply chain breaks down and a flu that would have killed thousands at most ends up killing millions because of famine. Shocking how many people on this board can't do "and then what?" analysis like this. "Everyone stays home, and then we all avoid the flu... And then what?"

There are too many restaurants anyway. People need to learn how to cook again

People think groceries just appear of shelfs because there were always groceries on shelfs for the past 100 years

conservatives are scum, dollars are the only thing they defend

>GET BACK TO WORK WAGIE

>Horseshit and disinfo

Thank you my Israeli friend

Supply chain is considered necessary.
Shutting down everything else to control spread makes those working supply chain safer and protects the supply chain more than having a bunch of useless service jobs running around coughing on each other.

And how to be clean. This will probably create a permanent influx in hygiene for younger generations. Parents forcing them to wash hands and such. And on Nickelodeon there’s like 5 versions of wash your hands commercials featuring like sponge bob washing his hands from the krusty krab training video pretty good

I will go to work everyday because If I do not, Israel will not get the aide they need and God will punish us because "God blesses those who help Israel." Numbers 24:9

They’re right. Economy is paramount, it is the engine that powers everything. China has rapidly developed since 1978, why? They had the same people and natural resources under mao but it was deng xiaoping who opened up markets and instituted western market reform (aka capitalism) to grant them their meteoric growth. He modeled it off of Singapore, the only country in world history to go from third to first in one generation and to do it with such elegance and virtually no bloodshed. Many in America have forgotten the sacrifice necessary, we have grown complacent. Lay People are talking about fair wages, conscience, philosophy. They talk passionately and confidently about everything except their jobs. Liberals should welcome this, it’s global equity; those chinese and Indians outwork and outperform the lower strata of the American workforce by a country mile, why shouldn’t they see their plights rise at the expense of our useless labor?

For all the hatred against Jews on this board, they work hard and get things done. If half of you were so industrious, you’d have more to live for

>He's unironically correct. Anyone that disagrees is a NEET or a nigger (what's the difference).

Yup. The really funny thing about both NEETs and niggers - neither of whom ever does anything because it's "too hard" - is that they think that the things everyone ELSE does are super easy.

>U guiz can just completely stop a multi-trillion dollar economy and then start it up later to send me more tendies! You are pretending that it's hard to do because you just HATE PEOPLE and you VALUE MONEY MORE THAN LIFES!!!!!!

this disgusting veneration of the economy like it is the be-all and end-all of every civil and social dispute and need

Nobody is arguing to destroy the economy or trying to do so. The whole point is to TEMPORARILY shut down UNNECESSARY, LUXURY parts of the economy to control the spread and prevent even PERMANENT damage to the economy as a whole.

>Worshipping mammon

These materialist fags need to be put down.

Go watch some TV and eat a Big Mac boomer faggot

>Supply chain is considered necessary.

Communism always fails precisely because planners don't actually know what is "necessary" to the economy and what is not.

The information problem to figure that out is NP hard and can never be solved. Anyone who says they can solve it is a garden variety Dunning-Kruger retard.

Data, please

The retarded presumption being made here is that it's a choice between the economy or public health.

It's not.

The economy cannot and will not go back to normal while the coronavirus is still around. You might get another two weeks of movie theatre ticket sales but once the corpses start piling up in earnest people will start social distancing by themselves. This happens all the time in every pandemic. If the government doesn't shut it down, people will shut it down anyway because they're not fucking morons. Workers won't go to work, parents will take their kids out of school, businesses will close.

Solving the public health problem solves the economic problem. Not solving the public health problem only makes the economic problem worse, because more people will die.

I don't understand how people can be so fucking dense and shortsighted. But that's okay. The more dense and shortsighted they are, the more likely it is that they will kill themselves through their own stupidity.

just look in the mirror

I bet when the EU announces the “public health crisis of racism” must be combatted by a true, codified two tier legal system, white people will fall over backwards trying to shame people that don’t want to fall in line

Kill yourself you pathetic fucking clown

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A service economy is a luxury economy jackass.

Are you surprised? America has been run by the big companies for decades now, all they fucking care about is money. More jewish than jews, they deserve to be lined up against a wall (in minecraft).

You say this in the middle of a shortage of:
toilet paper
masks
scrubs
ventelators

There is no information problem on anything actually necessary. It exists only for pure commodities.

There are people that believe this shit

No thanks you obese cucked boomer faggot

This. If the economy collapses we will all instantly be out and working again anyway, working to shoot each other over scraps.

We already did this in most places, Wang. Most states still have several counties under stay at home orders, curfews, etc. Also in this case the president doesn't have much power at all to enforce much of anything. The individual states and local levels are the ones making the decisions for the most part. CEOs too. So even if Trump says he wants everyone back at work this Monday, it wouldn't matter because mayor's, governors, corporate boards etc are the ones that told people to stay home in the first place.

Fuck the economy. It is nothing but an engine of decadence.

OK, quick question then:

Are we maintaining the lockdown until there are no cases anywhere in the world, and until we are sure the virus has no reserve point?

Because we have no reason to believe that either of those states of affairs will ever come to pass. We don't even know if we will ever have a working vaccine.

Since we can't know those things, that means that everyone who is going to get this virus is eventually going to get it. Period. The chance to have that not happen died two months ago.

The *best* we can achieve at this point is so-called "flattening the curve". But how do we know when the curve is flattened?

And right now the public is being led to believe that we are shutting down until the virus disappears. That is a very dangerous, and potentially catastrophic, thing to allow the public to believe.

So let me get this straight, they were all for Yang giving everyone one thousand dorra, but when Trump gives people 1.2k they sperg out?

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destroy the economy and starve to death or get murdered by looting niggers instead.

I don’t give a fuck

Sacrifice the economy for the sake of the people. I want the Jewish bankers to suffer. The Great Depression wiped out the hedonism and degeneracy of the 1920’s. I want that to happen again

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_culture

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No my faggot, why does your eye not fall on the politicians who have allowed them the power to do such? The PACs that have funded them to do such, and the invisible hand that funds the PAC in complete anonymity.
But you are a tool molded against the company.
You blame the child for it’s natural course of action while absolving the negligent parent.

Lmao NEET detected. What a gayboi. You should undoubtedly kill yourself.

OH NONONONNONONO NOT THE HECCIN ECONOMUNDO!!!! THE GOYIM ABSOLUTELY MUST CONTINUE TO WAGESLAVE!!

Enjoy capitalism

My answers to those questions don't matter. They are technical questions that are best answered by the medical institutions that your government should be relying on for advice.

Enjoy africa

NOOOOOOOO STOOP WORKING YOU FUCKING AMERILARDSSSS
WE SHUT OUR ECONOMIES DOWN, YOUR GETTING AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>"shutting everything else down"
>freight rates go up because now everything is priced in as round-up (I.e. no more backhauls from the widget factory, since they're "non-essential" )
>your food is now a lot more expensive

You commie niggers have no clue what all goes in to getting a single watermelon to a super market. You have no idea the downstream effect of closing down "non-essential" industries. This can't go on much longer without increased food costs and/or shortages.

Wtf are you talking about amerimutt. You have way more Africans in your country than I have in mine.

if the machine breaks down , we break down

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Interesting post, you seem to have a good understanding of Chinese politics/economy. It's no secret that China has been forecast to become the #1 economy for some time; now it is becoming increasingly clear it's about to happen. Is there anything you recommend I can watch/read, particularly regarding Deng Xiaoping's leadership?

They'd want you to go to work even if nukes were going off. Ayn Randian faggots literally worship the almighty dollar. "The Free Market will fix it" is their version of inshallah.

Sure like that source.

>You say this in the middle of a shortage of:
>toilet paper
>masks
>scrubs
>ventelators
>There is no information problem on anything actually necessary.

Every bit of empirical evidence we have says the opposite. As does math.

In order to successfully plan the American economy enough to know what is "necessary" and what isn't, you would have to first gather and then evaluate complete information about the requirements and capabilities of 300 million Americans and hundreds of thousands of firms. And then you would have to *act* on that information before it changed - and it can literally change from moment to moment. It simply can't be done. We have trouble using supercomputers to solve the traveling salesman problem (as just an example) for *one system participant* at a time, let alone for 300 million people traversing an infinite number of possible paths simultaneously.

Your hubris, and your absolute contempt for everyone but yourself, tells you that you don't even have to try to contrive a valid solution because you'll just violently impose an arbitrary one that you pull out of your ass. That makes you incredibly dangerous.

You will know

Ahem

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>reeeee I lost billions in stocks
>still has money then some
Go back to work greg.

Ok nigger

I'm a stupid person reporting in here. How exactly is shutting down half the population's livelihoods NOT a problem? If you could just keep everyone in the country living comfortably without needing any sort of labor to be done in exchange for money then why do we even have businesses and workforces?

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Nigga there ain’t even a confirmed case within 2 counties of me and you can’t even sit in at the McDonald’s™ to eat. You have to take your burgers and leave. Its bullshit. I hate eating in the car getting salt and wrappers and sesame seeds and shit everywhere.

Then you admit that everything you just spewed about "solving the public health problem first" was meaningless retard garbage. because you're utterly unwilling to state what the fucking public health problem ACTUALLY IS.

Is the "public health problem" solved when the virus is utterly gone, or is it solved by some state of affairs short of that? If you refuse to answer that question you can't possibly have any valid opinion on what steps we need to take or continue to take.

So it only takes 3 days to kill you from healthy to dead?

Aww so sad

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> Invading Iraq for the Jews doesn't count, goyim!

>The information problem to figure that out is NP hard and can never be solved
rofl, a popsci brainlet using formal cs terms to look smart.
np hard problems are solvable, even by computers, you complete and utter brainlet. many are hard to solve in the worst case, but easy to approximate or even easy on average.
there are problems which are undecidable by computers, but limiting yourself to some sufficiently restricted problem class will still allow you to decide them with a computer.
besides, the class of problems about which you can prove things (i.e. not with computation) is an even different class of problems. your "information problem" is not a formal language either.

Based as fuck. Bring on the collapse. I want to see banker kike bodies line the streets of New York.

Ok joomer.

solid post user

Turn off the proxy yuropoor. The right to eat burgers shall not be infringed.

Only Yas Forumstards parroting the Clown Emperor think there is no problem.

I'm sitting in my house, playing scrabble with my wife. Just had a video call with my mom and dad. Before that, had another video call with my friends. I'm reading books, learning Russian so I can one day read Doestovsky. The sky around me has never been clearer. There are birds around me I had never even heard before.

This is what they want to take away from you

Holy shit Yas Forums has turned to garbage. China locked down 1/3 of their country and raped their economy to contain the virus. They just shut all cinemas, after announcing life’s back to normal now, most likely because the virus is basically uncontainable if urbanised life goes along as normal. Why are all these trumpniggers coming out to the woodwork? Is it because it’s election year and Trumps basically loosing his grip? Fuck your nigger worship of unrestrained capitalism, you fucking republican tier neocon fag.

>Then you admit that everything you just spewed about "solving the public health problem first" was meaningless retard garbage.
No.

>you're utterly unwilling to state what the fucking public health problem ACTUALLY IS.
The public health problem is the current novel coronavirus pandemic.

>Is the "public health problem" solved when the virus is utterly gone, or is it solved by some state of affairs short of that?
The public health problem is solved when we've achieved the best possible mitigation of the effects of the public health problem.

>"HURR DURR THEN THAT MEANS WE SHOULD SHUT DOWN THE ECONOMY FOREVER LOL YOU'RE SUCH A RETARD"
No. Stop. If you persist with this nonsense I will just filter you.

There is a balance between doing everything and doing nothing, and that's NOT what this discussion is about. I've never said we should do everything. I've only said that doing nothing is worse for the economy than doing something - i.e. that it's not a choice between doing nothing but having a good economy and doing something and having a bad economy, but that doing nothing is bad for the public health problem AND bad for the economy.

This will be my last attempt to communicate that to you. If there is no increase in the quality of your posts and arguments from this point on I will also just filter you.

if it had even a 5-10% death rate and was killing young people at a higher incidence, he wouldn't be saying this.

ad-homonym

Hey, if Yas Forumstards and trump supporters want to die wageslaving for the same shekel profits of the very Jews they claim to hate I’m all for it.

Just stay far the fuck away from proper society and all of the healthcare professionals, scientists, and other intellectuals that are inherent to it. You people need to be contained from the gene pool and die from muh hoard immunity because you incels are anti-vax and insist wageslaving in the moment is more important than mitigating a pandemic so a functioning economy may actually exist, powered by people who aren’t actively dying or incapacitated or constantly grieving.

The economy is not king. Children are.
Children are the future. There is no economy without the people to raise them. There is no future without the people to teach them the past.

you are a dumb nigger.

I really hope Trump fucks all of you in the ass, and USA becomes #1 in COVID deaths. I hope the country is "opened up" by Easter, and there are stacks of dead bodies in the landfills.

You will remember me when you learn

No one intends to shut down forever, it's better to take an economic hit while reducing the number of infected than having a huge number of infected and an economic collapse as a result, it's not rocket science.

Donald Trump wants to have business resume though. I'm asking what the logic is behind OP's view that you somehow don't need to care about people working and making money. How is that supposed to work?

Because Trump is the largest cult of personality since Hitler.

Put Taras Bulba on your reading list if you're serious. Of course you could just read it in English.

> people go to work and spread illness

> people stay at home anyway not working and now need medical care increasing burden on system

that's how

First world problems ah faggot?

Jesse Kelly blocked me on twitter after I pointed out the fact his father's construction company makes millions off government contracts through the use of illegal alien labor.

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the funny thing is the people who are saying to return to work are the ones who do very little work and have a fortune they built on the backs of others. People talk about oligarchs in russia but at least they aren't under any pretense there. I wonder why there are so many more greedy sociopaths in the US than other countries.

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Most people infected are asymptomatic.

It's called tightening your fucking belt and having to go without a few luxuries for a while, you disgusting fat pig. maybe you'll lose a few pounds & extend your life expectancy

Sauce?

Because America has lost its way, and is one of the most inequitable societies on earth. People worship fiat, and grovel at the feet of billionaires like slaves

>go without a few luxuries for a while
How would going without luxuries keep an economy functioning without half the workforce? Why do you think this is just some optional thing people do for fun to earn money? It's life or death.

>billionaires want people back to work
not neceassily
many companies are furloughing workers because there is no demand. Lots of people would love to go back to work and get a paycheck.

It's the constant fear of slipping through the giant cracks in our system that keep america the most productive country in the world. our carrot on the stick is retirement and our whip is boot of finance that constantly steps on us and steals our productivity so they can live off of it. a toxic parasitic state of affairs.

In some places around the ghetto areas McDonald's is the only food source, all the grocery stores closed due to constant theft. If McDonald's doesn't open back up, the hood rats aren't going to have anywhere to get food.

Jersey fag here. By NY and NJ shutting down, it gave everyone the opportunity to flood the jersey shore. I have never seen it so busy here in March. We’ve got summer crowds even on rainy days now. Nobody is working and everyone is heading down to the shore. This shutdown is not stopping the spread of the virus any more than a serious education campaign would. People need to learn to keep their distance.

>Going back to work now will change nothing.
It will boost the economies in the immediate surroundings of the workers that are working. Who gives a fuck about the (((stock market))).

By printing money goy, it can’t go like this forever but the (((powers that be))) are desperately hoping it will work for a while until this blows over. What’s actually happening is people are getting cabin fever, Jack Nicholson in “The Shining” style. it will be glorious. I hope we don’t let this crisis “go to waste”.

It's an issue of priorities. The US economy is based largely on overpriced services. For instance, the people mowing the lawn at this apartment complex shouldn't be working right now (they aren't), nor should the psychic lady, the Fish and Chips bar down the street, the Statefarm Insurance - none of these people should be working.
On the other hand, the people at the power company not only need to be working, they need to be kept safe from infection.
That means public health > GDP (which is largely fake anyway).

I'm using the computer science term to communicate on a general interest board in the most succinct way possible.

The US economy is a 300 million node graph problem with no edge constraints. no direction requirement, and the ability for paths to loop. Good luck using heuristics to come up with an "approximate" answer for that. Especially when the problem resets every moment. It's not a perfect analogue of the traveling salesman problem, but it's fucking close enough for Yas Forums.

For the long answer you can feel free to read Hayek's The Use of Knowledge in Society.

it makes more sense to supply everyone with anti-viral gear and keep people working/consuming than to force people to stay home.
anti viral gear is rather cheap to produce. a mask and face shield and gloves and sanitizer.

forgetting about the already proven cases of people "feeling fine" or "recovered" dying out of nowhere weeks later

>ad hominem
>You people
>Yas Forums is one person
Go drink bleach

What is the "economy" you speak of? Think about it carefully before you open your stupid mouth.

>Most of the US is still working normally
Zero traffic at rush hour

>Who gives a fuck about the (((stock market))).
literally every adult 18+ you fucking idiot. everyone's retirement plan is in the stock market

Everyone with envious positions in society like this 200k a year media personality/reporter have rational fears that the underclass will stop slaving away for them eventually.

But hey, that McDonald's is still providing a service. Imagine if literally everything was forced to shut down. How many people would be out of work. How many bills wouldn't be paid. How that would cause a ripple effect and create a major crisis.

Source

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>On the other hand, the people at the power company not only need to be working, they need to be kept safe from infection.
See, I think that's getting to the core issue here. We have millions of people who were working jobs that aren't considered essential and way too few people working the jobs that are getting overwhelmed with demand. If there needs to be any major government intervention I think it should be to get everyone working legitimate jobs that are producing and maintaining our nation's resources instead of just selling each other bullshit.

>We have the stupidest people in America folks, don’t we?

No actually Italy has the dumbest people

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I would 100% butcher the economy for the sake of large societal change. If you wouldn't kill the economy for your ideals, you aren't a man.

>The public health problem is solved when we've achieved the best possible mitigation of the effects of the public health problem

Please filter me because this fucking tautology non-answer reveals that you're an intellectually dishonest piece of fucking shit.

You refuse to declare what you think the public health goal here is because you know that if you do you'll either look fucking stupid ("I think we need to do this until the virus totally disappears") or you'll open yourself up to a counterargument that the economy shouldn't be indefinitely shut down.

And you're totally conscious of this, also. The way you're studiously refusing to actually answer the most fundamental question makes it clear that you have anticipated what I will say if and when you answer it.

so what you dumb cunt. did you think the stock market was "risk free" ?

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